Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Mahrou Ahmadi

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The result was delete‎. Justlettersandnumbers (talk) 20:55, 20 May 2023 (UTC)

Mahrou Ahmadi

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This is a borderline WP:BLP1E violation but at best a non-notable one time pageant winner. As an alternative to deletion, article could be redirected to one of the pageant pages, probably Miss Earth 2022 (note Miss Iran 2022 is [still] a redlink and itself presumed non-notable). ☆ Bri (talk) 19:57, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Women, Fashion, Beauty pageants, Iran, and Turkey. Spiderone^{(Talk to Spider)} 20:05, 11 May 2023 (UTC)
• Keep. The article says she participated in three pageants and won two of them, and seems to be supported with adequate references. Beauty pageant winners get a lot of media coverage. Eastmain (talk • contribs) 21:44, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

You are implying that winning some pageant makes a person notable. The relevant guideline states Winners of Big Four pageants are generally presumed to be notable. The subject of this article has not won such an award. ☆ Bri (talk) 21:59, 11 May 2023 (UTC)

• Weak Keep: I put the more citations needed template for this article to have more sources for this BLP. CastJared (talk) 00:38, 12 May 2023 (UTC)

@CastJared: Are you providing a policy-based reason to keep the article? ☆ Bri (talk) 20:33, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

I suggested to weak keep article as it needs more citations. CastJared (talk) 02:23, 17 May 2023 (UTC)

We both agree it needs more citations. The problem is: do such sources exist? There's no presumption that they do, per the relevant notability guideline. ☆ Bri (talk) 15:47, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Changed template, as it tells that the topic of this article may not meet Wikipedia's general notability guideline. CastJared (talk) 17:59, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

• Keep She has won beauty pageant and as per the Wikipedia winning awards or pageant means passing the notability and that too she has won 3 pageants so yes this page should not be deleted. — Shaikha Habiba (talk · contribs) is a confirmed sock puppet of Devoter (talk · contribs).

The article lists the subject as the winner of two pageants, and "Miss Iran Earth 2022 pageant" may not actually exist – can you show that it was not an appointment to appear at Miss Earth 2022? At any rate, again, only the big four pageants are considered to be likely to confirm notability, not these national ones (if they exist). ☆ Bri (talk) 20:31, 16 May 2023 (UTC)

•  Checkuser note: Blocked as a sockpuppet. (Shaikha, not Bri!) Courcelles (talk) 14:36, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

Thanks for clarifying! ☆ Bri (talk) 15:42, 18 May 2023 (UTC)

• Delete BLP, Fails BIO, GNG. Source eval:

Comments	Source
One paragraph promo bio, "Who is Mahrou Ahmadi? The information about Mahrou Ahmadi, who gained the appreciation of the masses with his shares on social media, is frequently asked by users on social media and on the internet. So who is Mahrou Ahmadi? Where is he from? How old is he? The answers are here.."	1. "Mahrou Ahmadi Kimdir? Nerelidir? Kaç Yaşındadır? Miss Iran 2022 Güzeli Seçildi!". fenoreporter. Archived from the original on 2023-03-19. Retrieved 2023-03-19.
Promo photo spread	2. ^ "صفر تا صد زیباترین دختر ایرانی در ملکه دختر زمین ! + عکس مهرو احمدی کبیر با حجاب و بی حجاب !". رکنا (in Persian). Archived from the original on 2023-03-19. Retrieved 2023-03-19.
Promo photo spread	3. ^ Times, I. D. N.; Andini, Dewi. "9 Potret Mahrou Ahmadi, Miss Earth Iran 2022 yang Bikin Terpukau". IDN Times (in Indonesian). Archived from the original on 2022-11-01. Retrieved 2023-03-19.
List with stats, not SIGCOV	4. ^ "Miss Earth 2022 contestants to watch, from first Miss Palestine to Miss Iran". 4 October 2022. Archived from the original on 19 March 2023. Retrieved 19 March 2023.
	5. ^ "Queen of Persia 2022 - QUEENS OF PERSIA". 2022-09-15. Archived from the original on 2023-03-21. Retrieved 2023-03-21.
Duplicate of above	6. ^ "Queen of Persia 2022 - QUEENS OF PERSIA". 2022-09-15. Archived from the original on 2023-03-21. Retrieved 2023-03-21.
One of serveral promo contest bios in a list	7. ^ "غوغای دختر ایرانی در مسابقه زیباترین ملکه روی زمین ! + عکس و بیوگرافی مهرو احمدی کبیر !". Vista News. Archived from the original on 2023-03-19. Retrieved 2023-03-19.
Primary, promo	8. ^ "Miss Earth Iran Biography". Missearth.tv. Archived from the original on 2022-12-04. Retrieved 2023-03-19.

None of the keep votes mention sources, and BEFORE showed nothing from IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth. WP:BLP states "Be very firm about the use of high-quality sources"'; BLPs need IS RS with SIGCOV addressing the subject directly and indepth for both content and notability per well known core policy (WP:V and WP:BLP) and guidelines (WP:BIO and WP:IS, WP:RS, WP:SIGCOV).  // Timothy :: talk  04:31, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

Comment: I put the duplicated Queen of Persia link and combined it. CastJared (talk) 17:57, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

• Delete Appears to be written in a PROMO style, not notable anyways Hadal1337 (talk) 08:46, 19 May 2023 (UTC)
• Delete per the nominator and Timothy. Winning Miss Iran 2022 does not automatically make her notable, and, as Timothy states using the source assessment table, she does not meet GNG due to the lack of SIGCOV. Nythar (💬-🍀) 18:37, 19 May 2023 (UTC)

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