Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Caius Titus (senator)

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The result was delete‎. Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 23:31, 29 May 2023 (UTC)

Caius Titus (senator)

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Some debate that this may be a hoax.[1] I cannot say it is certainly a hoax, as the name may be properly Gaius Titus, which may possibly refer to Titus Quinctius Flamininus based on a source I placed on the talk page. Yet, if it is about Flamininus then we have a much better article on him, and there is literally nothing here we can merge as it is all uncited. No good source links the Latin phrase to him either. Thus this should just be deleted. It is either a hoax or else it is an ill informed duplicate of an existing page. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:04, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

• Note: This discussion has been included in the list of History-related deletion discussions. Sirfurboy🏄 (talk) 18:04, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
• Delete. It is certainly a hoax. T8612 (talk) 18:29, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
• Delete This article describes someone prominent in the senate, a shaper of Roman legislation, etc, not the victor of the Second Macedonian War Titus Quinctius Flamininus. It is bizarre that we could describe someone as having "left an indelible mark on the Senate and the governance of the Roman Republic" without any direct evidence for their existence. Strikingly, apart from "Caius Titus (born 2nd century BCE)" we are given no names, dates, events, legislation, causes, family - no substance at all. The citation for him creating a proverb fails; that book does not include the proverb at all, not in the online search[2] or at the page[3] added by this article's creator to the citation at Verba volant, scripta manent 5 days ago[4] while creating this article. NebY (talk) 18:57, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
• Speedy delete The speedy tag should have been accepted. Also, the hoax seems to have spread to other language Wikipedias years ago, maybe we should contact them.★Trekker (talk) 19:00, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
  • To add, even if this isn't an intentional hoax, the person clearly isn't historical, "Caius Titus" is not a plausible name for a Roman senator of the middle Republic, it's made out of two praenomina one of which uses a very archaic spelling (Caius instead of Gaius).★Trekker (talk) 20:51, 22 May 2023 (UTC)

We might expect to find "Caius" in reference sources, however—it was a typical rendering up to recently, and still might be found in works of a non-specialist nature. Gaius Titius would be a plausible name, although I don't think we know of anyone of that name who would match this description; the fact that the proverb was previously attributed to the emperor Titus, then changed to this improbable name by an anonymous IP editor without explanation—a figure who just a few days ago became an important historical figure with his own article, not sourced to any known Roman writer or modern historian—is what marks it out as a hoax to me. P Aculeius (talk) 00:30, 23 May 2023 (UTC)

• Delete. The article was created out of whole cloth by an editor whose only other contributions have also been hoaxes: 1) the citation to a source that apparently doesn't contain it (attributed to this person, who was added to that article by an anonymous IP editor, who changed it from Titus, the emperor, without explanation or source), and 2) phony embellishment of a quotation from a letter by James Clerk Maxwell to his uncle. This name is obviously wrong, and the lack of any detail apart from the bogus attribution of an aphorism that may or may not be Roman shows that it's made up. P Aculeius (talk) 19:19, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
• Delete. Likely a WP:HOAX, or at the very least an article that is factually incorrect. ULPS (talk) 21:46, 22 May 2023 (UTC)
• Delete as hoax. Iazyges Consermonor Opus meum 13:56, 23 May 2023 (UTC)
• Delete as hoax. Ifly6 (talk) 21:43, 27 May 2023 (UTC)

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