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The result was delete. — ξ ^xplicit 01:00, 18 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Joan Pinkston

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Subject does not meet any one notability criterion set forth by WP:CREATIVE. Also, most of the sources are unreliable: 3 sources are to the subject's personal website, 3 are to boutique music sellers, and 2 are to her employer (Bob Jones University). —Eustress ^talk 20:43, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Pinkston may not meet an individual notability criterion, but its her career as a totality that's important at Wikipedia.--John Foxe (talk) 20:58, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete. I'm not seeing anything in her Bob Jones University bio supporting a keep. Clarityfiend (talk) 21:46, 10 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete No independent sources, not even brief mentions. Although I admit I'm not an expert on where to find material about hymnists, I've tried. She may do great things at Bob Jones, but she needs to have a wider influence to merit a Wikipedia article. --Colapeninsula (talk) 14:21, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Keep Actually Pinkston's importance has nothing to do with BJU. She's edited a hymn book that includes 75 of her own tunes, and she's published 300 choral and instrumental arrangements. These are not the sort of accomplishments that usually get a lot of media attention, but I don't know of a late 20th century musician that could equal those two achievements together. Pinkston's influence is extensive, it just doesn't appear in places you can easily find on line.--John Foxe (talk) 14:38, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete. per Clarityfiend. Don't see proof that she meets Wikipedia:Composers either. Symes (talk) 15:37, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Delete not WP:N.--TonyTheTiger (T/C/BIO/WP:CHICAGO/WP:FOUR) 20:38, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 01:42, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Delete - doesn't appear to meet WP:COMPOSER, and although John Foxe's arguments are persuasive, the facts available don't match up; the book in question is a major, wide-ranging hymnal into which Pinkston happens to have inserted several of her own compositions, none of which seem to have picked up any independent coverage, and I'm not finding any sources regarding her reputation as an arranger. If there are no readily-available sources to verify that her "influence is extensive", we can't just assume they must exist somewhere. ✤ Fosse 8 ✤ ^talk 16:16, 12 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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 *'''Delete''' No independent sources, not even brief mentions.  Although I admit I'm not an expert on where to find material about hymnists, I've tried.  She may do great things at Bob Jones, but she needs to have a wider influence to merit a Wikipedia article. --[[User:Colapeninsula|Colapeninsula]] ([[User talk:Colapeninsula|talk]]) 14:21, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
 *'''Keep''' Actually Pinkston's importance has nothing to do with BJU.  She's edited a hymn book that includes 75 of her own tunes, and she's published 300 choral and instrumental arrangements. These are not the sort of accomplishments that usually get a lot of media attention, but I don't know of a late 20th century musician that could equal those two achievements together. Pinkston's influence is extensive, it just doesn't appear in places you can easily find on line.--[[User:John Foxe|John Foxe]] ([[User talk:John Foxe|talk]]) 14:38, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
+*'''Delete'''. per Clarityfiend. Don't see proof that she meets [[Wikipedia:Composers]] either. [[User:Symes|Symes]] ([[User talk:Symes|talk]]) 15:37, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
+*'''Delete''' not [[WP:N]].--[[User:TonyTheTiger|TonyTheTiger]] <small>([[User talk:TonyTheTiger|T]]/[[Special:Contributions/TonyTheTiger|C]]/[[User:TonyTheTiger/Antonio Vernon|BIO]]/[[WP:CHICAGO]]/[[WP:FOUR]]) </small> 20:38, 11 April 2012 (UTC)
+:<small class="delsort-notice">Note:  This debate has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Bands and musicians|list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions]]. <!--Template:Deletion sorting--></small> <small>[[User:Gene93k|• Gene93k]] ([[User talk:Gene93k|talk]]) 01:42, 12 April 2012 (UTC)</small>
+*'''Delete''' - doesn't appear to meet WP:COMPOSER, and although John Foxe's arguments are persuasive, the facts available don't match up; the book in question is a major, wide-ranging hymnal into which Pinkston happens to have inserted several of her own compositions, none of which seem to have picked up any independent coverage, and I'm not finding any sources regarding her reputation as an arranger.  If there are no readily-available sources to verify that her "influence is extensive", we can't just assume they must exist somewhere. [[User:Fosse8|<b style="background:#000066;color:gold;">✤ Fosse 8 ✤</b>]]&nbsp;<sup><small>[[User talk:Fosse8|talk]]</small></sup> 16:16, 12 April 2012 (UTC)
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