Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Zhu Bajie

The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was Keep as per unanimous consensus that stresses the notability of the subject (a major character in a landmark work of Chinese literature) and the absence of calls for deletion outside of the nominator. However, the article is in dire need of additional references, and the continued lack of references may cause this article to face a future deletion debate. A non-admin closure. And Adoil Descended (talk) 00:19, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Zhu Bajie

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Note: This debate has been included in the list of Fictional elements-related deletion discussions. Cliff Smith 18:38, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

"Article lacks multiple reliable third party independent sources, as set but in WP:GNG. Notability cannot be met without sufficient citations." "Referencing is not optional" Bonkers The Clown (talk) 13:12, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Keep. Highly notable, but it does need references. I would volunteer to do this, with the caveat that it may take a couple weeks to get to it. Homunculus (duihua) 14:07, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of China-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:03, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Literature-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 22:04, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

Note: This debate has been included in the list of Buddhism-related deletion discussions. LadyofShalott 22:13, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

• Keep Highly notable. Per Homunculus above & my comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Xuanzang (fictional character).John Z (talk) 10:02, 26 July 2012 (UTC)

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Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 18:16, 31 July 2012 (UTC)

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• Note: The arguments above seem to be WP:ITSNOTABLE. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 18:11, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

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They ARE. See below too. Bonkers The Clown (talk) 03:22, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.

Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Mark Arsten (talk) 20:04, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

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• Keep, Taiwanpedia has an article about him [1] The least that could be done is merge. Siuenti (talk) 21:39, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

• Keep Highly notable subject. Electric Catfish 21:45, 7 August 2012 (UTC)
  • WP:ITSNOTABLE. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 23:29, 9 August 2012 (UTC)
• Keep There are no sources, but I'm satisfied that they exist based on the historic nature this topic. Would appreciate the work from Homunculus. I doubt the article is at risk of being deleted even if it remains in its current state, but its current state is pretty bad. A merge might be a good alternative to improve the quality of the article. Shooterwalker (talk) 02:46, 8 August 2012 (UTC)
• Keep The Bushranger is being deliberately obtuse, the subject one of the main characters in Journey to the West, a hugely influential work of Chinese literature from the 16th Century - one of the Four Great Classical Novels which has been translated and adapted hundreds of times into all different media. This nomination is at the same level as trying to delete Romeo or Count Dracula. 220.231.34.3 (talk) 13:20, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes. The point is that these major characters are obviously notable according to the strictest interpretations of Wikipedia guidelines. There is infinitesimal probability that there is not a ton of reliable sources on them. A Chinese person pressed for time might not be able to immediately put their hands on RS's in Chinese for Romeo or Count Dracula, say not knowing the usual translation into Chinese of these names. That doesn't mean that it is not a good argument to say (& prove) that these are such important literary characters that anyone with any familiarity with "Western" culture would know them. Deleting these would be like deleting an article on a chemical element for insufficient sources.John Z (talk) 18:26, 12 August 2012 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.