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The result was '''Move to [[Dark Beast (Marvel Comics)]] and redirect to [[Beast (Marvel Comics)]]'''__EXPECTED_UNCONNECTED_PAGE__. This is one of the more complicated closures I've handled but this seems to be the consensus view. <span style="font-family:Papyrus; color:#800080;">[[User:Liz|'''''L'''''iz]]</span> <sup style="font-family: Times New Roman; color: #006400;">[[Special:Contributions/Liz|'''''Read!''''']] [[User talk:Liz|'''''Talk!''''']]</sup> 16:50, 23 August 2023 (UTC) |
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Minor comic book character, plot summary with next to no reception outside the "In 2018, CBR.com ranked Dark Beast 16th in their "Age Of Apocalypse: The 30 Strongest Characters In Marvel's Coolest Alternate World" list." listicle. [[WP:FANCRUFT]] that fails [[WP:GNG]]. Perhaps redirect to [[Beast (Marvel Comics)]]? <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User talk:Piotrus|<span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span>]]</sub> 02:43, 2 August 2023 (UTC) |
Minor comic book character, plot summary with next to no reception outside the "In 2018, CBR.com ranked Dark Beast 16th in their "Age Of Apocalypse: The 30 Strongest Characters In Marvel's Coolest Alternate World" list." listicle. [[WP:FANCRUFT]] that fails [[WP:GNG]]. Perhaps redirect to [[Beast (Marvel Comics)]]? <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User talk:Piotrus|<span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span>]]</sub> 02:43, 2 August 2023 (UTC) |
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*<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting|deletion sorting]] lists for the following topics: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Fictional elements|Fictional elements]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Science fiction and fantasy|Science fiction and fantasy]], and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Comics and animation|Comics and animation]]. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User talk:Piotrus|<span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span>]]</sub> 02:43, 2 August 2023 (UTC)</small> |
*<small class="delsort-notice">Note: This discussion has been included in the [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting|deletion sorting]] lists for the following topics: [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Fictional elements|Fictional elements]], [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Science fiction and fantasy|Science fiction and fantasy]], and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Deletion sorting/Comics and animation|Comics and animation]]. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User talk:Piotrus|<span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span>]]</sub> 02:43, 2 August 2023 (UTC)</small> |
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* '''Move''' to [[Dark Beast (Marvel Comics)]] and '''redirect''' to [[Beast (Marvel Comics)]]. Does not seem notable and even if they were, it would need a complete rewrite. I suggest moving to create a disambiguation page as there are many characters known as "Dark Beast" or "Darkbeast" such as one form of [[Ganon]]. [[User:Zxcvbnm|ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ]] ([[User talk:Zxcvbnm|ᴛ]]) 15:35, 2 August 2023 (UTC) |
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* '''Keep''' while retitling to "Dark Beast (Marvel Comics)" per the suggestion that was made by {{ping|Zxcvbnm}} or '''merge''' with [[List of Marvel Comics characters: D]] in the spirit of [[WP:PRESERVE]]. --[[User:Rtkat3|Rtkat3]] ([[User talk:Rtkat3|talk]]) 17:15, 2 August 2023 (UTC) |
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** Isn't this a Marvel Comics character? [[User:Pokelego999|Pokelego999]] ([[User talk:Pokelego999|talk]]) 15:32, 3 August 2023 (UTC) |
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*** Sorry, I got those pages mixed up. It has been corrected right now {{ping|Pokelego999}}. --[[User:Rtkat3|Rtkat3]] ([[User talk:Rtkat3|talk]]) 17:35, 3 August 2023 (UTC) |
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***:No worries, just double checking. [[User:Pokelego999|Pokelego999]] ([[User talk:Pokelego999|talk]]) 19:12, 3 August 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Keep''' per improvements made and sources added to the article, or at worst '''merge''' per Rtkat3 and [[WP:PRESERVE]], and noting the potential for further sources by BoomboxTestarossa below. [[User:BOZ|BOZ]] ([[User talk:BOZ|talk]]) 22:04, 3 August 2023 (UTC) |
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**@[[User:BOZ|BOZ]] I respect you but neither you nor @[[User:Rtkat3|Rtkat3]] actually provided any rationale for keeping this. And sourcing by @[[User:BoomboxTestarossa|BoomboxTestarossa]] seems to be rather theoretical at this point. I'd be happy to see this saved, as usual, if SIGCOV, non-plot coverage of the character were to be found. This hasn't happened yet. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User talk:Piotrus|<span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span>]]</sub> 09:16, 12 August 2023 (UTC) |
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***I had also suggested the renaming if the disambiguation link is established and the merge to [[List of Marvel Comics characters: D]] in my part of the consensus. --[[User:Rtkat3|Rtkat3]] ([[User talk:Rtkat3|talk]]) 21:02, 17 August 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Merge''' or redirect per Zxcvbnm. This article doesn't pass the [[WP:GNG]]. But there is a way to [[WP:PRESERVE]] it and even improve the coverage, if it's centralized in one article about the overall character. [[User:Shooterwalker|Shooterwalker]] ([[User talk:Shooterwalker|talk]]) 01:41, 5 August 2023 (UTC) |
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:*'''Comment''' 1994 issues of Wizard have some respectable coverage of Age of Apocalypse and 1996 of Onslaught, which IIRC were major stories that featured the Dark Beast in sizeable capacity. Issues are on the Internet Archive even through they probably shouldn't be. TCJ had I think gone full sneer by then but might have some catty reception. [[User:BoomboxTestarossa|BoomboxTestarossa]] ([[User talk:BoomboxTestarossa|talk]]) 08:38, 11 August 2023 (UTC) |
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*'''Move''' per ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ's suggestion.[[User:StarTrekker|★Trekker]] ([[User talk:StarTrekker|talk]]) 18:59, 17 August 2023 (UTC) |
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Latest revision as of 16:50, 23 August 2023
- The following discussion is an archived debate of the proposed deletion of the article below. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.
The result was Move to Dark Beast (Marvel Comics) and redirect to Beast (Marvel Comics). This is one of the more complicated closures I've handled but this seems to be the consensus view. Liz Read! Talk! 16:50, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
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Minor comic book character, plot summary with next to no reception outside the "In 2018, CBR.com ranked Dark Beast 16th in their "Age Of Apocalypse: The 30 Strongest Characters In Marvel's Coolest Alternate World" list." listicle. WP:FANCRUFT that fails WP:GNG. Perhaps redirect to Beast (Marvel Comics)? Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:43, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements, Science fiction and fantasy, and Comics and animation. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 02:43, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
- Move to Dark Beast (Marvel Comics) and redirect to Beast (Marvel Comics). Does not seem notable and even if they were, it would need a complete rewrite. I suggest moving to create a disambiguation page as there are many characters known as "Dark Beast" or "Darkbeast" such as one form of Ganon. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 15:35, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
- Keep while retitling to "Dark Beast (Marvel Comics)" per the suggestion that was made by @Zxcvbnm: or merge with List of Marvel Comics characters: D in the spirit of WP:PRESERVE. --Rtkat3 (talk) 17:15, 2 August 2023 (UTC)
- Isn't this a Marvel Comics character? Pokelego999 (talk) 15:32, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, I got those pages mixed up. It has been corrected right now @Pokelego999:. --Rtkat3 (talk) 17:35, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
- No worries, just double checking. Pokelego999 (talk) 19:12, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
- Sorry, I got those pages mixed up. It has been corrected right now @Pokelego999:. --Rtkat3 (talk) 17:35, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
- Isn't this a Marvel Comics character? Pokelego999 (talk) 15:32, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
- Keep per improvements made and sources added to the article, or at worst merge per Rtkat3 and WP:PRESERVE, and noting the potential for further sources by BoomboxTestarossa below. BOZ (talk) 22:04, 3 August 2023 (UTC)
- @BOZ I respect you but neither you nor @Rtkat3 actually provided any rationale for keeping this. And sourcing by @BoomboxTestarossa seems to be rather theoretical at this point. I'd be happy to see this saved, as usual, if SIGCOV, non-plot coverage of the character were to be found. This hasn't happened yet. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:16, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- I had also suggested the renaming if the disambiguation link is established and the merge to List of Marvel Comics characters: D in my part of the consensus. --Rtkat3 (talk) 21:02, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
- @BOZ I respect you but neither you nor @Rtkat3 actually provided any rationale for keeping this. And sourcing by @BoomboxTestarossa seems to be rather theoretical at this point. I'd be happy to see this saved, as usual, if SIGCOV, non-plot coverage of the character were to be found. This hasn't happened yet. Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 09:16, 12 August 2023 (UTC)
- Merge or redirect per Zxcvbnm. This article doesn't pass the WP:GNG. But there is a way to WP:PRESERVE it and even improve the coverage, if it's centralized in one article about the overall character. Shooterwalker (talk) 01:41, 5 August 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 05:10, 9 August 2023 (UTC)- Comment 1994 issues of Wizard have some respectable coverage of Age of Apocalypse and 1996 of Onslaught, which IIRC were major stories that featured the Dark Beast in sizeable capacity. Issues are on the Internet Archive even through they probably shouldn't be. TCJ had I think gone full sneer by then but might have some catty reception. BoomboxTestarossa (talk) 08:38, 11 August 2023 (UTC)
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Relisting comment: Sorry to relist when there hasn't been much commentary since the last relisting but there are several different proposals floating around in this discussion and none of them have a majority of participating editors supporting any specific one.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz Read! Talk! 06:02, 16 August 2023 (UTC)
- Move per ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ's suggestion.★Trekker (talk) 18:59, 17 August 2023 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.