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:{{reply to|Jooojay}} The fact that the articles of some Iranian musicians are not in the Persian Wikipedia is due to the suffocation of music and the lack of recognition of musicians in Iran. They were not in the Persian Wikipedia and have been removed, but they have had articles in the English Wikipedia. Like [[Roya Arab]] and [[Tanbe10]] and [[Bahram Nouraei]] [[User:Hossein.income|Hossein.income]] ([[User talk:Hossein.income|talk]]) 11:56, 12 October 2020 (UTC) |
:{{reply to|Jooojay}} The fact that the articles of some Iranian musicians are not in the Persian Wikipedia is due to the suffocation of music and the lack of recognition of musicians in Iran. They were not in the Persian Wikipedia and have been removed, but they have had articles in the English Wikipedia. Like [[Roya Arab]] and [[Tanbe10]] and [[Bahram Nouraei]] [[User:Hossein.income|Hossein.income]] ([[User talk:Hossein.income|talk]]) 11:56, 12 October 2020 (UTC) |
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Also, if Persian language sources were used in the article, it cannot be said that the sources were invalid Sources for this article are [[Iranian Students News Agency]], [[Mehr News Agency]], [[Ettela'at|Ettela'at Newspaper]] and [[Tasnim News Agency]] [[User:Hossein.income|Hossein.income]] ([[User talk:Hossein.income|talk]]) 12:22, 12 October 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{reply to|Jooojay}} There are many articles like this one. Do we have to remove them all? Due to the suffocation and censorship of Iranian musicians, they can not interview the English-language media or put them in the news or cover themselves. Because they may be endangered by governments in Iran I can show more than a thousand articles like [[Sanam Pasha]] [[Kaveh Afagh]] [[Arya Aziminejad]] [[Ghogha (rapper)|Ghogha]] These articles are either not in Persian Wikipedia or the sources mentioned in them are completely Persian, so we must delete them [[User:Hossein.income|Hossein.income]] ([[User talk:Hossein.income|talk]]) 12:35, 12 October 2020 (UTC) |
::Also, if Persian language sources were used in the article, it cannot be said that the sources were invalid Sources for this article are [[Iranian Students News Agency]], [[Mehr News Agency]], [[Ettela'at|Ettela'at Newspaper]] and [[Tasnim News Agency]] [[User:Hossein.income|Hossein.income]] ([[User talk:Hossein.income|talk]]) 12:22, 12 October 2020 (UTC) |
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:::{{reply to|Jooojay}} There are many articles like this one. Do we have to remove them all? Due to the suffocation and censorship of Iranian musicians, they can not interview the English-language media or put them in the news or cover themselves. Because they may be endangered by governments in Iran I can show more than a thousand articles like [[Sanam Pasha]] [[Kaveh Afagh]] [[Arya Aziminejad]] [[Ghogha (rapper)|Ghogha]] These articles are either not in Persian Wikipedia or the sources mentioned in them are completely Persian, so we must delete them [[User:Hossein.income|Hossein.income]] ([[User talk:Hossein.income|talk]]) 12:35, 12 October 2020 (UTC) |
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| ⚫ | ::::{{reply to|Jooojay}} This person has collaborated with many well-known artists who currently live in the United States, such as [[Siavash Ghomayshi]], [[:fa:مهرداد_آسمانی|Mehrdad Asmani]], and [[Shahrum Kashani|Shahram Kashani]]. Unfortunately, due to the prevailing conditions in Iranian music, these collaborations do not become media [[User:Hossein.income|Hossein.income]] ([[User talk:Hossein.income|talk]]) 12:47, 12 October 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::{{reply to|Jooojay}} I have found this source in [[Tehran Times|tehran times]] <ref>{{Cite web|date=2020-02-19|title=Current music scene|url=https://www.tehrantimes.com/news/445337/Current-music-scene|access-date=2020-10-12|website=Tehran Times|language=en}}</ref> which is in English but this source may be removed as the sources for [[Bahram Nouraei|Bahram Nouraei]] interviews with [[Rolling Stone]] <ref>http://www.rollingstoneme.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1131</ref> and the interviews of [[Ash Koosha|Ashkan Kooshanejad]] <ref>https://thump.vice.com/en_us/article/ash-koosha-immigration-ban-statement</ref>, [[Mahdyar Aghajani|Mahdiar Aghajani]] <ref>{{Cite web|title=مـصـاحبه مجله "نسیم هراز" با مهدیار آقاجانی ؛ باد مارا خواهد برد {{!}} Facebook|url=https://www.facebook.com/notes/moltafet-lyrics/%D9%85%D9%80%D8%B5%D9%80%D8%A7%D8%AD%D8%A8%D9%87-%D9%85%D8%AC%D9%84%D9%87-%D9%86%D8%B3%DB%8C%D9%85-%D9%87%D8%B1%D8%A7%D8%B2-%D8%A8%D8%A7-%D9%85%D9%87%D8%AF%DB%8C%D8%A7%D8%B1-%D8%A2%D9%82%D8%A7%D8%AC%D8%A7%D9%86%DB%8C-%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%AF-%D9%85%D8%A7%D8%B1%D8%A7-%D8%AE%D9%88%D8%A7%D9%87%D8%AF-%D8%A8%D8%B1%D8%AF/341181622683080/|access-date=2020-10-12|website=www.facebook.com}}</ref> and [[Kaveh Afagh]] <ref>{{Cite web|last=Elham|first=Basirat|date=|title=Malaysia Today's special: Kaveh Afagh – My today magazine|url=http://mytodaymagazine.com/en/kaveh-afagh-/|archive-url=|archive-date=|access-date=2020-10-12|website=My today magazine}}</ref> are not available. [[User:Hossein.income|Hossein.income]] ([[User talk:Hossein.income|talk]]) 13:12, 12 October 2020 (UTC) |
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::::::: Wikipedia has a lot of Pop musicians in Iran with reliable sources so that logic doesn't make sense, half of the citations you added here are dead links (see [[WP:RS]], [[WP:N]]). If you want to prove that this person is notable, instead of using this page, use the existing WP article and update the citations to prove it. [[User:Jooojay|Jooojay]] ([[User talk:Jooojay|talk]]) 16:53, 12 October 2020 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' not even close to meeting notability guidelines for notability for a musician.[[User:Johnpacklambert|John Pack Lambert]] ([[User talk:Johnpacklambert|talk]]) 16:08, 12 October 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{reply to|Johnpacklambert}} He has Wikipedia Music policies Composer, songwriter and production of several famous pieces by Iranian singers such as [[Morteza Pashaei]], [[:fa:حمید_عسکری|Hamid Askari]], [[:fa:مهرداد_آسمانی|Mehrdad Asmani]] and [[Payam Salehi]], who was one of the main members of [[Arian (band)|Arian Band]]. He is even the composer of a musical theater in the [[Roudaki Hall|Vahdat Hall]], which was attended by 1,760 spectators. He qualifies for [[WP:COMPOSER]] and [[Wikipedia:NALBUMS|WP:NALBUM]]. An artist with 18 years of music activity with hardship, pressure and censorship in Iran who has done a lot of work in his career [[User:Hossein.income|Hossein.income]] ([[User talk:Hossein.income|talk]]) 16:34, 12 October 2020 (UTC) |
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::{{reply to|Johnpacklambert}} He received the Uncle Pumble Theater Award for Best Composer last year from [[Institute for the Intellectual Development of Children and Young Adults|the Institute for the Intellectual Development of Children and Young Adults.]] [[User:Hossein.income|Hossein.income]] ([[User talk:Hossein.income|talk]]) 16:41, 12 October 2020 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' fails to satisfy [[WP:SINGER]] and general notability criteria. [[User:TheBirdsShedTears|TheBirdsShedTears]] ([[User talk:TheBirdsShedTears|talk]]) 18:27, 12 October 2020 (UTC) |
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::{{reply to|TheBirdsShedTears}} Why did he compose for a TV show In 2015, he composed the title track for Glory be to Allah, which aired on [[IRIB TV3|IRIB TV3's]]<ref>{{Cite web|last=تبیان|first=موسسه فرهنگی و اطلاع رسانی|title=تیتراژ ابتدایی ماه عسل 94 / طاها حسنی|url=https://film.tebyan.net/film/154247/%d8%aa%db%8c%d8%aa%d8%b1%d8%a7%da%98-%d8%a7%d8%a8%d8%aa%d8%af%d8%a7%db%8c%db%8c-%d9%85%d8%a7%d9%87-%d8%b9%d8%b3%d9%84-94-%d8%b7%d8%a7%d9%87%d8%a7-%d8%ad%d8%b3%d9%86%db%8c|access-date=2020-10-12|website=تبیان|language=fa}}</ref> [[Mah-e Asal (TV series)|Mahe Asal]] He meets [[WP:SINGER]] This program is broadcast every year in Iran in the month of [[Ramadan]] on [[IRIB TV3]] This TV show was created by [[Ehsan Alikhani]] and has a score of 6.6 on [[IMDb|IMDB]] <ref>{{Citation|title=Mah-e Asal (TV Series 2007– ) - IMDb|url=http://www.imdb.com/title/tt3089160/|access-date=2020-10-12}}</ref> |
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[[User:Hossein.income|Hossein.income]] ([[User talk:Hossein.income|talk]]) 19:54, 12 October 2020 (UTC) |
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I have added photos of magazines related to the national music charts of the country in 2010 and 2011. As you can see, the works that this person played in making them are in these charts, so he has covered in the past. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Hossein.income|Hossein.income]] ([[User talk:Hossein.income#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Hossein.income|contribs]]) 08:14, 13 October 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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*'''Delete''' — The [[WP:BLUDGEON|bludgeon]] is blinding. Anyway, per nom, subject doesn’t possess in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources independent of them to warrant a standalone at the moment. '''[[User:Celestina007|Celestina007]]''' ([[User talk:Celestina007|talk]]) 10:37, 13 October 2020 (UTC) |
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::{{reply to|Celestina007}} What sources do you look at the articles of other Iranian musicians? This is how it is. Music in Iran is hard to cover. What do you do if you look at articles like [[Iman Ebrahimi]], [[Tanbe10]] and [[Mahdyar Aghajani]] In Iran, independent artists work hard in any genre, and their sources of coverage have been Facebook and blogs from the beginning. It is obvious in any style, except for those who are in the classical style and connected to the government Well, that's why composers and musicians should have no place here. This is not oppression, artists should be given a chance. [[User:Hossein.income|Hossein.income]] ([[User talk:Hossein.income|talk]]) 11:13, 13 October 2020 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete''' Nothing has really changed since the sockpuppet-flooded AfD from last year. Appears to perform with some notable musicians but Hosseinzadeh himself does not appear to have the in-depth coverage necessary to pass GNG and does not meet the inclusionary notability guidelines for musicians. Best, [[User:GPL93|GPL93]] ([[User_talk:GPL93|talk]]) 16:01, 14 October 2020 (UTC) |
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| ⚫ | :{{reply to|Jooojay}} This person has collaborated with many well-known artists who currently live in the United States, such as [[Siavash Ghomayshi]], [[:fa:مهرداد_آسمانی|Mehrdad Asmani]], and [[Shahrum Kashani|Shahram Kashani]]. Unfortunately, due to the prevailing conditions in Iranian music, these collaborations do not become media [[User:Hossein.income|Hossein.income]] ([[User talk:Hossein.income|talk]]) 12:47, 12 October 2020 (UTC) |
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*'''Delete'''. I was canvassed on 8 November 2019 with this email: "Hey, I'm a fan of Ali Hosseinzadeh, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Hosseinzadeh. Due to restrictions in Iran, it is not possible to broadcast interviews with foreign media. Not everyone who writes about collaborating with other singers means that it is a two-person work, meaning that the composer has performed a piece that the singer has performed. That is, Ali Hosseinzadeh was the owner of the work. Because of the mafia in Iranian music, nothing is transparent. The result is being judged unfairly. He has been since 2003. It is working so it is abnormal that anyone who does not have the standard required to work can survive to this day, In Iran, most people do not know composers unless they follow bad policies. They are only pursuing Singers. We are trying to defend these artists. Please help us and reconsider your comment if possible - Thanks Lila". The email name did not match the person's closing. [[User:Bearian|Bearian]] ([[User talk:Bearian|talk]]) 00:15, 15 October 2020 (UTC) |
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The result was delete. GirthSummit (blether) 11:51, 19 October 2020 (UTC)
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Other than having several new non notable songs, nothing has changed since the prior discussion. Praxidicae (talk) 01:21, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Note: This discussion has been included in the list of Bands and musicians-related deletion discussions. Lightburst (talk) 01:49, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
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- Delete - not seeing many reliable citations or even a basic mentions in publications in English. Most of the provided citations fail verification and do not mention Ali Hosseinzadeh by name, which is a problem since this is a BLP. Ali Hosseinzadeh doesn't have an article in Wikipedia Farsi either. Jooojay (talk) 03:54, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Jooojay: The fact that the articles of some Iranian musicians are not in the Persian Wikipedia is due to the suffocation of music and the lack of recognition of musicians in Iran. They were not in the Persian Wikipedia and have been removed, but they have had articles in the English Wikipedia. Like Roya Arab and Tanbe10 and Bahram Nouraei Hossein.income (talk) 11:56, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Also, if Persian language sources were used in the article, it cannot be said that the sources were invalid Sources for this article are Iranian Students News Agency, Mehr News Agency, Ettela'at Newspaper and Tasnim News Agency Hossein.income (talk) 12:22, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Jooojay: There are many articles like this one. Do we have to remove them all? Due to the suffocation and censorship of Iranian musicians, they can not interview the English-language media or put them in the news or cover themselves. Because they may be endangered by governments in Iran I can show more than a thousand articles like Sanam Pasha Kaveh Afagh Arya Aziminejad Ghogha These articles are either not in Persian Wikipedia or the sources mentioned in them are completely Persian, so we must delete them Hossein.income (talk) 12:35, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Jooojay: This person has collaborated with many well-known artists who currently live in the United States, such as Siavash Ghomayshi, Mehrdad Asmani, and Shahram Kashani. Unfortunately, due to the prevailing conditions in Iranian music, these collaborations do not become media Hossein.income (talk) 12:47, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Jooojay: I have found this source in tehran times [1] which is in English but this source may be removed as the sources for Bahram Nouraei interviews with Rolling Stone [2] and the interviews of Ashkan Kooshanejad [3], Mahdiar Aghajani [4] and Kaveh Afagh [5] are not available. Hossein.income (talk) 13:12, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Wikipedia has a lot of Pop musicians in Iran with reliable sources so that logic doesn't make sense, half of the citations you added here are dead links (see WP:RS, WP:N). If you want to prove that this person is notable, instead of using this page, use the existing WP article and update the citations to prove it. Jooojay (talk) 16:53, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Delete not even close to meeting notability guidelines for notability for a musician.John Pack Lambert (talk) 16:08, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Johnpacklambert: He has Wikipedia Music policies Composer, songwriter and production of several famous pieces by Iranian singers such as Morteza Pashaei, Hamid Askari, Mehrdad Asmani and Payam Salehi, who was one of the main members of Arian Band. He is even the composer of a musical theater in the Vahdat Hall, which was attended by 1,760 spectators. He qualifies for WP:COMPOSER and WP:NALBUM. An artist with 18 years of music activity with hardship, pressure and censorship in Iran who has done a lot of work in his career Hossein.income (talk) 16:34, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Johnpacklambert: He received the Uncle Pumble Theater Award for Best Composer last year from the Institute for the Intellectual Development of Children and Young Adults. Hossein.income (talk) 16:41, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- Delete fails to satisfy WP:SINGER and general notability criteria. TheBirdsShedTears (talk) 18:27, 12 October 2020 (UTC)
- @TheBirdsShedTears: Why did he compose for a TV show In 2015, he composed the title track for Glory be to Allah, which aired on IRIB TV3's[6] Mahe Asal He meets WP:SINGER This program is broadcast every year in Iran in the month of Ramadan on IRIB TV3 This TV show was created by Ehsan Alikhani and has a score of 6.6 on IMDB [7]
Hossein.income (talk) 19:54, 12 October 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hossein.income (talk • contribs) 07:25, 13 October 2020 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hossein.income (talk • contribs) 07:40, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
I have added photos of magazines related to the national music charts of the country in 2010 and 2011. As you can see, the works that this person played in making them are in these charts, so he has covered in the past. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Hossein.income (talk • contribs) 08:14, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Delete — The bludgeon is blinding. Anyway, per nom, subject doesn’t possess in-depth significant coverage in reliable sources independent of them to warrant a standalone at the moment. Celestina007 (talk) 10:37, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- @Celestina007: What sources do you look at the articles of other Iranian musicians? This is how it is. Music in Iran is hard to cover. What do you do if you look at articles like Iman Ebrahimi, Tanbe10 and Mahdyar Aghajani In Iran, independent artists work hard in any genre, and their sources of coverage have been Facebook and blogs from the beginning. It is obvious in any style, except for those who are in the classical style and connected to the government Well, that's why composers and musicians should have no place here. This is not oppression, artists should be given a chance. Hossein.income (talk) 11:13, 13 October 2020 (UTC)
- Delete Nothing has really changed since the sockpuppet-flooded AfD from last year. Appears to perform with some notable musicians but Hosseinzadeh himself does not appear to have the in-depth coverage necessary to pass GNG and does not meet the inclusionary notability guidelines for musicians. Best, GPL93 (talk) 16:01, 14 October 2020 (UTC)
References
- ^ "Current music scene". Tehran Times. 2020-02-19. Retrieved 2020-10-12.
- ^ http://www.rollingstoneme.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1131
- ^ https://thump.vice.com/en_us/article/ash-koosha-immigration-ban-statement
- ^ "مـصـاحبه مجله "نسیم هراز" با مهدیار آقاجانی ؛ باد مارا خواهد برد | Facebook". www.facebook.com. Retrieved 2020-10-12.
- ^ Elham, Basirat. "Malaysia Today's special: Kaveh Afagh – My today magazine". My today magazine. Retrieved 2020-10-12.
- ^ تبیان, موسسه فرهنگی و اطلاع رسانی. "تیتراژ ابتدایی ماه عسل 94 / طاها حسنی". تبیان (in Persian). Retrieved 2020-10-12.
- ^ Mah-e Asal (TV Series 2007– ) - IMDb, retrieved 2020-10-12
- Delete. I was canvassed on 8 November 2019 with this email: "Hey, I'm a fan of Ali Hosseinzadeh, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ali_Hosseinzadeh. Due to restrictions in Iran, it is not possible to broadcast interviews with foreign media. Not everyone who writes about collaborating with other singers means that it is a two-person work, meaning that the composer has performed a piece that the singer has performed. That is, Ali Hosseinzadeh was the owner of the work. Because of the mafia in Iranian music, nothing is transparent. The result is being judged unfairly. He has been since 2003. It is working so it is abnormal that anyone who does not have the standard required to work can survive to this day, In Iran, most people do not know composers unless they follow bad policies. They are only pursuing Singers. We are trying to defend these artists. Please help us and reconsider your comment if possible - Thanks Lila". The email name did not match the person's closing. Bearian (talk) 00:15, 15 October 2020 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the debate. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as the article's talk page or in a deletion review). No further edits should be made to this page.