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| style="text-align: center" |This miscellaneous page was nominated for '''''[[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deletion]]''''' on 12 March 2006. The result of the discussion was '''keep'''. An archived record of this discussion can be found [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikipedians against censorship|here]]. |
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== Grants:IEG/Wikipedia likes Galactic Exploration for Posterity 2015 == |
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== Wikipedan for work-safety: Hide, don't remove == |
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Dear Fellow Wikipedians, |
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[[User:I JethroBT (WMF)|I JethroBT (WMF)]] suggested that I consult with fellow Wikipedians to get feedback and help to improve my idea about "As an unparalleled way to raise awareness of the Wikimedia projects, I propose to create a tremendous media opportunity presented by launching Wikipedia via space travel." |
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Please see the idea at {{url|https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Wikipedia_likes_Galactic_Exploration_for_Posterity_2015}}. Please post your suggestions on the talk page and please feel free to edit the idea and join the project. |
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Thank you for your time and attention in this matter. I appreciate it. |
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My best regards, [[User:Geraldshields11|Geraldshields11]] ([[User talk:Geraldshields11|talk]]) 21:19, 15 October 2015 (UTC) |
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== this looks like a dead project... == |
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Many people are talking about removing "objectionable" picture, but I think what we need is actually a mechanism to keep [[NSFW]] pictures hidden ''until the user asks to see them''. As such, it would not be censorship since the pictures would still be accessible. However, the user would have to click a button or javascript link to reveal them, such as how [http://andersson.elfwood.com/Catgirl_Puzzle.2524310.html this] works. Wouldn't this be the best of both worlds? [[User:Medinoc|Medinoc]] ([[User talk:Medinoc|talk]]) 19:26, 27 August 2009 (UTC) |
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:It sounds good in theory, but how do you define "objectionable" and "not safe for work"? See the rejected [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Graphical content problem]] for a very similar proposal. If you can overcome the problems identified there, especially with regards NPOV, then flesh out your proposal with your answers and start a discussion. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 20:31, 27 August 2009 (UTC) |
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::Ah, now I see the problem. How does one start a discussion, and where? I'm really new to these parts of the wiki...[[User:Medinoc|Medinoc]] ([[User talk:Medinoc|talk]]) 13:36, 28 August 2009 (UTC) |
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:::[[Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)]] would be the place. --[[User:Enric Naval|Enric Naval]] ([[User talk:Enric Naval|talk]]) 15:50, 28 August 2009 (UTC) |
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or is it not ? I ve read up and down and see no activity. |
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== Largest wikiproject? == |
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I saw a huge membership list of 600 people most from before 2014, 1 addition 2015. |
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I dont know and am waiting to find out, if anybody of the supposed 177 watchers really watches this page... |
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* [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(miscellaneous)/Archive 21#Largest_wikiproject.3F]] [[User:Ikip|Ikip]] ([[User talk:Ikip|talk]]) 14:54, 22 August 2009 (UTC) |
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More to the point, I am wondering why this project never took on censorship outside "indecency", which is a small part and not what comes first to people's mind usually. |
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== Is this project still active? == |
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--[[User:Wuerzele|Wuerzele]] ([[User talk:Wuerzele|talk]]) 21:23, 29 October 2015 (UTC) |
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:{{Ping|Wuerzele}}Please see [[WT:WikiProject Freedom of speech]]. — '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 23:36, 29 October 2015 (UTC) |
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== [[Quantum_anthropology]] help == |
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Thinking of marking it with {{tl|inactive}}. -- [[User:OlEnglish|<font size="5">œ</font>]][[User talk:OlEnglish|<sup>™</sup>]] 06:38, 10 March 2010 (UTC) |
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Hi! I wrote an article about emerging field of anthropology and it is threaten by deletion (probably from people who are interested in another fields). So if somebody has a time for a quick view and discussion (keep or delete) the article will be glad! |
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[[User:Wikiditor|Wikiditor]] ([[User talk:Wikiditor|talk]]) 08:53, 22 February 2016 (UTC) |
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== Critical Topic/Subject Project == |
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It doesn't seem to be productive but it should be. I still check in and think this could address a important problem. When dominant Wikipedians attempt to censor material they don't like they get away with it for now. Please don't make it worse than it is. Good day [[User:Zacherystaylor|Zacherystaylor]] ([[User talk:Zacherystaylor|talk]]) 15:52, 17 March 2010 (UTC) |
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This is a critical subject topic / project. There is also a seemingly increasing degree of censorship happening on Wikipedia articles by mob rule aka tyranny of (quite small) majorities. Why is this not receiving more attention??!! <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Fatbatsat|Fatbatsat]] ([[User talk:Fatbatsat#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fatbatsat|contribs]]) 11:22, 24 April 2022 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== deprofanitising where possible == |
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===Eskimo=== |
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I think you should also encourage removing profanity in good faith like the example in [[WP:Profanity]]. '''[[User:Kayau|<span style="color:lime"> Kayau </span>]]''' ''[[User talk:Kayau|Voting]]'' [[Special:Contributions/Kayau|<span style="color:red">IS</span>]] <small> [[User:Kayau/guestbook|evil]] </small> 14:41, 14 March 2010 (UTC) |
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The article titled eskimo is being repeatedly censored by a small group of users. The word means "one who nets snoeshoes" [see Goddard, 1984], but there is a folk etymology that it means "eaters of raw meat", hence it was thought to be a pejorative term by a lot of people for quite awhile. Some people, whether through this ignorance or for some other reason, nonetheles still consider it offensive, but it there is no actual replacement term which encompasses all Inuit and Yupik peoples (nor, arguably, the Aleut). |
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The aforesaid small group of users is concerned about political correctness, and repeatedly deletes or papers over references to the correct etymology, and removes any information connecting the false etymology to the perceived offensiveness of the word, and possible unintentional deception, i.e. appeal to ignorance (argumentum ad ignorantium). <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Fatbatsat|Fatbatsat]] ([[User talk:Fatbatsat#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fatbatsat|contribs]]) 11:32, 24 April 2022 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Educational Reading |
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== Of possible interest to the readers of this board. == |
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* {{cite book | author = Donna Patrick | date = 10 June 2013 | title = Language, Politics, and Social Interaction in an Inuit Community | publisher = Walter de Gruyter | pages = 2– | isbn = 978-3-11-089770-8 | oclc = 1091560161 | url = https://books.google.com/books?id=HWYjAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA2}} |
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*{{cite book | editor = Archie Hobson | date = 2004 | title = The Oxford Dictionary of Difficult Words | publisher = Oxford University Press | pages = 160– | isbn = 978-0-19-517328-4 | oclc = 250009148 | url = https://books.google.com/books?id=Vm_mNJiflwgC&pg=PA160}} |
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*{{cite book | author1 = Constance Backhouse | author2 = Osgoode Society for Canadian Legal History | date = 1 January 1999 | title = Colour-coded: A Legal History of Racism in Canada, 1900-1950 | publisher = University of Toronto Press | pages = 27– | isbn = 978-0-8020-8286-2 | oclc = 247186607 | url = https://books.google.com/books?id=BZlsTAH7GWIC&pg=PA27}} |
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*{{cite book | author = John Steckley | date = 1 January 2008 | title = White Lies about the Inuit | publisher = University of Toronto Press | pages = 21– | isbn = 978-1-55111-875-8 | oclc = 1077854782 | url = https://books.google.com/books?id=i-osjdNH3g8C&pg=PA21}} |
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*{{cite book | last=McElroy | first=A. | title=Nunavut Generations: Change and Continuity in Canadian Inuit Communities | publisher=Waveland Press | year=2007 | isbn=978-1-4786-0961-2 | url=https://books.google.com/books?id=-WkbAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA8 | access-date=2021-11-05 | page=8}} |
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*{{cite book | author = Louis-Jacques Dorais | date = 2010 | title = Language of the Inuit: Syntax, Semantics, and Society in the Arctic | publisher = McGill-Queen's Press - MQUP | pages = 297– | isbn = 978-0-7735-3646-3 | oclc = 1048661404 | url = https://books.google.com/books?id=gkfdQpHUdh4C&pg=PA297}} |
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==Online News Act concerns== |
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Hi. It's me. Now, I know that you people and I have tangled on more than one occasion. For instance, I was recently in a discussion over whether an article should include an image of a person ingesting a half liter or so of sperm. |
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There is a discussion that may be of interest to this Wikiproject at [[Wikipedia:Village pump (WMF)/Archive 6#Online News Act]]. Regards, <span style="border-radius:8em;padding:0 7px;background:orange">[[User:Thinker78|<span style="color:white">'''Thinker78'''</span>]]</span> [[User talk:Thinker78|(talk)]] 00:39, 23 August 2023 (UTC) |
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==About deletion of Behzad Qasemi (Hacktivist)== |
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I said no. An important component of my opposition was along this line: "As encyclopediasts, we are heirs of [[Diderot]], the [[Age of Reason]], the [[Enlightenment]], and so forth -- committed to the advancement of human freedom and development through the free distribution of knowledge, paying no mind to (indeed reveling in) the objections of kings, dictators, the Church, bigots, fanatics, the superstitious, etc. But this image does not advance important human knowledge in any really meaningful and useful way in this sense. It is, if anything, only a provocative distraction from this mission." |
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{{ping|Garshaasp}}, I am starting this thread to address your post at [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wikipedians_against_censorship&diff=prev&oldid=1141586334 WikiProject Wikipedians against censorship]. There was a discussion about this deletion at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Behzad Qasemi (Hacktivist)]]. |
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I don't expect the readers of this board to agree with me, but that's my stance. |
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I understand your concerns as I also am in general concerned about the topic of censorship. At one point I may have wanted to include every possible article in Wikipedia. But nowadays I understand also why there is a limit in the articles published. There certainly needs to be a fair balance between censorship and inclusion. In Wikipedia there may not be a perfect balance as such balance is really a range of a gray area. Some editors favor [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Inclusionism inclusion], others favor [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deletionist deletion]. |
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But now here's the thing. To my mind, the really ''important'' reason not have censorship here is not so much to protect stroke pictures but to allow free and scholarly discourse. But now ''this'' is in some danger, to my mind. [[WP:BLP]] states that the applies to talk pages, AfD's, and so forth just as much as to articles. But this has not really been enforced. But now it is being. Our ability to talk reasonably freely ''among ourselves'' (with some reasonable restrictions) is being challenged. |
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Check the pages about [[WP:CONSENSUS|consensus]] and [[WP:BRD|the bold, revert, discuss cycle]] so your articles stand more chance of getting published or at least you know more about why they get rejected. |
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So this is something where readers of this board and I might agree: [[Wikipedia:Material concerning living persons in non-article space]] [[User:Herostratus|Herostratus]] ([[User talk:Herostratus|talk]]) 01:45, 21 June 2010 (UTC) |
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(PS: To other editors, I know the editor is blocked but I respond out of principle because they contacted this wikiproject with their concerns beforehand and it's not possible to post in the talk page of a deleted page to keep it there, as guidance of this wikiproject otherwise states.) |
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== [[American Censorship Day]] == |
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Regards, <span style="border-radius:8em;padding:0 7px;background:orange">[[User:Thinker78|<span style="color:white">'''Thinker78'''</span>]]</span> [[User talk:Thinker78|(talk)]] 20:15, 7 October 2023 (UTC) |
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Even [http://blog.wikimedia.org/2011/11/15/wikimedia-supports-american-censorship-day/ WMF supports it], having changes their logo. Italian Wikipedia did it few weeks ago. Why are we not joining? See [[Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Participation_in_anti-SOPA_and_anti-PIPA_protests_by_blacking_out_the_Wikipedia_logo_for_one_day_.28TOMORROW.2C_NOV._16th.29|discussion]]. --<sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]|[[User talk:Piotrus|<font style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> talk to me</font>]]</sub> 23:06, 16 November 2011 (UTC) |
Latest revision as of 20:16, 7 October 2023
This is the talk page for discussing WikiProject Wikipedians against censorship and anything related to its purposes and tasks. |
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Archives: 1, 2, 3Auto-archiving period: 3 months |
This project page was nominated for deletion on 12 March 2006. The result of the discussion was keep. |
Grants:IEG/Wikipedia likes Galactic Exploration for Posterity 2015
[edit]Dear Fellow Wikipedians,
I JethroBT (WMF) suggested that I consult with fellow Wikipedians to get feedback and help to improve my idea about "As an unparalleled way to raise awareness of the Wikimedia projects, I propose to create a tremendous media opportunity presented by launching Wikipedia via space travel."
Please see the idea at meta
Thank you for your time and attention in this matter. I appreciate it.
My best regards, Geraldshields11 (talk) 21:19, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
this looks like a dead project...
[edit]or is it not ? I ve read up and down and see no activity. I saw a huge membership list of 600 people most from before 2014, 1 addition 2015.
I dont know and am waiting to find out, if anybody of the supposed 177 watchers really watches this page...
More to the point, I am wondering why this project never took on censorship outside "indecency", which is a small part and not what comes first to people's mind usually. --Wuerzele (talk) 21:23, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
- @Wuerzele:Please see WT:WikiProject Freedom of speech. — Cirt (talk) 23:36, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
Quantum_anthropology help
[edit]Hi! I wrote an article about emerging field of anthropology and it is threaten by deletion (probably from people who are interested in another fields). So if somebody has a time for a quick view and discussion (keep or delete) the article will be glad! Wikiditor (talk) 08:53, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
Critical Topic/Subject Project
[edit]This is a critical subject topic / project. There is also a seemingly increasing degree of censorship happening on Wikipedia articles by mob rule aka tyranny of (quite small) majorities. Why is this not receiving more attention??!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fatbatsat (talk • contribs) 11:22, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Eskimo
[edit]The article titled eskimo is being repeatedly censored by a small group of users. The word means "one who nets snoeshoes" [see Goddard, 1984], but there is a folk etymology that it means "eaters of raw meat", hence it was thought to be a pejorative term by a lot of people for quite awhile. Some people, whether through this ignorance or for some other reason, nonetheles still consider it offensive, but it there is no actual replacement term which encompasses all Inuit and Yupik peoples (nor, arguably, the Aleut). The aforesaid small group of users is concerned about political correctness, and repeatedly deletes or papers over references to the correct etymology, and removes any information connecting the false etymology to the perceived offensiveness of the word, and possible unintentional deception, i.e. appeal to ignorance (argumentum ad ignorantium). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fatbatsat (talk • contribs) 11:32, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Educational Reading
- Donna Patrick (10 June 2013). Language, Politics, and Social Interaction in an Inuit Community. Walter de Gruyter. pp. 2–. ISBN 978-3-11-089770-8. OCLC 1091560161.
- Archie Hobson, ed. (2004). The Oxford Dictionary of Difficult Words. Oxford University Press. pp. 160–. ISBN 978-0-19-517328-4. OCLC 250009148.
- Constance Backhouse; Osgoode Society for Canadian Legal History (1 January 1999). Colour-coded: A Legal History of Racism in Canada, 1900-1950. University of Toronto Press. pp. 27–. ISBN 978-0-8020-8286-2. OCLC 247186607.
- John Steckley (1 January 2008). White Lies about the Inuit. University of Toronto Press. pp. 21–. ISBN 978-1-55111-875-8. OCLC 1077854782.
- McElroy, A. (2007). Nunavut Generations: Change and Continuity in Canadian Inuit Communities. Waveland Press. p. 8. ISBN 978-1-4786-0961-2. Retrieved 2021-11-05.
- Louis-Jacques Dorais (2010). Language of the Inuit: Syntax, Semantics, and Society in the Arctic. McGill-Queen's Press - MQUP. pp. 297–. ISBN 978-0-7735-3646-3. OCLC 1048661404.
Online News Act concerns
[edit]There is a discussion that may be of interest to this Wikiproject at Wikipedia:Village pump (WMF)/Archive 6#Online News Act. Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 00:39, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
About deletion of Behzad Qasemi (Hacktivist)
[edit]@Garshaasp:, I am starting this thread to address your post at WikiProject Wikipedians against censorship. There was a discussion about this deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Behzad Qasemi (Hacktivist).
I understand your concerns as I also am in general concerned about the topic of censorship. At one point I may have wanted to include every possible article in Wikipedia. But nowadays I understand also why there is a limit in the articles published. There certainly needs to be a fair balance between censorship and inclusion. In Wikipedia there may not be a perfect balance as such balance is really a range of a gray area. Some editors favor inclusion, others favor deletion.
Check the pages about consensus and the bold, revert, discuss cycle so your articles stand more chance of getting published or at least you know more about why they get rejected.
(PS: To other editors, I know the editor is blocked but I respond out of principle because they contacted this wikiproject with their concerns beforehand and it's not possible to post in the talk page of a deleted page to keep it there, as guidance of this wikiproject otherwise states.)
Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 20:15, 7 October 2023 (UTC)