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| style="text-align: center" |This miscellaneous page was nominated for '''''[[Wikipedia:Deletion policy|deletion]]''''' on 12 March 2006. The result of the discussion was '''keep'''. An archived record of this discussion can be found [[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikipedians against censorship|here]]. |
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== Grants:IEG/Wikipedia likes Galactic Exploration for Posterity 2015 == |
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== Is this project still active? == |
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Thinking of marking it with {{tl|inactive}}. -- [[User:OlEnglish|<font size="5">œ</font>]][[User talk:OlEnglish|<sup>™</sup>]] 06:38, 10 March 2010 (UTC) |
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It doesn't seem to be productive but it should be. I still check in and think this could address a important problem. When dominant Wikipedians attempt to censor material they don't like they get away with it for now. Please don't make it worse than it is. Good day [[User:Zacherystaylor|Zacherystaylor]] ([[User talk:Zacherystaylor|talk]]) 15:52, 17 March 2010 (UTC) |
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Yes.<span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC;font-size:20px"><b><font color="#B6316C">[[User:L'Origine du monde|♥ L'Origine du monde ♥]]</font></b></span> <sup>(<font color="#99BADD">♥ [[User talk:L'Origine du monde|Talk]]♥ </font>)</sup> 05:21, 9 September 2013 (UTC) |
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== Censorship is still an issue == |
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If anything it has got worse. Search for [[Penis]] for example, and you will find an article with pictures of whale penises in jars- images of human penises are only to be displayed on the [[Human penis]] page to limit the offence a photograph of a penis might cause to someone looking for [[penis]]. I have been banned for 3 weeks, in part for displaying the 1866 painting [[L'Origine du monde]] in my userspace, and that image has been added to the banned list. The discussion on removing it from that list is [[MediaWiki_talk:Bad_image_list#Remove_File:Origin-of-the-World.jpg_from_the_Bad_image_list]] - please contribute.<span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC;font-size:20px"><b><font color="#B6316C">[[User:L'Origine du monde|♥ L'Origine du monde ♥]]</font></b></span> <sup>(<font color="#99BADD">♥ [[User talk:L'Origine du monde|Talk]]♥ </font>)</sup> 05:19, 9 September 2013 (UTC) |
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Here is a description of censorship in action from an ANI i was involved in last year. I don't know where this idea of images only in main articles came from, but it is ridiculous. |
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<blockquote> I too have concerns about this IP's edits and fascination with dicks, erections, ejaculation, vulvas, pissing, etc.. (Having such fascinations in one's private life is one thing, but bringing it here becomes disruptive.) They seem to be pressing the limits of NOTCENSORED by seeking the inclusion of sensitive images in unnecessary places. They want explicit images of erect penises, ejaculating penises, peeing men and women, vulvas, etc., in lots of places where such images are unnecessary. In article sections we usually use wikilinks and links to "main" articles. That's where the uncensored images are used, not just everywhere. I tried to explain, but IP93 just doesn't seem to get the hint. Here's something I wrote to illustrate: |
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"Images are used where necessary, but images that may be offensive to many are used more sparingly, IOW on the articles where they are most relevant. Instead of plastering/spamming (and that's what you seem to be doing) every tree in the forest with pictures of penises, we just put signs that say "penis", and an arrow. When one arrives at the penis tree, there will be a nice picture of a penis on THAT tree, because THAT is where it's relevant. It's not relevant on every other tree in the forest." |
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Will someone explain to them that wikilinks are sufficient (and don't have to be accompanied by an image), and that by using appropriate (and often very graphic) images on the final target articles, we are keeping Wikipedia uncensored, and that by refusing to plaster/spam such images all over the place, we are not violating NOTCENSORED? They need to stop this behavior. -- [[Brangifer]] (talk) 16:03, 21 July 2012 (UTC)</blockquote> |
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<span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC;font-size:20px"><b><font color="#B6316C">[[User:L'Origine du monde|♥ L'Origine du monde ♥]]</font></b></span> <sup>(<font color="#99BADD">♥ [[User talk:L'Origine du monde|Talk]]♥ </font>)</sup> 05:41, 9 September 2013 (UTC) |
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== Proposed change of Image for the user box == |
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Not quite sure how to do this, but I would like to suggest the substitution of [[L'Origine du monde]] for the blue ribbon as I think that expresses better the fight against censorship, and is relevant. Such a change would hopefully have the effect of reactivating this dormant group. While some might argue that this would be offensive, the size at which the image is displayed means this should not be a problem.<span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC;font-size:20px"><b><font color="#B6316C">[[User:L'Origine du monde|♥ L'Origine du monde ♥]]</font></b></span> <sup>(<font color="#99BADD">♥ [[User talk:L'Origine du monde|Talk]]♥ </font>)</sup> 06:23, 9 September 2013 (UTC) |
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:{{tl|User Gustave Courbet}} makes a good point I think.<span style="font-family:Edwardian Script ITC;font-size:20px"><b><font color="#B6316C">[[User:L'Origine du monde|♥ L'Origine du monde ♥]]</font></b></span> <sup>(<font color="#99BADD">♥ [[User talk:L'Origine du monde|Talk]]♥ </font>)</sup> 23:57, 23 September 2013 (UTC) |
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Dear Fellow Wikipedians, |
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== Removal of book by Koenraad Elst from Further reading section == |
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[[User:I JethroBT (WMF)|I JethroBT (WMF)]] suggested that I consult with fellow Wikipedians to get feedback and help to improve my idea about "As an unparalleled way to raise awareness of the Wikimedia projects, I propose to create a tremendous media opportunity presented by launching Wikipedia via space travel." |
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An RFC has been started because an user was insisting of removing a book by [[Koenraad Elst]] ("BJP vis-a-vis Hindu resurgence) from the Further reading section of the BJP article. |
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Please see the idea at {{url|https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Grants:IEG/Wikipedia_likes_Galactic_Exploration_for_Posterity_2015}}. Please post your suggestions on the talk page and please feel free to edit the idea and join the project. |
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The RFC ended with 3 votes in favor of keep and 2 votes for removal. |
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Thank you for your time and attention in this matter. I appreciate it. |
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Now an admin has closed the RFC as "delete". |
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My best regards, [[User:Geraldshields11|Geraldshields11]] ([[User talk:Geraldshields11|talk]]) 21:19, 15 October 2015 (UTC) |
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The only user in the discussion who was impartial (no history of editing in this topic area) voted for keep. All others, including the admin, have edited the topic area previously. Therefore I'm looking for the opinion of an impartial editor. Because the discussions are scattered over several pages, it is likely that the closing admin has not read all the arguments. The discussions are at: |
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== this looks like a dead project... == |
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: 1. [[User_talk:AmritasyaPutra/Archive1#Elst_at_ELN|talk page]], |
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: 2. [[Talk:Bharatiya_Janata_Party#RfC:_Can_this_book.28BJP_vis-a-vis_Hindu_Resurgence.29_on_BJP_by_Koenraad_Elst_be_added_to_further_reading_section_of_BJP_article_or_is_this_book_considered_fringe_theory.3F|RFC This talk page]] |
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: 3. [[Wikipedia:External_links/Noticeboard#Koenraad_Elst|External_links/Noticeboard]] |
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: 4. [[Talk:Bharatiya_Janata_Party#Koenraad_Elst_in_further_reading|Koenraad_Elst_in_further_reading]] |
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: 5. [[User_talk:Yaris678#RFC_Closure_at_Bharatiya_Janata_Party|RFC_Closure_at_Bharatiya_Janata_Party]] |
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: 6. [[Talk:Bharatiya_Janata_Party/Archive_3#Discussion|Discussion]] |
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: 7. [[Talk:Bharatiya_Janata_Party/Archive_2#Koenraad_Elst_and_LK_Advani_book|Talk:Bharatiya_Janata_Party/Archive_2#Koenraad_Elst_and_LK_Advani_book]] |
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or is it not ? I ve read up and down and see no activity. |
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I saw a huge membership list of 600 people most from before 2014, 1 addition 2015. |
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:It looks like we are discussing [[Special:Diff/621751052|this edit]] at [[Bharatiya Janata Party]]. That added a book to "further reading". The book has been removed by the consensus of editors on the article talk page (and an RfC). The removal is good, and arguing about it is disruptive. The removal is nothing to do with censorship. [[User:Johnuniq|Johnuniq]] ([[User talk:Johnuniq|talk]]) 11:37, 26 August 2014 (UTC) |
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I dont know and am waiting to find out, if anybody of the supposed 177 watchers really watches this page... |
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::Fine, I accept that. Since the removal was disputed also by other editors, all that was needed was a second opinion. Although I am not convinced that the consensus was for "delete" when the majority of votes was keep. This book would be notable, adds value because the pov is missing now in the section and is by an expert on the topic. Thanks again for looking at this. That the removal of a book by a controversial author has nothing to do with censorship is bound to be subjective. --[[User:Calypsomusic|Calypsomusic]] ([[User talk:Calypsomusic|talk]]) 12:27, 26 August 2014 (UTC) |
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More to the point, I am wondering why this project never took on censorship outside "indecency", which is a small part and not what comes first to people's mind usually. |
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:::I should have mentioned that it is not the single case of censorship which is worrying, if it would just be this isolated case I would not have worried and perhaps even agreed with it, but the fact that there is a pattern where Hindu or pro-Hindu views are censored on wikipedia. Here is an example of this pattern on wikipedia (taken from a wiki talkpage): |
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:{{Ping|Wuerzele}}Please see [[WT:WikiProject Freedom of speech]]. — '''[[User:Cirt|Cirt]]''' ([[User talk:Cirt|talk]]) 23:36, 29 October 2015 (UTC) |
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== [[Quantum_anthropology]] help == |
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Hi! I wrote an article about emerging field of anthropology and it is threaten by deletion (probably from people who are interested in another fields). So if somebody has a time for a quick view and discussion (keep or delete) the article will be glad! |
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<div class="usermessage"><center> '''Survey'''<br> |
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I am conducting a survey to understand if [[Koenraad Elst]] could be cited as a valid non biased source for the [[2002 Gujarat violence]],[[Babri Masjid]] and [[Ram Janmabhoomi]] articles.My personal opinion is that he represents [[Hindutva]] ideology and hence quotes from him will creep in bias in these articles.Since it is a Socio-religious issue.I will appreciate views from users of all religious - non religious followings. |
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Can we include [[Koenraad Elst]]'s comments as a valid NPOV factual/news source? |
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Please highlight with your comments on why we should and why we should not? Concise and responding to these questions.I will only allow the first para of your responses hare. |
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== Critical Topic/Subject Project == |
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* Answer here. <nowiki> ~~~~ </nowiki> |
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*Big..No..No ..He is not a first hand information source for Gujarat..while Aid Agencies,News agencies,HR organisations,Police,Government comments will have weight |
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This is a critical subject topic / project. There is also a seemingly increasing degree of censorship happening on Wikipedia articles by mob rule aka tyranny of (quite small) majorities. Why is this not receiving more attention??!! <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Fatbatsat|Fatbatsat]] ([[User talk:Fatbatsat#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fatbatsat|contribs]]) 11:22, 24 April 2022 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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--[[User:Calypsomusic|Calypsomusic]] ([[User talk:Calypsomusic|talk]]) 11:34, 1 September 2014 (UTC) |
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===Eskimo=== |
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== WikiProject X is live! == |
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The article titled eskimo is being repeatedly censored by a small group of users. The word means "one who nets snoeshoes" [see Goddard, 1984], but there is a folk etymology that it means "eaters of raw meat", hence it was thought to be a pejorative term by a lot of people for quite awhile. Some people, whether through this ignorance or for some other reason, nonetheles still consider it offensive, but it there is no actual replacement term which encompasses all Inuit and Yupik peoples (nor, arguably, the Aleut). |
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The aforesaid small group of users is concerned about political correctness, and repeatedly deletes or papers over references to the correct etymology, and removes any information connecting the false etymology to the perceived offensiveness of the word, and possible unintentional deception, i.e. appeal to ignorance (argumentum ad ignorantium). <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Fatbatsat|Fatbatsat]] ([[User talk:Fatbatsat#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Fatbatsat|contribs]]) 11:32, 24 April 2022 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Educational Reading |
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[[File:WikiProject X icon.svg|100px|right|link=Wikipedia:WikiProject X]] |
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* {{cite book | author = Donna Patrick | date = 10 June 2013 | title = Language, Politics, and Social Interaction in an Inuit Community | publisher = Walter de Gruyter | pages = 2– | isbn = 978-3-11-089770-8 | oclc = 1091560161 | url = https://books.google.com/books?id=HWYjAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA2}} |
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*{{cite book | editor = Archie Hobson | date = 2004 | title = The Oxford Dictionary of Difficult Words | publisher = Oxford University Press | pages = 160– | isbn = 978-0-19-517328-4 | oclc = 250009148 | url = https://books.google.com/books?id=Vm_mNJiflwgC&pg=PA160}} |
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*{{cite book | author1 = Constance Backhouse | author2 = Osgoode Society for Canadian Legal History | date = 1 January 1999 | title = Colour-coded: A Legal History of Racism in Canada, 1900-1950 | publisher = University of Toronto Press | pages = 27– | isbn = 978-0-8020-8286-2 | oclc = 247186607 | url = https://books.google.com/books?id=BZlsTAH7GWIC&pg=PA27}} |
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*{{cite book | author = John Steckley | date = 1 January 2008 | title = White Lies about the Inuit | publisher = University of Toronto Press | pages = 21– | isbn = 978-1-55111-875-8 | oclc = 1077854782 | url = https://books.google.com/books?id=i-osjdNH3g8C&pg=PA21}} |
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*{{cite book | last=McElroy | first=A. | title=Nunavut Generations: Change and Continuity in Canadian Inuit Communities | publisher=Waveland Press | year=2007 | isbn=978-1-4786-0961-2 | url=https://books.google.com/books?id=-WkbAAAAQBAJ&pg=PA8 | access-date=2021-11-05 | page=8}} |
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*{{cite book | author = Louis-Jacques Dorais | date = 2010 | title = Language of the Inuit: Syntax, Semantics, and Society in the Arctic | publisher = McGill-Queen's Press - MQUP | pages = 297– | isbn = 978-0-7735-3646-3 | oclc = 1048661404 | url = https://books.google.com/books?id=gkfdQpHUdh4C&pg=PA297}} |
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==Online News Act concerns== |
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Hello everyone! |
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There is a discussion that may be of interest to this Wikiproject at [[Wikipedia:Village pump (WMF)/Archive 6#Online News Act]]. Regards, <span style="border-radius:8em;padding:0 7px;background:orange">[[User:Thinker78|<span style="color:white">'''Thinker78'''</span>]]</span> [[User talk:Thinker78|(talk)]] 00:39, 23 August 2023 (UTC) |
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==About deletion of Behzad Qasemi (Hacktivist)== |
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{{ping|Garshaasp}}, I am starting this thread to address your post at [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:WikiProject_Wikipedians_against_censorship&diff=prev&oldid=1141586334 WikiProject Wikipedians against censorship]. There was a discussion about this deletion at [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Behzad Qasemi (Hacktivist)]]. |
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I understand your concerns as I also am in general concerned about the topic of censorship. At one point I may have wanted to include every possible article in Wikipedia. But nowadays I understand also why there is a limit in the articles published. There certainly needs to be a fair balance between censorship and inclusion. In Wikipedia there may not be a perfect balance as such balance is really a range of a gray area. Some editors favor [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Inclusionism inclusion], others favor [https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Deletionist deletion]. |
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Check the pages about [[WP:CONSENSUS|consensus]] and [[WP:BRD|the bold, revert, discuss cycle]] so your articles stand more chance of getting published or at least you know more about why they get rejected. |
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== New Notice: Art+Feminism Wikiproject == |
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(PS: To other editors, I know the editor is blocked but I respond out of principle because they contacted this wikiproject with their concerns beforehand and it's not possible to post in the talk page of a deleted page to keep it there, as guidance of this wikiproject otherwise states.) |
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Regards, <span style="border-radius:8em;padding:0 7px;background:orange">[[User:Thinker78|<span style="color:white">'''Thinker78'''</span>]]</span> [[User talk:Thinker78|(talk)]] 20:15, 7 October 2023 (UTC) |
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Reviving this notice board to premept some potential censorship problems. [[Wikipedia:Meetup/ArtAndFeminism]] is running an edit-a-thon over the weekend of March 7 and 8, 2015. It would be helpful to have some folks from '''Wikiedians against Censorship''' around to help avoid any unnecessarily aggressive deletions during the edit-a-thon (lots of new users, lots of potential for unconstructive, politically motivated actions against the articles). Hopefully, some of us are still around and available to help out. [[User:MisterB777|MisterB777]] ([[User talk:MisterB777|talk]]) 02:17, 8 February 2015 (UTC) |
Latest revision as of 20:16, 7 October 2023
This is the talk page for discussing WikiProject Wikipedians against censorship and anything related to its purposes and tasks. |
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Archives: 1, 2, 3Auto-archiving period: 3 months |
This project page was nominated for deletion on 12 March 2006. The result of the discussion was keep. |
Grants:IEG/Wikipedia likes Galactic Exploration for Posterity 2015
[edit]Dear Fellow Wikipedians,
I JethroBT (WMF) suggested that I consult with fellow Wikipedians to get feedback and help to improve my idea about "As an unparalleled way to raise awareness of the Wikimedia projects, I propose to create a tremendous media opportunity presented by launching Wikipedia via space travel."
Please see the idea at meta
Thank you for your time and attention in this matter. I appreciate it.
My best regards, Geraldshields11 (talk) 21:19, 15 October 2015 (UTC)
this looks like a dead project...
[edit]or is it not ? I ve read up and down and see no activity. I saw a huge membership list of 600 people most from before 2014, 1 addition 2015.
I dont know and am waiting to find out, if anybody of the supposed 177 watchers really watches this page...
More to the point, I am wondering why this project never took on censorship outside "indecency", which is a small part and not what comes first to people's mind usually. --Wuerzele (talk) 21:23, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
- @Wuerzele:Please see WT:WikiProject Freedom of speech. — Cirt (talk) 23:36, 29 October 2015 (UTC)
Quantum_anthropology help
[edit]Hi! I wrote an article about emerging field of anthropology and it is threaten by deletion (probably from people who are interested in another fields). So if somebody has a time for a quick view and discussion (keep or delete) the article will be glad! Wikiditor (talk) 08:53, 22 February 2016 (UTC)
Critical Topic/Subject Project
[edit]This is a critical subject topic / project. There is also a seemingly increasing degree of censorship happening on Wikipedia articles by mob rule aka tyranny of (quite small) majorities. Why is this not receiving more attention??!! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fatbatsat (talk • contribs) 11:22, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Eskimo
[edit]The article titled eskimo is being repeatedly censored by a small group of users. The word means "one who nets snoeshoes" [see Goddard, 1984], but there is a folk etymology that it means "eaters of raw meat", hence it was thought to be a pejorative term by a lot of people for quite awhile. Some people, whether through this ignorance or for some other reason, nonetheles still consider it offensive, but it there is no actual replacement term which encompasses all Inuit and Yupik peoples (nor, arguably, the Aleut). The aforesaid small group of users is concerned about political correctness, and repeatedly deletes or papers over references to the correct etymology, and removes any information connecting the false etymology to the perceived offensiveness of the word, and possible unintentional deception, i.e. appeal to ignorance (argumentum ad ignorantium). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Fatbatsat (talk • contribs) 11:32, 24 April 2022 (UTC)
Educational Reading
- Donna Patrick (10 June 2013). Language, Politics, and Social Interaction in an Inuit Community. Walter de Gruyter. pp. 2–. ISBN 978-3-11-089770-8. OCLC 1091560161.
- Archie Hobson, ed. (2004). The Oxford Dictionary of Difficult Words. Oxford University Press. pp. 160–. ISBN 978-0-19-517328-4. OCLC 250009148.
- Constance Backhouse; Osgoode Society for Canadian Legal History (1 January 1999). Colour-coded: A Legal History of Racism in Canada, 1900-1950. University of Toronto Press. pp. 27–. ISBN 978-0-8020-8286-2. OCLC 247186607.
- John Steckley (1 January 2008). White Lies about the Inuit. University of Toronto Press. pp. 21–. ISBN 978-1-55111-875-8. OCLC 1077854782.
- McElroy, A. (2007). Nunavut Generations: Change and Continuity in Canadian Inuit Communities. Waveland Press. p. 8. ISBN 978-1-4786-0961-2. Retrieved 2021-11-05.
- Louis-Jacques Dorais (2010). Language of the Inuit: Syntax, Semantics, and Society in the Arctic. McGill-Queen's Press - MQUP. pp. 297–. ISBN 978-0-7735-3646-3. OCLC 1048661404.
Online News Act concerns
[edit]There is a discussion that may be of interest to this Wikiproject at Wikipedia:Village pump (WMF)/Archive 6#Online News Act. Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 00:39, 23 August 2023 (UTC)
About deletion of Behzad Qasemi (Hacktivist)
[edit]@Garshaasp:, I am starting this thread to address your post at WikiProject Wikipedians against censorship. There was a discussion about this deletion at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Behzad Qasemi (Hacktivist).
I understand your concerns as I also am in general concerned about the topic of censorship. At one point I may have wanted to include every possible article in Wikipedia. But nowadays I understand also why there is a limit in the articles published. There certainly needs to be a fair balance between censorship and inclusion. In Wikipedia there may not be a perfect balance as such balance is really a range of a gray area. Some editors favor inclusion, others favor deletion.
Check the pages about consensus and the bold, revert, discuss cycle so your articles stand more chance of getting published or at least you know more about why they get rejected.
(PS: To other editors, I know the editor is blocked but I respond out of principle because they contacted this wikiproject with their concerns beforehand and it's not possible to post in the talk page of a deleted page to keep it there, as guidance of this wikiproject otherwise states.)
Regards, Thinker78 (talk) 20:15, 7 October 2023 (UTC)