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I normally use Wikipedia as reference for further research. However, I've been disturbed with whats taken place during the brief instance where I attempted to inject something into an article. It all started about 4 years ago, and without going into details, my contribution to an article about a sniper rifle amounted to this. "It's also known as James Bond's personal sniper rifle as seen in the film "The Living Daylights." Thats it, nothing of a disruptive nature, and nothing that wasn't true. After I posted that all hell broke loose. Normally I would have just let it go, but what I was saying was true and documented. I didn't see the reason why it wasn't allowed, other than the pride of the man who created the article. A man who obviously doesn't obey the "rules" set forth by Wikipedia, but blatantly shoves those rules back in everyone's face. It's like a man who enforces, with prejudice, the 1st of the 10 commandments but ignores the other 9 and the one hes enforcing when it suits his purpose. |
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<div class="user-block"> [[File:Stop x nuvola with clock.svg|40px|left]] You have been '''[[Wikipedia:Blocking policy|blocked]]''' from editing, for a period of '''48 hours''', for '''personal attacks'''. Once the block has expired, you are welcome to [[Wikipedia:Five pillars|make constructive contributions]]. If you would like to be unblocked, you may [[Wikipedia:Appealing a block|appeal the block]] by adding the text <!-- Copy the text as it appears on your page, not as it appears in this edit area. Do not include the "tlx" argument. -->{{tlx|unblock|Your reason here}} below, but you should read our [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]] first. [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] ([[User talk:Nick-D|talk]]) 03:39, 9 May 2010 (UTC)</div><!-- Template:uw-block1 --> |
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For further reading I direct you to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Walther_WA_2000 |
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Despite being warned previously [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Lbrad2001&action=historysubmit&diff=359615886&oldid=359550455], you have continued to make personal attacks against other editors in edits such as [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Walther_WA_2000&action=historysubmit&diff=359608472&oldid=359608398 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Walther_WA_2000&diff=next&oldid=360827738 this]. Comments in which you insist that only your preferred version of the article is acceptable such as [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Walther_WA_2000&diff=next&oldid=359608472 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Walther_WA_2000&diff=next&oldid=360802457 this] and [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Walther_WA_2000&diff=next&oldid=360834968 this] are also not acceptable as they run counter to Wikipedia's consensus-based editing culture. [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] ([[User talk:Nick-D|talk]]) 03:43, 9 May 2010 (UTC) |
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This has made me rethink using Wikipedia as a source for anything. The article I attempted to edit was an article about a rifle, nothing more. The amount of censorship and ridicule I endured for attempting to input one sentence into that article is bad enough. But what happens to articles that are much more important. Articles on Julius Caesar, Christianity, Nuclear Weapons etc. I look on all the articles I see on Wikipedia with extreme skepticism because of all this. Wikipedia is now an all boys club where they protect their own and bully off anyone who hasn't edited 1000 pages. Information control is dangerous. |
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I do not give my consent for any of this to be edited. I reserve the right to delete any comments that are offensive. This is a page where I get to express my beliefs. If a certain someone wants to troll me go back to the page you started on. [[User:Lbrad2001|Lbrad2001]] ([[User talk:Lbrad2001#top|talk]]) 04:59, 15 March 2013 (UTC) |
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{{{unblock reviewed|1=I have done nothing to violate wikipedias terms of use...I have been maliciously blocked by request of a certain user who disagrees with my edits, he has personally attacked me and not been penalized and yet I am penalized for making, what I will admit are sarcastic, remarks back. View the text of our converations for yourself. He tells me that my opinion does not matter, that the decision on my edit has already been made without taking my opinion into consideration. I point out to him how I feel that my opinion has merit and he simply says "no the rules say I am right". I disagree. The debate was about whether or not we should mention in the WA 2000 article that James Bond used it in a movie and in a video game. We are talking about an extremely rare weapon of which less than 200 were ever produced, and James Bond, one of the most famous fictional characters of all time, uses it twice as his personal sniper rifle. An actual WA 2000 was used in the movie. I'd like to know if the guy who is persecuting these attacks on me can name any other time it is seen on film, ESPECIALLY IN SUCH A HIGH PROFILE MOVIE. He tried to tell me that my reference in the article was not reputable while he himself has a source which is a dead link. If I am in the wrong here explain to me how he can reference a link which does not even exist but I cannot reference one that does? And why does the appearance of an extremely rare gun in one of the most popular movie franchises of all time not warrant mention?|decline=I am declining your request for unblock because it does not address the reason for your block, or because it is inadequate for other reasons. To be unblocked, you must convince the reviewing administrator(s) that |
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*the block is not necessary to prevent damage or disruption to Wikipedia, <u>or</u> |
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*the block is no longer necessary because you |
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**understand what you have been blocked for, |
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**will not continue to cause damage or disruption, and |
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**will make useful contributions instead. |
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Also read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Glock_pistol for evidence of how he's done this to others. [[User:Lbrad2001|Lbrad2001]] ([[User talk:Lbrad2001#top|talk]]) 05:36, 15 March 2013 (UTC) |
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Please read our [[Wikipedia:Guide to appealing blocks|guide to appealing blocks]] for more information. '''[[User:Fastily|<span style='font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color:#4B0082'><big>F</big><small>ASTILY<sub>sock</sub></small>]]'''<sup><small>[[User talk:Fastily|<font color="#4B0082">(T<small>ALK</small>)</font>]]</small></sup></span> 05:18, 9 May 2010 (UTC)}} |
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Its 2am and I'm still being ridiculed and threatened for one sentence post I made 4 years ago. If this isn't extreme censorship I don't know what is. All the admins I run into on this website seem to think that "the truth" of their little edits are their own little fiefdoms. And you can't edit anything without asking permission. True or not. It really doesn't matter, they'll use a dead link and call your's unreliable. [[User:Lbrad2001|Lbrad2001]] ([[User talk:Lbrad2001#top|talk]]) 06:11, 15 March 2013 (UTC) |
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{{unblock reviewed|1=May I also request that Nick-D not be involved in resolving this dispute, he obviously knows and is favoring the user I am arguing with. I would like an unbiased look at this. I wish I had never tried to argue with this guy to begin with, I simply tried to explain my point of view and have now been accused of personal attacks. Why is it that when I ask him for an explantion as to why one of his sources is a dead link he is not required to answer me in any way? Yet when I make an edit to the WA 2000 page I am subjected to a verbal inquisition?|decline=For future reference, please only make one request. Making multiple requests is not going to help you get unblocked. Also, you may find [[WP:NOTTHEM]] useful. When requesting to be unblocked, talk about yourself, not others, like you did above. - '''[[User:Fastily|<span style='font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color:#4B0082'><big>F</big><small>ASTILY<sub>sock</sub></small>]]'''<sup><small>[[User talk:Fastily|<font color="#4B0082">(T<small>ALK</small>)</font>]]</small></sup></span> 05:18, 9 May 2010 (UTC)}} |
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I love the flawless logic of the person I'm having an argument with. It works like this. |
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{{unblock reviewed|1=You guys are abusing your power. I simply asked for a reason as to why my information was not useable and why someone else can quote a source that does not exist while I cannot use one that does.|decline=We're not here to help you with your trivial content dispute. Please do not use this template again unless you address the reason for your block. Thanks. [[User:Kuru|<span style="font-family:Segoe print; color:#cd853f; text-shadow:gray 0.2em 0.2em 0.4em;">Kuru</span>]] [[User talk:Kuru|<span style="color:#f5deb3">''(talk)''</span>]] 14:51, 9 May 2010 (UTC)}} |
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"I'm right so I can delete your content as many times as I want and add whatever I want without citations." |
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"You're wrong so anything you add to the page is vandalism. Once I delete it, you can't put it back. However if you delete anything I added to the page its vandalism and I can add it back as much as I want.You have to explain your citations to my liking, but if my citation is a dead link I don't have to explain anything. It doesn't matter if you disagree and if you do it's vandalism. If anybody supports your arguments then you are a SOCK and should be banned for SOCKing and vandalism. Anybody who supports my argument is a vigilant protector of this page from vandalism" |
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I have looked at this dispute in some detail. In my opinion the controversial edit does not, in fact, qualify as notable under the terms set out in the pop culture section of [[WP:GUN]]. You may not - indeed clearly do not - agree with this, but to edit in wikipedia we have to follow guidelines and policies even if we do not agree with them. But your block is for incivility, and attack and insulting edits are never acceptable. --<font color="Red">[[User:Anthony.bradbury|'''Anthony.bradbury''']]</font><sup><font color="Black">[[User talk:Anthony.bradbury|"talk"]]</font></sup> 14:59, 9 May 2010 (UTC) |
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In other words if I touch the WA 2000 page in anyway its vandalism. He owns the article and controls all content on the page. I'd go into more details and put everything in bold type, cause that gives it so much more weight if I go by the person I'm disagreeing with, but I'm busy. |
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Fine I COMPLETELY DISAGREE and I will find a source that supports my claims and resubmit after I am unblocked, I still havent heard an explanation as to why he can be uncivil to me but I cant be uncivil back. For the record I wasnt trying to be uncivil, the man just wouldnt listen to my argument a all. But expected me to obey him when I think the rules supported my case. ([[User:Lbrad2001|Lbrad2001]] ([[User talk:Lbrad2001#top|talk]]) 23:06, 9 May 2010 (UTC)) |
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The history of the WA 2000 page will back up everything I'm saying.[[User:Lbrad2001|Lbrad2001]] ([[User talk:Lbrad2001#top|talk]]) 16:27, 15 March 2013 (UTC) |
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{{unblock reviewed|I feel I was unfairly blocked. I simply said I no longer wanted to argue with the user in question and I was done posting messages back and forth to him again and again. I was warned earlier for so called "personal attacks", I stopped said attacks and was still blocked.|decline=It's about more than the personal attacks. It's about your general approach to editing, as revealed [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Talk:Walther_WA_2000&diff=prev&oldid=360830828 here] and in comments below. Your edits are [[WP:TE|tendentious]] and borderline [[WP:DE|disruptive]]. Also, removing declined unblocks during the block is a major no-no. So, I'm not only declining this unblock, I'm revoking your talk page access for the duration as you have demonstrated you cannot use it productively. — [[User:Daniel Case|Daniel Case]] ([[User talk:Daniel Case|talk]]) 13:25, 10 May 2010 (UTC)}} |
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== CLEARED == |
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Removing declined unblocks is a good way to make everyone question whether you are really here to participate in good faith at all. [[WP:BLANKING]] would be a good thing to reagd while you wait out your block. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 05:37, 10 May 2010 (UTC) |
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I've finally been cleared of all the BS charges that were made. This has been an absolutely ridiculous witch hunt perpetrated by people who want to stop 1 sentence from being added to a page about a sniper rifle. Incidentally the main user that accused me is now the target of several investigations into his bullying tactics and I hope to see him punished for his actions. |
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'''WA 2000 Article'''(my point of view) |
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I would welcome talking to anyone who has been the victim of Wiki bullying as I have. For some sick reason weak minded people feel the need to beat up on people that have something to say that they don't agree with. |
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All I wanted to do was point out in the WA 2000 article that James Bond used that weapon both in a video game and in a movie. I realize that pop culture references generally are not mentioned, but when you are talking about such a rare weapon, and it happens to be the personal rifle of one of the most famous fictional characters of all time I think it warrants mention. I mean I'm not talking about an M16 which must be in thousands of movies I'm talking about an extremely rare weapon. However the user in question did not consult with me, he simply undid my edit and told me it was unexceptable. I was left in the situation of either arguing with him, which I did and was banned for making personal attacks, or not arguing with him in which case he would accuse me of not agreeing with the consensus which appears to be only him. I checked the history of that article and he seems to undo every edit that anyone makes. I just think that it is unfair that he gets to simply undo my edit and there is nothing I can do about it. When he accused me of using an unreliable source, I simply pointed out to him that one of his own sources was a dead link, and this is one of the things that was called a personal attack.([[User:Lbrad2001|Lbrad2001]] ([[User talk:Lbrad2001#top|talk]]) 05:44, 10 May 2010 (UTC)) |
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It sure may feel like that. As I see it, you got into a hole, which is frustrating especially if you know you're right, but are gradually making things worse. Here's the key: "he was behaving badly ''too''" isn't the same as "I wasn't behaving badly"...you ''were'' despite and after warnings according to my reading of the the diffs Nick-D posted, and so that's the block. If others ''also'' have problems, that's a separate issue. You say you have refs to support your content ideas, and the problems you claim exist with others' refs do sound important to consider. The block is strictly for behavior ''regardless of ultimate validity of the concern''. Once the block has expired, please do bring up your concern in a [[WP:CIVIL|civil]] way so that the matter can be discussed. If others refuse to behave in an appropriate manner, there are lots of ways to resolve that without you getting dragged down. [[User:DMacks|DMacks]] ([[User talk:DMacks|talk]]) 06:06, 10 May 2010 (UTC) |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Lbrad2001 |
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Thankyou, you are the first person to actually treat me in a civil manner in this matter, and I have no problem being civil as long as I am treated that way in return. However you are correct I let my frustrations get the better of me and probably responded in ways I should not have ([[User:Lbrad2001|Lbrad2001]] ([[User talk:Lbrad2001#top|talk]]) 06:16, 10 May 2010 (UTC)) |
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==Check User== |
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: "''I have no problem being civil as long as I am treated that way in return''"? You'll run into problems forever then ... life is not about tit-for-tat fairness and equitable treatment. It requires one party to break the cycle, and actually lead by example. In the anonymity that is the internet, this is even moreso. You literally have to turn the other cheek when faced with others' incivility...and as I have always said, "previous incivility may ''explain'' your own incivility, but it can never ''excuse'' it" ([[User talk:Bwilkins|<font style="font-variant:small-caps">talk→</font>]]<span style="border:1px solid black;">''' [[User:Bwilkins|BWilkins]] '''</span>[[Special:Contributions/Bwilkins|<font style="font-variant:small-caps">←track</font>]]) 09:37, 10 May 2010 (UTC) |
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This guy won't give up. This is getting near an insane level of stalking and harassment. It's getting really pathetic and embarrassing for someone who can't back up anything he's saying unless he has friends to do it for him. |
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::Indeed, your statement of ''"I have no problem being civil as long as I am treated that way in return"'' is not encouraging. I would advise you check our civilty policy, and our policy on operating based on consensus. You may find those here: [[WP:CIV]], [[WP:CON]]. If you indicate that you understand them and will abide by them, it may help your request for unblock. Hope this helps, --'''[[User:Taelus|<font color="#007FAA">Taelus</font>]]''' ([[User talk:Taelus|<font color="#AA22CC">'''Talk'''</font>]]) 10:45, 10 May 2010 (UTC) |
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Here he is threatening me again even though he just tried to report me and it failed. |
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:::Hello. I would encourage any administrators involved in this discussion to look at [[Special:Contributions/Jakebradson]], another "brad" user created shortly after Lbrad2001's block was extended. Similar to the previous "brad" user, this user's only edits (2 so far) are to add and argue for the inclusion of James Bond trivia at [[Walther WA 2000]]. He also signs his comments in the same exact manner as the first "brad", putting parentheses around his entire signature line. A third user (absent from editing since March 2009, suddenly editing now) has also started adding the exact same trivia material to the article. When I pointed this third user to the previous discussion at [[Talk:Walther WA 2000]], he attempted to blank the article's talk page. [[User:ROG5728|ROG5728]] ([[User talk:ROG5728|talk]]) 07:13, 11 May 2010 (UTC) |
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"The CU was declined because the other accounts are old ("stale"). Regardless, edit warring and/or hopping from one IP to another is still against Wikipedia policy, and could earn you a block if you continue." ROG5728 (talk) 03:13, 17 March 2013 (UTC) |
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== Response to email == |
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So is threatening people ROG5728 |
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Hi Brad, |
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Thanks for your email. I hope that you don't mind me posting the following: |
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:''1.I admit that my arguments with him were in appropriate and I am willing to let it go and be the better man in this situation.'' |
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:''1. When my ban is lifted I will agree to no longer edit the WA 2000 page or any other page unless I am able to back it up with references of note that meet the criteria that has been layed out.'' |
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'''BOLD LETTERS MEAN A LOT''' according to this dude, '''HES DEADLY SERIOUS WHEN HE TYPES IN BOLD'''. |
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Those comments and views are very helpful and will stand you in good stead in the future. |
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Let me make something clear because evidently some people don't understand. There's this thing called sarcasm and I use it a lot. I should probably stop however because certain people, who will remain nameless, are not intelligent enough to pick up on it. [[User:Lbrad2001|Lbrad2001]] ([[User talk:Lbrad2001#top|talk]]) 14:42, 17 March 2013 (UTC) |
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:''2.I was given a second ban for blanking my talk page, I was unaware I was not allowed to do this as I read you yourself say I could do whatever I wanted with my talk page. Once the ban is lifted exactly what am I required to leave and what am I allowed to delete?'' |
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Proof of a pattern of behavior |
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You can remove anything from your talk page, but removing declined unblock requests is a bad idea as it makes it look like you're trying to hide these from other admins. In general, you're best off never removing anything from your talk page. |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Glock#Violence_Policy_Center_.2F_Mass_Murder_addition |
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:''3.ROG5728 has made several accusations on my talk page. Some people have sided with me in this argument and he has accused me on my talk page of sockpuppeting. I made no such accusations or comments of any kind on his page when people sided with him. I would think this would fall under the same category of personal attack that I have been blocked for. I just want to drop the whole thing, but I would like him be disallowed from making accusations on my page.'' |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Lbrad2001 |
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I hope that you haven't been using multiple accounts. Given how new you are to Wikipedia I can understand it if you were unaware that you shouldn't use multiple accounts. [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] ([[User talk:Nick-D|talk]]) 10:02, 11 May 2010 (UTC) |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Walther_WA_2000 |
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:Judging from your email it appears that you are willing to enter into good faith discussions. As a result, I've lifted the block on you posting on this talk page. [[User:Nick-D|Nick-D]] ([[User talk:Nick-D|talk]]) 10:11, 11 May 2010 (UTC) |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Glock_pistol |
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I would ask that anyone who chimes in on these events actually look at whats happened from the beginning. My temper has flared at times, and I wish I had kept it more in check, but I have been being provoked by continual attacks from multiple people sicked on me by one user. There's also multiple occasions of other users ignoring the rules of wikipedia, and dismissing that as being inappropriate by saying, and I'm paraphrasing "oh well you're a vandal, we can treat you anyway we wish and it isn't a violation." An example would be the 3RR rule. I was accused of violating it because the sentence I placed in a certain article was removed three times in one night and I revert'd it back to it being included every time. So that means he violated 3RR and so did I. He's trying to claim that I'm the only one who broke the rules because he can revert me as many times as he wants since I'm a vandal. Keep in mind the fact I put in the article was one sentence long and its not in dispute that its true. The only thing in dispute is whether its relevant or not, but he took it upon himself to just start deleting my stuff without discussion or consensus from anyone. He then dismissed the other users who supported me, including admins, as being irrelevant. He did not feel that the users and admins that sided with him are irrelevant. I definately have not been in the right with everything I have said, but neither have those parties that have attacked me. I also feel like my intentions were always to act with good faith, but that has not been the case with the way others have treated me. This consistent approach to attempt to control information to such a degree that a one sentence long truthful statement is suppressed and attempts made to permablock me for attempting to keep it in the article is highly dangerous to the existence of freedom of thought on wikipedia. It's also disturbing that the user in question had an entire paragraph cited with a dead link but he didnt feel the need to have that removed and tried to have me blocked for that as well. Thankgod another admin stepped in and removed it himself because if I had tried to remove it I know damnwell he would just 3RR that to death and say it was justified because I'm a vandal. [[User:Lbrad2001|Lbrad2001]] ([[User talk:Lbrad2001#top|talk]]) 00:13, 19 March 2013 (UTC) |
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== List of James Bond firearms == |
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The Walther WA 2000 rifle is in the following list: [[List of James Bond firearms]], which is linked from that article. It does not really belong in the article on the rifle for its brief few minutes of screen time and the folks at the movie project don't seem to want it in [[The Living Daylights]] article. I remember seeing that movie in the theater when it first came out and recognized the Walther right away for what it was, but this gets into the realm of trivia. It is simply not Bond's PPK, Riggs' Beretta 92 or Dirty Harry's Model 29. If you are interested in improving the encyclopedia, maybe you might want to take a look at that list and help clean it up. If you're a bonafide film buff who knows his guns, you may want to help out over at imfdb.com, I apologize if you feel you are being censored, but it is not the case.--[[User:Mike Searson|'''Mike''']] - [[User_talk:Mike_Searson|'''Μολὼν λαβέ''']] 00:09, 19 March 2013 (UTC) |
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I respect your statement on that, and I have no problem talking in a civilized manner when I'm addressed in a civilized manner. I would argue that the Beretta 92 is not as signifigant as the Walther 2000 simply because the Beretta has beeen used in so many movies and is undistinguishable from a lot of pistols. The Walther 2000 is such a unique weapon and looks like no other rifle I've ever seen. But I see your point and I respect your position. I'll definately take your recommendation and look into another venue for my information. It's also extremely likely the Bond will eventually use that rifle in another film and perhaps in more depth. At that point, or if I find sources that otherwise confirm its relevance I will revisit the topic. For right now I'd just as soon let the thing go. If I find evidence I will discuss it on the talk page for WA 2000 and not attempt to insert it and get into another edit war that I have no desire to be a part of. [[User:Lbrad2001|Lbrad2001]] ([[User talk:Lbrad2001#top|talk]]) 00:26, 19 March 2013 (UTC) |
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:Fair enough. For the record, I did search on Google Books and a few other places and not much has been reported in the press about this rifle and that particular film. With regard to the Beretta in Lethal Weapon...it was responsible for a lot of sales for that pistol, that's what could make that notable..although still nothing like Quigley's Sharps Rifle or Dirty Harry's Model 29 which caused that gun to be backordered for years and boosted sales of Ruger's then, new Redhawk. Same with the PPK...everyone I've known who owns one owns it because of either Bond or Hitler. In 26 years I have never heard as much as one person say they want a Walther WA2000, much less becaue timothy Dalton used it in a Bond flick. I'll grant its a cool looking rifle, but that's about it.--[[User:Mike Searson|'''Mike''']] - [[User_talk:Mike_Searson|'''Μολὼν λαβέ''']] 00:32, 19 March 2013 (UTC) |
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::True enough. I own a PPK with suppressor myself, and that's exactly why. I have heard from people who see the WA 2000 in pictures or in video games and remember it from that movie. The WA 2000's sales can't be affected because its so rare. I'd also point out that "The Living Daylights" made more money than either "Die Hard" or "Lethal Weapon" which came out the same year. [[User:Lbrad2001|Lbrad2001]] ([[User talk:Lbrad2001#top|talk]]) 00:43, 19 March 2013 (UTC) |
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:::I'm sure it did well at the Box Office (actually I remember Die Hard coming out the following Summer) but that has nothing to do with the status of the rifle among fans of the film. I don't see Daniel Craig toting one anytime soon (although I'll admit it would be cool if he did, but his Bond seems to be more an HK guy with regard to rifles or smgs). What can are you running on the PPK? I run an AAC EVO on my 45s.--[[User:Mike Searson|'''Mike''']] - [[User_talk:Mike_Searson|'''Μολὼν λαβέ''']] 01:09, 19 March 2013 (UTC) |
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I'm a big James Bond nut and have been since I was a little kid. Which I'm sure makes me a bit biased. However, all the times that I've watched The Living Daylights with people, I always here them say "what kind of f***ing gun is that?" But you are right, thats not enough evidence to place it in the article. That was just the original reason why I tried in the first place. |
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Daniel Craig already carried one in the video game for Quantum of Solace. It was also included in Modern Warfare 2. James Bond is always associated with Walther, and has even carried a wide variety of Walther pistols. It's true that he has used a variety of guns in the movies but usually those are guns he picks up off the ground or something. The weapons he actually starts the films with are usually Walthers. Casino Royale marked the first movie in which the series was actually rebooted. Before that all the different actors were supposed to be the same person. Slowly but surely they have been putting in various things to get Bond back to being the old familiar James Bond. Moneypenny and Q appeared in Skyfall. M's office also made an appearance in a style thats almost a duplicate of how it looked in Dr. NO. Now they are going to film the next two bond movies back to back and its rumored, and hoped by most of the fans like me, that Ernst Stavro Blofeld will make a return to the franchise for the first official time since 1970. [[User:Lbrad2001|Lbrad2001]] ([[User talk:Lbrad2001#top|talk]]) 16:28, 19 March 2013 (UTC) |
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Censorship
[edit]I normally use Wikipedia as reference for further research. However, I've been disturbed with whats taken place during the brief instance where I attempted to inject something into an article. It all started about 4 years ago, and without going into details, my contribution to an article about a sniper rifle amounted to this. "It's also known as James Bond's personal sniper rifle as seen in the film "The Living Daylights." Thats it, nothing of a disruptive nature, and nothing that wasn't true. After I posted that all hell broke loose. Normally I would have just let it go, but what I was saying was true and documented. I didn't see the reason why it wasn't allowed, other than the pride of the man who created the article. A man who obviously doesn't obey the "rules" set forth by Wikipedia, but blatantly shoves those rules back in everyone's face. It's like a man who enforces, with prejudice, the 1st of the 10 commandments but ignores the other 9 and the one hes enforcing when it suits his purpose.
For further reading I direct you to http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Walther_WA_2000
This has made me rethink using Wikipedia as a source for anything. The article I attempted to edit was an article about a rifle, nothing more. The amount of censorship and ridicule I endured for attempting to input one sentence into that article is bad enough. But what happens to articles that are much more important. Articles on Julius Caesar, Christianity, Nuclear Weapons etc. I look on all the articles I see on Wikipedia with extreme skepticism because of all this. Wikipedia is now an all boys club where they protect their own and bully off anyone who hasn't edited 1000 pages. Information control is dangerous.
I do not give my consent for any of this to be edited. I reserve the right to delete any comments that are offensive. This is a page where I get to express my beliefs. If a certain someone wants to troll me go back to the page you started on. Lbrad2001 (talk) 04:59, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Also read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Glock_pistol for evidence of how he's done this to others. Lbrad2001 (talk) 05:36, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
Its 2am and I'm still being ridiculed and threatened for one sentence post I made 4 years ago. If this isn't extreme censorship I don't know what is. All the admins I run into on this website seem to think that "the truth" of their little edits are their own little fiefdoms. And you can't edit anything without asking permission. True or not. It really doesn't matter, they'll use a dead link and call your's unreliable. Lbrad2001 (talk) 06:11, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
I love the flawless logic of the person I'm having an argument with. It works like this. "I'm right so I can delete your content as many times as I want and add whatever I want without citations."
"You're wrong so anything you add to the page is vandalism. Once I delete it, you can't put it back. However if you delete anything I added to the page its vandalism and I can add it back as much as I want.You have to explain your citations to my liking, but if my citation is a dead link I don't have to explain anything. It doesn't matter if you disagree and if you do it's vandalism. If anybody supports your arguments then you are a SOCK and should be banned for SOCKing and vandalism. Anybody who supports my argument is a vigilant protector of this page from vandalism"
In other words if I touch the WA 2000 page in anyway its vandalism. He owns the article and controls all content on the page. I'd go into more details and put everything in bold type, cause that gives it so much more weight if I go by the person I'm disagreeing with, but I'm busy.
The history of the WA 2000 page will back up everything I'm saying.Lbrad2001 (talk) 16:27, 15 March 2013 (UTC)
CLEARED
[edit]I've finally been cleared of all the BS charges that were made. This has been an absolutely ridiculous witch hunt perpetrated by people who want to stop 1 sentence from being added to a page about a sniper rifle. Incidentally the main user that accused me is now the target of several investigations into his bullying tactics and I hope to see him punished for his actions.
I would welcome talking to anyone who has been the victim of Wiki bullying as I have. For some sick reason weak minded people feel the need to beat up on people that have something to say that they don't agree with.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Lbrad2001
Check User
[edit]This guy won't give up. This is getting near an insane level of stalking and harassment. It's getting really pathetic and embarrassing for someone who can't back up anything he's saying unless he has friends to do it for him.
Here he is threatening me again even though he just tried to report me and it failed.
"The CU was declined because the other accounts are old ("stale"). Regardless, edit warring and/or hopping from one IP to another is still against Wikipedia policy, and could earn you a block if you continue." ROG5728 (talk) 03:13, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
So is threatening people ROG5728
BOLD LETTERS MEAN A LOT according to this dude, HES DEADLY SERIOUS WHEN HE TYPES IN BOLD.
Let me make something clear because evidently some people don't understand. There's this thing called sarcasm and I use it a lot. I should probably stop however because certain people, who will remain nameless, are not intelligent enough to pick up on it. Lbrad2001 (talk) 14:42, 17 March 2013 (UTC)
Proof of a pattern of behavior
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Glock#Violence_Policy_Center_.2F_Mass_Murder_addition
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Sockpuppet_investigations/Lbrad2001
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Walther_WA_2000
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Glock_pistol
I would ask that anyone who chimes in on these events actually look at whats happened from the beginning. My temper has flared at times, and I wish I had kept it more in check, but I have been being provoked by continual attacks from multiple people sicked on me by one user. There's also multiple occasions of other users ignoring the rules of wikipedia, and dismissing that as being inappropriate by saying, and I'm paraphrasing "oh well you're a vandal, we can treat you anyway we wish and it isn't a violation." An example would be the 3RR rule. I was accused of violating it because the sentence I placed in a certain article was removed three times in one night and I revert'd it back to it being included every time. So that means he violated 3RR and so did I. He's trying to claim that I'm the only one who broke the rules because he can revert me as many times as he wants since I'm a vandal. Keep in mind the fact I put in the article was one sentence long and its not in dispute that its true. The only thing in dispute is whether its relevant or not, but he took it upon himself to just start deleting my stuff without discussion or consensus from anyone. He then dismissed the other users who supported me, including admins, as being irrelevant. He did not feel that the users and admins that sided with him are irrelevant. I definately have not been in the right with everything I have said, but neither have those parties that have attacked me. I also feel like my intentions were always to act with good faith, but that has not been the case with the way others have treated me. This consistent approach to attempt to control information to such a degree that a one sentence long truthful statement is suppressed and attempts made to permablock me for attempting to keep it in the article is highly dangerous to the existence of freedom of thought on wikipedia. It's also disturbing that the user in question had an entire paragraph cited with a dead link but he didnt feel the need to have that removed and tried to have me blocked for that as well. Thankgod another admin stepped in and removed it himself because if I had tried to remove it I know damnwell he would just 3RR that to death and say it was justified because I'm a vandal. Lbrad2001 (talk) 00:13, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
List of James Bond firearms
[edit]The Walther WA 2000 rifle is in the following list: List of James Bond firearms, which is linked from that article. It does not really belong in the article on the rifle for its brief few minutes of screen time and the folks at the movie project don't seem to want it in The Living Daylights article. I remember seeing that movie in the theater when it first came out and recognized the Walther right away for what it was, but this gets into the realm of trivia. It is simply not Bond's PPK, Riggs' Beretta 92 or Dirty Harry's Model 29. If you are interested in improving the encyclopedia, maybe you might want to take a look at that list and help clean it up. If you're a bonafide film buff who knows his guns, you may want to help out over at imfdb.com, I apologize if you feel you are being censored, but it is not the case.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 00:09, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
I respect your statement on that, and I have no problem talking in a civilized manner when I'm addressed in a civilized manner. I would argue that the Beretta 92 is not as signifigant as the Walther 2000 simply because the Beretta has beeen used in so many movies and is undistinguishable from a lot of pistols. The Walther 2000 is such a unique weapon and looks like no other rifle I've ever seen. But I see your point and I respect your position. I'll definately take your recommendation and look into another venue for my information. It's also extremely likely the Bond will eventually use that rifle in another film and perhaps in more depth. At that point, or if I find sources that otherwise confirm its relevance I will revisit the topic. For right now I'd just as soon let the thing go. If I find evidence I will discuss it on the talk page for WA 2000 and not attempt to insert it and get into another edit war that I have no desire to be a part of. Lbrad2001 (talk) 00:26, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
- Fair enough. For the record, I did search on Google Books and a few other places and not much has been reported in the press about this rifle and that particular film. With regard to the Beretta in Lethal Weapon...it was responsible for a lot of sales for that pistol, that's what could make that notable..although still nothing like Quigley's Sharps Rifle or Dirty Harry's Model 29 which caused that gun to be backordered for years and boosted sales of Ruger's then, new Redhawk. Same with the PPK...everyone I've known who owns one owns it because of either Bond or Hitler. In 26 years I have never heard as much as one person say they want a Walther WA2000, much less becaue timothy Dalton used it in a Bond flick. I'll grant its a cool looking rifle, but that's about it.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 00:32, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
- True enough. I own a PPK with suppressor myself, and that's exactly why. I have heard from people who see the WA 2000 in pictures or in video games and remember it from that movie. The WA 2000's sales can't be affected because its so rare. I'd also point out that "The Living Daylights" made more money than either "Die Hard" or "Lethal Weapon" which came out the same year. Lbrad2001 (talk) 00:43, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
- I'm sure it did well at the Box Office (actually I remember Die Hard coming out the following Summer) but that has nothing to do with the status of the rifle among fans of the film. I don't see Daniel Craig toting one anytime soon (although I'll admit it would be cool if he did, but his Bond seems to be more an HK guy with regard to rifles or smgs). What can are you running on the PPK? I run an AAC EVO on my 45s.--Mike - Μολὼν λαβέ 01:09, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
- True enough. I own a PPK with suppressor myself, and that's exactly why. I have heard from people who see the WA 2000 in pictures or in video games and remember it from that movie. The WA 2000's sales can't be affected because its so rare. I'd also point out that "The Living Daylights" made more money than either "Die Hard" or "Lethal Weapon" which came out the same year. Lbrad2001 (talk) 00:43, 19 March 2013 (UTC)
I'm a big James Bond nut and have been since I was a little kid. Which I'm sure makes me a bit biased. However, all the times that I've watched The Living Daylights with people, I always here them say "what kind of f***ing gun is that?" But you are right, thats not enough evidence to place it in the article. That was just the original reason why I tried in the first place.
Daniel Craig already carried one in the video game for Quantum of Solace. It was also included in Modern Warfare 2. James Bond is always associated with Walther, and has even carried a wide variety of Walther pistols. It's true that he has used a variety of guns in the movies but usually those are guns he picks up off the ground or something. The weapons he actually starts the films with are usually Walthers. Casino Royale marked the first movie in which the series was actually rebooted. Before that all the different actors were supposed to be the same person. Slowly but surely they have been putting in various things to get Bond back to being the old familiar James Bond. Moneypenny and Q appeared in Skyfall. M's office also made an appearance in a style thats almost a duplicate of how it looked in Dr. NO. Now they are going to film the next two bond movies back to back and its rumored, and hoped by most of the fans like me, that Ernst Stavro Blofeld will make a return to the franchise for the first official time since 1970. Lbrad2001 (talk) 16:28, 19 March 2013 (UTC)