Talk:Boise, Idaho/Archive 1

Archive 1

Climate

Surely it isn't cold enough to be a continental climate? It would be a cool semi-arid climate with a wide temperature range, but not truly continental.Disintegration1989 (talk) 09:49, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

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==Pronounced BOY-See==life long resident of idaho and it is pronounced boy - see not boy - zee! can't figure out where you get boyzee from boise Life long resident of Boise - there is no controversy that I've heard on how to properly pronounce Boise. I like cheese and bread. It is boy-see. I've never heard a local pronounce it with a z, or claim that you could go either way.

Seriously, since when does a city article include the nicknames... especially the ones that no one seems to have heard of before? I nominate the deletion of it, simply because it doesn't seem professional nor portrays a positive image of Boise. Cutlerite 19:47, 1 May 2006 (UTC)

The people writing the Chicago and New York City pages don't seem to have a problem discussing their cities nicknames. These are a few examples. Is Chi-town unprofessional as well?

Pronounced boy-see

Can somebody tell me, is it pronounced "Boys", or "Boys-ee"? (Or something else?) GRAHAMUK 11:57, 27 Oct 2003 (UTC)

It's pronounces "Boys-ee" or "Boy-zee". -- 67.75.231.4

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depends on the native to boise. I think If you've lived in boise your whole life, you pronounce it Boy-See, but only if you're older. Young natives say Boysee OR Boyzee, but as a californian, i've never heard any non-idahoans pronounce it Boysee.

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Natives will argue it is always pronounced "Boy-see" never "Boy-zee". -JonMoore 10:03, 21 Jan 2004 (UTC)

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Propose to merge the article Boise City, Idaho into this one and to modify the appropriate links on that page. Any objections? --CeltMDC 20:40, 15 Mar 2004 (UTC)

As a former Boise resident this seems appropriate, I have never heard it referred to as "Boise City" in a standalone form (although this may be official) --JonMoore 04:56, 17 Mar 2004 (UTC)

No, no, no. It is always pronounced "Boy-Zee." The only people who say "Boy-See" are not from Idaho.

"No, no, no..." Whoever you are, YOU are not from Boise if you pronounce it Boy-zee. It is always Boy-see, ALWAYS. There is no Z in Boise. Mkay? --Boiseshutterbug

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I grew up (1960's-1970's) in a town within a 30-mile radius of Boise. Both my parents were born in southern Idaho and went to high school in Boise (when both their families moved there). One of my grandparents was born within the 30-mile radius of Boise. I grew up hearing (and using) the pronunciation Boy-See rather than Boy-Zee in my family and among my friends at school. My observation is that people who have not grown up in the Boise valley generally use the Boy-Zee pronunciation, and people who have grown up there use the Boy-See pronunciation. There are many people who have grown up in the Boise area who use the Boy-Zee pronunciation, however. I suspect this may be related to how recently the family has moved to the Boise area. My experience in traveling is that the Boy-See pronunciation is rarely heard outside the Boise area (unless the speaker grew up there and moved away as an adult). When I am outside the Boise area -- I went to undergraduate and graduate school "back east" -- my Boy-See pronunciation is something that people have frequently remarked on in my speech. If current local Boise media pronunciation (radio and TV news, public affairs, and advertising) is any indication of a local standard, my impression is that Boy-See is used far more frequently than Boy-Zee is. Turophile 04:14, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

You are correct, the person who wrote the comments above yours was anonymous and also vandalized some pages (i checked it soon after they wrote it) __[[User:JonMoore|JON, Conqueror of Men - (Talk to Me, Baby!)]] 04:47, 22 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Sir, Last time I checked, the Wikipedia's purpose was not to convey inaccurate or incorrect information. Yet, you seem to be on a mission to do that very thing.

The pronunciation of the city is simple: "Boy-see." There is not letter "z" in the French word Bois, which is the root of the city's name.

Your compromise is not based in factual reality. The passage should, quite simply, read: Boise (pronounced "Boy-see")...

I work in television news in the Boise area -- and we get a FLOOD of calls whenever a new reporter pronounces the name of the city wrong.

Perhaps I should add to the following articles:

• Oregon (pronounced Ore-uh-gun by natives, or Ore-uh-gone by people who don't know better)
• Nevada (pronounced Nev-add-uh by natives, or Nev-ah-duh by people who don't know better)
• Spokane (pronounced Spoke-ann by natives, or Spo-kane by people who don't know better)

Everyone in this thread has made the point that the pronunciation is Boy-see but you sir. Do you think you are the ultimate arbiter of the Wiki?

Boisemedia 21:21, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I was, Sir, simply trying to convey that there are more than one opinion of how the name is pronounced. Having previously lived in Boise for a number of years, I agree most natives pronounce the word "BOY-see". The etymology of the word is from the French boisé, pronounced "bwah-ZAY" or something similar, which means "wooded". This information is from the Idaho Historical Society.

I myself, out of personal preference, do pronounce it "BOY-see" and was simply trying to give all opinions equal time. I believe that is what Wikipedia is about. Being fair and equal. I would rather work with you rather than against you to make a good Wikipedia article for Boise. If you so feel to only give one side of the debate, than by all means, revert it. If you wish to, in good journalistic fashion, present all sides of the coin, then leave it as I wrote. I leave it in your hands. Thank You. [[User:JonMoore|Jon, Conqueror of Men | (Talk!)]] 21:46, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I would simply point you to the City of Boise's official website http://www.cityofboise.org/public_information/. That seems to make it pretty clear. Both sides of the coin are now presented, in neutral fashion.

Boisemedia 22:08, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I actually apologize. I wrote this, submitted it, then thought for a bit, tried to change it and resubmit, but Wikipedia crashed my computer, and it didn't go through. As I said, I would like to work to make this a good page.

If you feel that strongly about the pronounciation, it is not important enough to me to get into a flame/edit /revert war over it with you. I simply wanted to present that natives feel it is always pronounce "BOY-see", which we seem to agree upon, and that many people also pronounce it "BOY-zee" I have bigger fish to fry, as they say. Please do as you like.

[[User:JonMoore|Jon, Conqueror of Men | (Talk!)]] 23:43, 26 Dec 2004 (UTC)

i'm living outside boise right now, and everyone calls it boy-zee, and i always correct them. but really not many people care that much. i think that us boy-"see" people have a lot of pride about our name, which i do too, but i've noticed that mostly people just get annoyed.

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This conversation is ridiculous. If Wikipedia is about presenting factual information, then it should be said that people generally pronounce the city's name in one of two ways, and then list both those ways. These pronunciations aren't opinions, they aren't wrong, they're the way people pronounce the name. Wikipedia shouldn't be prescribing one prounciation based on the linguistic preconceptions of any particular person, whether that person has been a lifetime resident or happens to work in the local media.

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Although natives call is "Boi-see" and attest that this is correct, the actual French pronunciation is with a "Z". No matter though; it really is true that those who arent native use a Z sound and those who live here use an S sound...we can tell the difference.

The actual French pronounciation (forgive my attempt at English phonetics!) would be something like Bwa-say... so it really doesn't matter because neither version is even close! Nonetheless, I've always heard it as Boy-zee but then again, I don't know any natives. Convention would have the official pronounciation as pronounced by the natives. I vote for "S" and leave it at that. 66.183.217.31 22:27, 5 March 2007 (UTC)

Good point.--Atomicskier 00:32, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

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I was born and grew up here in the 70's, am a fourth generation Idahoan, and say BoiZEE more often than Boysee, as do many of my friends. The first is easier to say, and in general westerners prefer the lazy way of speaking. They both mean the same thing to me. I think that to stress the pronunciation is a silly litmus test that implies a self-indulgent pride in being native that has risen of late.

Ridahoan (talk) 14:28, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Boise Population

I heard a news report tonight (I live in Boise) which put Boise's population - individually, not the metropolitan area - over 200,000, which makes it the 3rd largest city in the northwest (passing Spokane and Tacoma, and making it third only to Seattle and Portland, respectively). I don't have the time to dig up the specific study or numbers at the moment, but if someone would like to look into it, it'd be worth noting. The explosive growth of the area as a whole might be worth mentioning, as well, but perhaps some of that should be included in greater depth under the Boise metropolitan area entry. Each of the surrounding cities has experienced at least 5% growth in the last few years, and Meridian had an amazing 17% growth according to the study cited on the news. Sorry I don't have a specific reference, but hopefully someone can find it soon, and if not I'll look into it myself.

The Boise metropolitan area entry also deserves some fleshing out, as the area is incredibly fast growing and rather renowned as a fast-growing, comfortable and opportunity-rich area.--happyferret 04:33, Apr 26, 2005 (UTC)

I added some information from a recent COMPASS study (via a KTVB story: [1]. It could use more background. Boisemedia 19:48, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

I addressed a lot of this in the article. According to Census figures Boise itself hasn't grown much between 2000 and 2003, but Caldwell, Meridian, and Nampa have. Nampa's population jumped by well over 20 percent in those three years (!!). City of Boise estimates put the metro area at over half a million now. --Faustus37 18:20, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

This article states 3 different populations for Boise. Shouldnt we find the latest and replace all three totals with that.

The latest 2006 Census estimates for metro areas in the Pacific Northwest (defined for our purposes as Idaho, Oregon and Washington) are as follows:

1 - Seattle-Tacoma-Bellevue, WA: 3,263,497 (15th overall)

2 - Portland-Vancouver-Beaverton, OR-WA: 2,137,565 (23rd overall)

3 - Boise City-Nampa, ID: 567,640 (87th overall)

4 - Spokane, WA: 446,706 (107th overall)

5 - Salem, OR: 384,600 (129th overall)

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If you count Tacoma separately from Seattle, it's third overall, bumping Boise, Spokane and Salem to fourth, fifth and sixth respectively. --Faustus37 16:44, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

View these web pages: http://www.cityofboise.org/Departments/Police/CrimeStatsAndMaps/PopulationChart.pdf http://www.cityofboise.org/CityGovernment/VisitingBoise/AboutBoise/Demographics/index.aspx The first one says the 2007 population was 213,503. The second one says 211,473. The Wikipedia page says 202,832. This is getting confusing. Can somebody try to clear this up? Thanks. Wikipedia is used every day to find a city's population so it should be correct. 96.18.217.236 (talk) 22:25, 13 April 2009 (UTC)

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I don't consider Boise a Pacific NW city, though. I'd say it compares culturally with Spokane and Salt Lake, but not Portland or Seattle. Northern Idaho is PNW, but not southern.

Ridahoan (talk) 14:32, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

A note on schools

There has been some confusion over the high schools entry.

Boise has five mainstream public high schools -- Borah, Boise, Capital & Timberline from the Boise district -- and Centennial from the Meridian district. Centennial is actually within Boise City Limits -- but is the only Merdian HS to meet that criteria. Boisemedia 19:37, August 21, 2005 (UTC)

A citation was added that supports the junior high, high school, and specialty school statistics. Despite the slight confusion listed above, this USNews web article seems to support the statistics. The link to the citation goes to a search done on that article that filters out all but Boise schools. Addresses are given for the schools.Gustav38 (talk) 03:43, 11 May 2013 (UTC)

New Law School Added (Education Section)

The entry that Boise had no law schools was out of date, so I found the KTVB.com news article about the opening of the Concordia University School of Law in Boise. I changed the "Education" section to accommodate this and made a citation of the news article introducing the law school.Gustav38 (talk) 03:58, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

"Written by?"

I don't believe it is wikipedia convention to credit individual authors/editors in the text of the article. There is currently a "written by" attribution at the end of the "History" section. I will remove it. While the prose is generally very good, this article also has a bit of a "promotional" feel to it. Other editors may want to address this. TMS63112 16:34, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

The vast majority of the text in this story is now copyvio (pretty much everything in the introduction and history sections). See: [2] This needs to be promptly addressed and removed. Anyone see an easy fix? Boisemedia 01:13, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

I deleted the Introduction and History sections as they were copied verbatim from Wcities. They were added by an anon on 29 October 2005, and archive.org confirms Wcities has had the content since February. The "written by" attribution was, in fact, the Wcities author. Sam8 14:48, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Boise City vs. Boise

I notice there's a redirect to "Boise, ID" from "Boise City, ID", and that this article's Geography section calls the city "Boise City". The list of metropolitan statistical areas also gives the name Boise City (see #90 in the list). Clearly these two names are referring to the same place and clearly Boise is the common name of the city... is Boise City the official name? (I for one have always heard "Boise" but have run into "Boise City" enough that I don't think it's insignificant.)

It would be helpful if someone could find out and make the distinction clear in the article (possibly in the opening paragraph.) Krong 06:53, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

This has been a common confusion for years. Boise City is not the capital of Idaho, it is a very small town in Oklahoma. I think what sustains the confusion is that the word "city" is included in the title of some official agencies in Boise, ID. The word gets capitalized as part of the name, and make it look like the official name might be Boise City. Example: Independent School District of Boise City, which is an official name of the district, but you can see on it's web page that the common-used term is "Boise School District". There is also the use of "Boise City" to distinguish it from "Boise County" in Idaho government, as in "Boise City residents", as opposed to "Boise County residents". (Boise is in Ada County.) Outside those contexts, I've never heard it called "Boise City" in common usage. The city web site uses "Boise", "City of Boise", "Boise City", and "Boise city" interchangeably.--Gandalf2000 16:10, 21 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks! Krong 06:25, 22 December 2005 (UTC)

The official name is simply "Boise," but both old and new maps and other documents occasionally refer to the city as "Boise City." Glean from that what you will. --Faustus37 18:21, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

The use of "Boise City" was commonly used from the founding until the 1950's. This was to prevent confusion with "Fort Boise" and Boise County. This was gradually dropped from maps during the 1950's when the Interstate Highway system came through. If you look at old maps of Idaho, it is called "Boise City". "Fort Boise" was originally built by the Hudson Bay Company in 1834, 50 miles west of the city near the current city of Parma. "New Fort Boise" (Once located North of the city, of Boise, the city has since grown to surround the Fort) was built by the US Army in 1863. And yes, it is pronounced Boy`see. --Mushrom 18:50, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

"Boise City" is probably best described as a correct name for the city, but also as a less common and somewhat archaic one. Although the Idaho Constitution places the capital in "Boise City" (Article X, Section 2), and the metropolitan area is known as the "Boise City-Nampa MSA," the city refers to itself simply as "Boise" in its own city code. The vast majority of contemporary references also drop the "City."

There is no hard evidence whatsoever from any municipal source that the city is officially named "Boise City." It should not be represented as such here. The closest thing to an official name is "City of Boise." Faustus37 (talk) 00:32, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Basic outline for the translation

I’d like to ask what you think about which information should be represented in the translation of this article to the other language, and what could be omitted. I’m not talking about basic stuff like founding date or ethymology and the like, but rather about some region specific info that may or may not be relevant to international readers. theUg 02:35, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

Certainly I would include any references to Boise's Basque community, which is the largest Basque population outside of their homeland.-Gandalf2000 21:04, 20 January 2006 (UTC)

It's actually not (there's a larger Basque community in Argentina), but Boise is the largest Basque community in the United States. Regardless, the Basque community is a big part of Boise. No translated article would be complete without mentioning it. You should also mention Boise's stake in the technology economy as well as the region's recent population surge. --Faustus37 18:30, 9 February 2006 (UTC)

Boise and Spokane, Which is Bigger?

I amended the statments on population to reflect the following. There is no doubt that Boise is the third largest metro area in the Pacific Northwest behind Seattle and Portland. See List of United States metropolitan statistical areas by population.

However, regardless of what the Boise media says, 2003 US Census estimates do place the city of Spokane (196,624) [3] just slightly ahead of Boise in population (190,117) [4].

Spokane grew 0.5 percent between 2000 and 2003 while Boise grew 2.2 percent in the same period. I think it's only a matter of time before Boise's claim to be the third largest city in the PNW comes true, but not yet. --Faustus37 17:23, 17 March 2006 (UTC)

Spokane is bigger, there is no argument or doubt, just look at the census.

First, thanks for signing. Second, there is argument AND doubt. The COMPASS report (cited in the story) casts that doubt. The phrasing as written is balanced. 2004 population estimates put Spokane at 196,721, while Boise is listed at 190,122. Spokane grew by just more than 1,000 people from 2000 to 2004, while Boise grew by about 5,000 people. It is possible, and actually quite likely that Boise has surpassed Spokane. Boisemedia 07:04, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

the compass is from that region,and so is the media, so they are bias. the census says that spokane is larger by over 6000 people.

boise may be growing faster, but that does not mean that it is bigger.

The Boise metro area (as defined by The US Census Dept.) is larger than the Spokane Metro Area.

Spokane proper is larger than Boise proper. If the Metro areas of Spokane (435,644) and Coeur D'Alene (122,350) were combined, as they should be due to the proximity of the two, and the nonstop sprawl between Spokane and CD'A, then Spokane proper and metro would be larger. Works Cited 1. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_metropolitan_statistical_areas_by_population 2. http://www.google.com/search?q=435%2C644+%2B+122%2C350&sourceid=mozilla-search&start=0&start=0&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official SpokaneWilly 03:54, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

It wouldn't surprise me all that much if Spokane and CDA were merged into a single metro area at some point, but the fact remains it hasn't happened yet. The Census Bureau is behind on some things (note that the micropolitan area of Twin Falls is considerably larger than the metropolitan area of Lewiston, for example).

Even so, given the lack of another universally accepted source, I think we should go with the Census estimates which tell us Spokane city proper is larger than Boise city proper, but the Boise metro area is larger than the Spokane metro area (for now). --Faustus37 18:52, 3 April 2006 (UTC)

Yes, that makes sense, so the page should not say that boise may be larger than spokane. it should say the metro is larger. the only proof we have is the 2000 census, so that is what will have to be on the page, there shouldnt be any mights or could bes70.56.126.209 06:07, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

These Census estmates "prove" absolutely nothing one way or another, especially considering (1) the latest numbers are three years old now and (2) even those showed a difference of less than four percent combined with a significantly higher historical rate of growth in Boise. It could very well be that as of 2006 Boise is indeed larger than Spokane. The problem is there's no definitive source to prove or disprove that (at least none I've seen). I have a feeling this matter won't be settled until the 2010 Census, and even then it'll be pretty close.

In the meantime, the claim is hotly disputed, but hardly disproven. The article should reflect that. --Faustus37 16:36, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

The article should show that Spokane is bigger than boise. SpokaneWilly 05:25, 5 April 2006 (UTC)

According to 2003 Census estimates, the article very clearly states Spokane is larger. This is not in dispute. As of 2006, however, the subject is open for debate. --Faustus37 23:29, 6 April 2006 (UTC)

According to this link, the US Census considers Spokane to be it's own metropolitin area. However, Boise is connected to Nampa toi make the "Boise Metropolitin Area". http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_metropolitan_statistical_areas_by_population. You will find that in this breakdown, Boise ranks higher then Spokane because of how they draw up the area. And I am not surprised. Even back in the early 1980's, we frequently refered to the area as "Boswell", meaning that everything between Boise and Caldwell was basically one large city. I have not been to Boise since 1995, but I doubt that has changed in the last 11 years. Mushrom 1416, 21 April 2006 (UTC)

Adding the "Weasel" tag with out discussion is against the spirit of Wikipedia. I've removed it. Also, I restored earlier -- balanced -- language explaining the "third largest" claim, then pointing out that the information is contradicted. I don't think anyone here really thinks that Spokane is larger than Boise any longer, evidence and imperial data supports that. However, until new census figures are released, both sides should be presented. Also, one further note -- the debate is over the CITY of Boise and the CITY of Spokane, not the MSAs. Boise is larger than Salt Lake City by defining strict city boundaries, but clearly that metropolitan statistical area is much larger. Are we at compromise -- or should the language be further clarified? Boisemedia 06:26, 26 April 2006 (UTC)

I think that spokane is larger, and if the MSAs were combined, as they should be, spokane/cda would be much larger, and yes, that is fine. spokane is also larger than salt lake city, and spokane is also larger than boise. 2000 census is the ONLY official data until 2010!SpokaneWilly 03:25, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Well, you're wrong. But that's just my opinion. Regardless -- all Census data is acceptable, and we should get a new estimate this year. But again, this isn't MSA population we are dealing with -- it's city population. Boisemedia

Cant we just apply the definition of "Metropolitan area" to these to places and retreive the figures and settle this debate? It should be simple. As for the " should the CDA figures be included in Spokanes' metro area" people, I would have to ask, why not?Let's apply the definition.

Metro area article: "A metropolitan area usually combines an agglomeration (the contiguous built-up area) with peripheral zones not themselves necessarily urban in character, but closely bound to the center by employment or commerce."

If we use the definition given to us in Wikipedia I think it should be, even if the census doesnt offically recognize it as such. I dont know why it isnt, but it may be due to the fact the area crosses over political boundaries and different jurisdictions. If that is the case, it would be sort of similar to the situation of San Diego, USA and Tijauna, Mexico. In the Table of United States Metropolitan Statistical Areas, it lists San Diego as having like only 2 mil. people in the metro area (only US data in figure). But this clearly doesnt represent the actual size of the San Diego–Tijuana metropolitan area, which numbers about 5 mil. Now, every kid that was raised in San Diego knows, that Tijuana and San Diego are one-in-the-same. The only thing that 'divides' the 2 places is an imaginary political line (and a language barrier to some). Whether the area isnt an official 'metro area' to the government doesnt really matter in my opinion. What matters is whether it is part of the 'metro area' based on the definition of 'metro area'. Whether what I described above is the case or not, I dont know. But, I think CDA and Spokane have a similar situation, and since the government figures dont exactly reflect reality (CDA and Spokane are by definition a 'metro area'), then I think CDA should be considered in Spokane's figure. In short, I dont think it being a de jure metro area as far as the government recognition is concerned, it is a de facto metro area. I dont know if that changes anything as far as population ranking goes, but if it does-nobody complain...its not some kind of a competition; we just have to get the facts straight on Wikipedia! 134.121.247.116 (talk) 07:23, 5 December 2008 (UTC)

What About Tacoma?

I did a little more research on this. It appears to me that Tacoma has just as strong a claim, if not stronger, than Boise or Spokane as the third-largest city in the PNW.

In terms of city proper, according to 2003 Census estimates the five largest cities in the PNW in order are: Seattle (569,101) [5], Portland (538,544) [6], Tacoma (196,790) [7], Spokane (196,624) [8], and Boise (190,117) [9].

Metro areas break out like this:

Seattle-Bellevue-Everett, WA - 2,421,417
Portland-Vancouver-Beaverton, OR-WA - 2,064,336
Tacoma, WA - 745,411
Boise City-Nampa, ID - 524,884
Spokane, WA - 435,644

NOTE: Seattle and Tacoma are technically part of the same metro area, but they're also officially separated by the Census Bureau in "Metropolitan Divisions," which I'm using here. [10]

In short, Tacoma, Spokane and Boise are in a virtual tie for third place when considering city proper populations. If you consider Tacoma as a separate metro from Seattle, it's the third largest. If you don't, then Boise is the third-largest.

Conclusions:

• Seattle and Portland are clearly first and second in population.
• Tacoma, Spokane and Boise are for all practical purposes the same size when dealing strictly with the cities.
• Boise's metro area is bigger than Spokane's (and no, you can't count Coeur d'Alene as part of Spokane just because you want to).
• Tacoma as a separate metro area is bigger than both Boise and Spokane.
• Boise can make a claim as the third-largest city in the PNW, but only with a considerable amount of fudging and spin.

--Faustus37 18:03, 30 June 2006 (UTC) Boise is bigger than Spokane now. Google it if you dont believe me; the newest COMPASS reports put Boise proper at nearly 239,000. Having lived in both Boise, Seattle, and Spokane for the last 19 years, I can attest that although Boise used to lag behind, it has definately surpassed Salt Lake, Tacoma, and Spokane to become the PNW's 3rd largest. The AP had an article about this in April(?) I believe, spelling it all out.

COMPASS is a Boise-based organization, and I think they tend to fudge their numbers a bit to make the city look more appealing. However, according to the latest Census estimates in terms of metro areas, Boise has clearly surpassed Spokane, and is in fact virtually the same size as the Spokane and Coeur d'Alene metro areas combined. Salt Lake and Tacoma, not yet. --Faustus37 16:52, 5 April 2007 (UTC)

County populations

If it helps any, the Boise-area planning agency, Compass (http://www.compassidaho.org) lists 2006 estimates of Ada County's population (including Boise, Meridian, Eagle, Kuna) at 383,314 and Canyon County's population (including Nampa, Caldwell) at 175,781, for a total of almost 560,000. The Boise MSA was expanded by the Census Bureau a few years ago to also include Elmore (Mountain Home), Owyhee and Gem (Middleton) counties, so the MSA total is around 600,000.

According to the Census Bureau, the population of Idaho grew 2.4 percent from mid-'04 to mid-'05, to 1,429,096, making Idaho the third-fastest growing state, behind Nevada and Arizona.

Sca 17:18, 28 April 2006 (UTC)

Actually, the Boise MSA officially includes Ada, Boise, Canyon, Gem, and Owyhee Counties. Ada and Canyon, of course, make up the vast majority of the population. Elmore County comprises the separate Mountain Home micropolitan area.

Some of this doesn't make much sense. I personally believe Payette County has a closer association with Boise than Owyhee County, but Payette County is part of the Ontario, Oregon micropolitan area. Apart from Homedale, Owyhee County is a whole lot of nothing.

In practical terms, Elmore County is split between two regions. Mountain Home tends to gravitate towards Boise, while Glenns Ferry is more associated with the Magic Valley region, but I digress ... --Faustus37 14:40, 18 May 2006 (UTC)

Pronunciation and nickname

Pronunciation has been throughly dealt with in this article. The added graph is not needed. Also, the odd paragraph attempting to give Boise a nickname is both a) untrue and b) uneeded. No one has called Boise by that name. It fails the Google test, you can't cite it - and it's just plain untrue. Boisemedia 07:36, 4 May 2006 (UTC)

Response

Not all true information is on the Internet. You cannot naively assume that which shows up on google is true and that which does not is false. Bobo is a legitimate nickname for Boise which is used by at least several hundered people in the North End. It shouldn't be such a surprise to those who have not heard it. Our downtown mall is called BoDo a contraction of Boise and Downtown which is itself a variation of Bobo.

A) Sign your posts B) Do not edit others C) your content is not verifable (which you will see below EACH AND EVERY edit box). Without citation your entry will not stand. Boisemedia 00:45, 10 May 2006 (UTC)

It sure is funny how "Boisemedia" complains about signing posts and is so interested in controlling the Boise Wiki page. Wiki is for people. The media already have TV and Radio!

 - The People

"Bobo" is'nt legit. If Bobo is legit, then so is "B-town", Bwa-seee", and "B-shizle". Put that in those in there too. -me

Cosigned. I've spent the majority of my life in Boise and have never once heard a single human being udder the term "Bobo." Also the general consensus about "Bodo" is that most Boise natives have a strong dislike for the term. I don't feel that it belongs in the article at all, all it will serve to do is to justify non-natives to call Boise "Bobo." - JoshuaJenkins

I remember hearing my grandmother call the town "Bobo", that was back in the 1970's though. She lived in the North End (28th & Hill). But generally, it was not a widely used name, and largely fell out of use by the 1980's. Mushrom 16:48, 3 November 2006 (UTC)

I suggested to Joseph Coffland, (the guy who started the Bobo nickname paragraph) a long while ago that there should be a separate link to all of the nicknames that boise can be called, as well as the pronunciation debate. He responded, "In short, you caught me. The nickname Bobo is editorial promotion of my own view point. I think Boise's Wikipedia page is a cool place for public access media. I can't control the local new paper, radio or TV but I can edit Wikipedia." -Cutlerite 03:19, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

Downtown Mall & Towne Square

"Downtown Boise's economy has been threatened by extensive growth around the Boise Towne Square Mall and an increasing number of shopping centers which have sprung up around new housing developments. Events such as Alive-after-Five and First Thursday have been created to combat this trend."

- Does there really need to be an external link for the boise town square mall on the page? It seems unnecessary to me. http://www.boisetownesquare.com/html/index3.asp

-- not only does there not need to be a link to the Mall, its backwards. The mall area is being threatened by the enormous growth of downtown retail. Ask any other person in commercial real estate downtown (such as myself) and you'll see what I mean. -me

Attack on California and politically charged commentary removed

"Boise's growth can largely be attributed to an influx of Californian's who promise to not change the town or the state into the uninhabitable place that they just recently left. However, after looking at the changes in nearby Oregon and Washington due to the migration of Californian's over the last two decades, Boise and the state itself are doomed by these people and their leftist, mulitcultural, stripmall wasteland mentality."

I can't imagine this belongs in any encyclopedia, so I took it upon myself to expunge this smut.

While I agree that the original "info" was ... smut, if someone is so inclined there is a large "anti-Californication" sentiment in Boise, with all of the anger expressed in the original. Might be worth noting in more unbiased language (could maybe even scout around for a statistic on where Boise's growth is coming from). CerebralMom 16:39, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

City of Boise external link updated

I changed this link to http://www.cityofboise.org/public_information/ rather than http://www.cityofboise.org/ because this page has more of the relevant info that wiki users will be looking for. It can be a little tricky to find this information page from the City of Boise home page. However, the home page is very easy to jump to from the information page because you can always click on the main logo. --Atomicskier 22:36, 29 December 2006 (UTC)

Boise State's BCS upset

Boise State football's undefeated season is one of the biggest events for the city in years, maybe even decades. Granted, not every reader may think it's a big deal, but I think enough will that it's worth briefly noting on this page. Anyone opposed? Here's a draft of what I want to put in.

Boise State University achieved national notoriety in 2006 when their football team went undefeated in the regular season, earning them a slot in the BCS rankings; a rare achievement for a "mid-major" team. The season was capped with a win in the Tostitos Fiesta Bowl over the strong favorite, Oklahoma, on New Years Day, 2007 in what has been called one of the closest and most exciting bowl games ever played. ^{citation needed}

I'm not sure this really deserves its own section, but it doesn't really fit under Education. Any ideas? --Atomicskier 17:59, 2 January 2007 (UTC)

-- Boise State FOotball has it's own Wikipedia entry. Does it need to be on the city of Boise Page?? Redsoxunixgeek 07:25, 14 October 2007 (UTC)

Culture update

According to bestplaces.net. LDS members are not a majority in Boise, thus the removal of the sentence proclaiming "large" numbers of LDS members.

http://www.bestplaces.net/city/Profile.aspx?city=Boise_City_ID&cat=RELIGION

Actually, according to the link provided by the unsigned user (user:70.160.61.201) above, of the 44.5% of Boise residents that consider themselves to be religious, the majority is LDS(15.2%), ahead of Catholics (12.3%), and Protestants (10.6%). I'm reverting the edit. --Atomicskier 17:09, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Then the reverse is also true...ie 55.5% (a clear majority) of the residents of Boise are non-religious. Statistically speaking, 15.2% is NOT indicative of an overwelming majority that would require the use of the word "large". A better approach would be to simply remove "large", or possibly add the actual figures. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.160.61.201 (talk) 21:59, 31 January 2007

Okay, I can see from your edit history that you're new at this, so I'll try to be nice here. Whatever your issue with the LDS church may be, it doesn't change the fact that there was a large number of LDS members in the region in 1984, as the sentence states. It doesn't change the fact that there are 28,000+ LDS people in Boise alone. That's a large number of people for a city Boise's size. The article also states that there is a large number of Basque folks living in Boise, and yet there are more Mormons than Basques. Why aren't you quibbling over the semantics of that section? Your help with Wikipedia is welcome, but not if your personal issues inhibit the group editing process. Another case in point, your edits to Cris Collinsworth today bordered on vandalism. You need to cool it. --Atomicskier 23:23, 31 January 2007 (UTC)

Punk Music is huge in Boise as well as many punk bands, we should add that to the article208.98.137.60 21:58, 25 May 2007 (UTC)

Relevent information or free advertising?

According to the Wikipedia guideline on Self-promotion, there should be very few commercial references in an article like this. Looking at the history of the article, a link to the Idaho Statesman was included early in the creation, which, in my opinion, is justified because the Statesman has been around long enough to play a role in the city's history and heritage. However, since the citation of the Statesman, it looks like every competing media outlet has worked its way onto the page, making the Media section read like the yellow pages. It gets worse when links are added such as this one, Boise Journal and Boise Home, that do not provide current news and information, it is only a commercial vehicle for selling subscriptions. I think since there is a separate article on Media in Boise, Idaho, a lot of these links and references could be deleted, but I'd like to reach a group concensus before doing that. Anyone disagree? --Atomicskier 17:59, 27 February 2007 (UTC)

I mostly agree with Atomic skier, however I don't think the piece should include any media (how do you apply a special standard to the Statesman that doesn't also include KTVB [which reaches more people each day than the Statesman, and has been around for 55 years]). Let me state my bias: I work in the Boise-area media. I would suggest the clause read like this:

The greater-Boise area is served by a daily newspaper, weekly newspaper, weekly business publication, five major commercial TV stations and a number of radio stations. For more see Media in Boise, Idaho.

What do we think? Boisemedia 05:49, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I think the wording on that is great. If no one objects, I'd say go ahead and make the edit- it's a good improvement. --Atomicskier 20:50, 6 March 2007 (UTC)

I've made the change.--Atomicskier 00:14, 9 March 2007 (UTC)

Accolades section

A few weeks ago I noted that none of the accolades were verified. This is the kind of thing that needs citation since it claims to be direct quotes. I really liked this section, but we can't leave uncited quotes on the page forever so it's got to go. I hope to see this section come back when it can be properly cited. --Atomicskier 18:05, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Somewhat ambiguous phrasing

Numbering about 15,000, Boise's Basque community is the largest Basque community in the United States and the third largest in the world outside Argentina and the Basque Country in Spain and France.

Taken literally, this phrasing means that there are two larger Basque communities outside of Boise, not including Basque Country and Argentina. However, I suspect that isn't the case. Can somebody confirm my thinking? If so, this is easily solved by removing the word "third." --Bletch 11:27, 21 March 2007 (UTC)

A better solution might be to substitute the word "outside" with the word "behind". This would indicate that it "is" the third largest in the world "behind" those other two. That, or some similar rewording. signed: --Frop1345 11:00, 09 March 2010 —Preceding unsigned comment added by Zwek1345 (talk • contribs)

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That's right. Basque community in Venezuela is larger than in Boise. 

It numbers more than 200000 individuals. Also, I must notice that Gernika (Guernica in Spanish), Boise's sister city, IS NOT in Euskal Herria. The proper, official AND politically correct denomination is Basque Country. Euskal Herria is a fictitious name used by radical nationalist to designate all of Basque Country, Navarra and French Basque Country. That denomination is not valid in an offical (and serious)context because it hurts many navarros, basque and french's feelings. Please, remove it. Thank you.

Chemazdamundi.

--- Boise is very proud of the heritage it has with the Basque people who call it home. However, it is not the biggest population of Basques in the US or the world, or the third biggest. In his work on the Basque people of Idaho, "An Enduring Legacy" Dr. John Bieter discredited the myth that Boise's Basque population is the largest. San Francisco has a larger Basque population than Boise, as does Reno, NV. I suspect also New York City has a large population. My proposal would be to remove the line about size of population in reference to the US or the rest of the world and let it stand that Boise has a population of Basque people around 15,000.

Zbhistory (talk) 17:37, 7 March 2013 (UTC)ZBHistoryZbhistory (talk) 17:37, 7 March 2013 (UTC)

Removing Tulsa from intro

Since the Tulsa MSA is over half again as big as Boise, I'm removing it from the "cities of comparable size" mention in the beginning —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Steventity (talk • contribs) 02:42, 6 April 2007 (UTC).

Also removed the Providence MSA as it's almost twice as big as Boise. Sorry for not signing last time. steventity 02:49, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Okay, so I put prov back. it is about the same size (30,000~ dif., vs. tulsa 175,000~ dif.) But Tulsa stays out. steventity 02:56, 6 April 2007 (UTC)

Grand Rapids and Providence metro areas are twice as large as Boise, or individually as populous as the state of Idaho. The author(s) of every city's page want to emphasize the good. This sentence does nothing to help one understand Boise. Its reference is an "expired" page. Boise is not comparable in size or economic importance with Providence or Grand Rapids. The sentence makes one question the entire article. I'm deleting the sentence--which may very well have been written by the same person who claims a building completed in 2000 is Boise tallest building completed in the 21st century.mp2dtw (talk) 07:10, 28 November 2010 (UTC)

RfC: pronounced Boy-Zee (yes, with the 'Z')

Boise, ID got it's name from the French word Boisé [bwa-zay] which means wooded or timber. The correct pronunciation of the word Bosie is with a "z", not with a soft "c" sound. Good examples of this usage in English are seen in words like: noise, rose, and poise.

It seems that somewhere in history, most likely recent, the word Boise began to be pronounced with the soft "c" sound and, thus, in it's current incorrect form. Most local Idahoans will tell you that it is pronounced with the soft "c" sound and thus make you sound like an idiot if you try to use this wrong pronunciation. Do not fall for this tactic! Show your intelligence and pronounce it in its correct form.

To avoid sounding like a complete idiot, you should pronounce Boise with its correct "z" sound.

Please refer to www.m-w.com for the correct pronunciation.

That's all fine and dandy, but by your own admission native Idahoans pronounce it with the "soft 'c'" sound. At the very least, that's an item of cultural importance. You also imply that native Idahoans are necessarily idiots; I take exception to that. --Faustus37 20:42, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I would have to agree with Faustus37, Idahoans are exceptional when it comes to being idiots.174.19.102.206 (talk) 17:15, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Several points here:

1. The relation of the “z” sound to the French origin of the name is meaningless. The name originated as a French word ~180 years ago, but has long since been anglicized and no longer carries French pronunciation. Why make an issue of pronouncing the “s” letter with a “z” sound, if you don’t also pronounce the “oi” letters with a “wa” sound? The original French pronunciation was something like “bwa-zay”, so if the French origin is so important to you then pronounce it “bwa-zay” (and get laughed at); otherwise accept that the name has been anglicized and pronounce it as the locals do. Which leads to:

2. The locals pronounce it “boy-see” not “boy-zee”. The bulk of the entries on this talk page attest to this. I, who spent the first 40 years of my life in Boise, also attest to it. The government of the City of Boise, who should know something about it, says that the name is pronounced “boy-see” (http://www.cityofboise.org/public_information/). The “correct” pronunciation of a place name is by definition the local pronunciation. You might say to the good ol’ boys in Paris, Texas that their town name is pronounced “pah-ree”, but they know better than you do. And you can say that Boise is pronounced “bwa-zay” or “boy-zee”, but we good ol’ boys know that it should be pronounced “boy-see”. However:

3. In the past decade or two a lot of new folks have moved to Boise. Not all of them catch on right away that the name is pronounced “boy-see”, and some of them still do call it “boy-zee”. Never mind, we welcome them all the same. And as I said above, the “correct” pronunciation of a place name is by definition the local pronunciation. So since there are some Boise residents who call it “boy-zee”, along with the majority who call it “boy-see”, it doesn’t make sense to be so dogmatic about the issue and say that one is right and the other is wrong. So I propose that both pronunciations are mentioned, without indication that one is preferred over the other. Ekotekk 21:07, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

Show us the definition of "correct." Also, to say that the pronunciation of Boise has been anglicized is a moot point. The English grammar is too nebulus to say that anything has a true correct pronunciation. To say that the locals pronunciation is the correct way to pronounce a word is by far the funniest thing I have heard in a long time. How can 299.5 million other people be incorrect? That is like saying that potato has an "e" on the end to the locals.

You are correct, however, is that Boisé (with the accent) is pronounced bwa-zay, however, the accent has been dropped, not the sound of the 'z.' 15.235.137.70 21:35, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

This is a place name we're talking about; how can you say that the local pronunciation has no merit? That said, as a native Idahoan I don't think it's necessarily wrong to pronounce it with a "z," but it's certainly not the ONLY way. The article as written now (pronounced either [boy-see] [11] or [boy-zee] [12]) addresses the matter just fine, so let's stop changing it, already. --Faustus37 21:44, 18 April 2007 (UTC)

I just checked M-W audio. They have two pronounciations listed. A dictionary would seem to be an authoritative source. If commentators have taken a stand on the correct pronounciation, simply cite their alternative stance on the pronounciation with a reference to their published work. ImprobabilityDrive 15:19, 25 April 2007 (UTC)

Silly me... I always pronounced it "Bo-eyes"... but then again, I'm from Nu-Yawk so what do I know. Blueboar 17:59, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

I came here from the post at RfC... it seems really silly to me to attempt to declare something the "right" pronunciation of a place name when it's not the one used by residents of that place. In this case, I think it's reasonable to say that different pronunciations exist, and to explain the language derivation and the pronunciation in the original language. If only one way of pronouncing the name of a place is presented, though, surely it should be the one used by the residents of that place, just as we would go by how a person pronounces his or her own name. It's not like this is an uncommon occurrance in the US -- plenty of places with foreign names are pronounced in an anglicized way by their residents. Pinball22 20:42, 26 April 2007 (UTC)

Agreed on all points. If anything, the "correct" way is the residents' pronunciation. Many words have multiple acceptable "correct" pronunciations. "Either" is most accurate.

Although I pronounce it /z/, I am not from there, and everyone I know from Boise most certainly pronounces it /c/. Vote for keeping 'either'. Souk 05:52, 1 May 2007 (UTC)idaho is stupid

I am amused by the attempt to use the original French pronunciation to rule on how it should be pronounced today. Would this argument be accepted in Des Moines? Maproom 11:03, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

I totally agree... What about Paris, Texas? The pronunciation of the root origin is irrelevant to the current, modern pronunciation. What matters is the pronunciation that the the current local population uses.Hank001 19:10, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

WERD! Alls you all bitches can ZUCK IT!!!!174.19.102.206 (talk) 17:09, 19 July 2010 (UTC)

Plagiarism on the Boise page?

There is a LOT of content on the Boise page that appears word for word on a real estate site. The real estate site looks like a likely candidate for having took the info from the Wikipedia Boise page, though, so I didn't delete the info. Will look through the history pages to see if I can find more info. CerebralMom 16:49, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Actually, the real estate site you mention specifically states at the bottom that the source of the info is Wikipedia. Wikipedia content is freely licensed for anyone to use, so there are no copyright issues. OhNoitsJamie ^Talk 17:14, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Wow -- sorry, I actually even LOOKED for something like that on their page (and obviously just completely missed it in the most obvious spot)! CerebralMom 19:44, 15 August 2007 (UTC)

Accolades

Boise’s so great, the “Accolades” section could easily turn into a link farm.

In the interest of making the list have more impact, these were the “rules” I used:

• Included only those in which Boise is ranked in the top 10

• Used the most recent year that the list in question was published, even if Boise’s ranking was lower than in previous years

• Limited it to rankings given in the past 5 years

• Used only those rankings for which I could find an online citation

Commonly cited accolades I left off, and why:

• Boise #2, Forbes “Safest Places to Live” – 2005: This ranking was for safety from national disasters. I just didn’t think it was as important as other rankings.

• “The best cities to start a business -- or a career”: That was not an actual accolade, it was the name of an article published by Forbes on MSN about their annual “Best place[s] for business and career” list (which is included in the list)

CerebralMom 14:55, 18 August 2007 (UTC)

Census contradiction (Basque figures)

The article says that there are some 15000 basque descendents in Boise, i.e., about 7,5% of the city population. But the Census 2000 section says that «The top 5 heritage groups in Boise are · German - 19%[2] · English - 16% · Irish - 11% · Scottish - 3% · Norwegian - 3».

Furthermore, I'd like to see some info about how/when/why these Basques arrived there, and how much actually Basque-speaking they are.

194.65.103.1 (talk) 15:15, 24 January 2008 (UTC)

My guess is that their whaling boats got marooned when they hit the high plains. :-p Tomer^talk 18:30, 30 October 2008 (UTC)

Boise has a Mediterranean (Csb) climate

Although it isnt the classic Mediterranean climate that typifies Greece, S. Italy, LA, and San Diego(Csa), this claim can be made. Although it is sort of debatable if they are actually Csb climates, Seattle, Portland, Vancouver, have claimed they have atleast "semi-Mediterranean" climates based on the fact that they all have dry summers and wet winters, I think Boise should too. Some claim they are more Cfb or Cwb climates, but I believe some data shows this can be true. The same sources that show these places as having Mediterranean climates could also be used for Boise.

These maps show a Csb climate covering some portions of Idaho(including Boise), if my geography is right: http:/upwiki/wikipedia/commons/3/32/World_Koppen_Map.png http://koeppen-geiger.vu-wien.ac.at/pics/kottek_et_al_2006.gif

I think it would be cool to jump on the trend the Vancouver, Seattle, and Portland articles have started if the areas in those maps up there do in fact encompass Boise. 66.82.9.49 (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 07:48, 27 November 2008 (UTC).

Absolutely no mention of the Pacific Northwest

Boise is part of the Pacific Northwest right?? I thought all of Idaho was considered part of the Pacific Northwest, or is it only Northern Idaho? I believe the entire state of Washington, Oregon, Idaho, Southern B.C. and Alberta, and Western Montana are in the PNW. This fact should be noted-probably in the Lead. Most articles of mid to major cities tell us where it is in the US, includingSpokane, Seattle, Portland, and Vancouver (Canada)...and all of them mention it in the Lead.. I think Boise should be no different.

Anon134 (talk) 06:58, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

Not really more like mountain west, the Northwest has a better culture then Boise Thanatos465 (talk) 03:00, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Linen District

the Linen District isnt real, nobody calls it that, please remove, just some real estate company turning wikipedia into an ad Thanatos465 (talk) 02:59, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Sister cities?

Boise has sister cities.

Requested move

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: No consensus. Jafeluv (talk) 11:11, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

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Boise, Idaho → Boise — "Boise" already redirects here. Why not just simply call the page "Boise" instead of "Boise, Idaho"? Just like Detroit, Minneapolis, and Milwaukee don't include the name of the state because they're so well-known, so should Boise. It would greatly enhance our readers' Wikipedia experience by simplifying. --Krauseaj 00:14, 28 December 2010 (UTC)

• Oppose - WP:PLACE calls for U.S. cities to be titled "City, State" unless the AP Stylebook says that a state disambiguator is not required. This is not the case with Boise. Dough4872 02:17, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose The current name is fine and is consistent with the naming convention for US cities.   Will Beback  talk  09:10, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
• Support -- The convention to disambiguate even when unnecessary seems to be falling out of favor, and U.S. cities are, finally, no exception. The U.S. city naming guideline is in dispute and apparently no longer has consensus support. Clearly this use is the primary topic for this name. That is a no-brainer argument to place the article at that name for any other article in WP, so it should apply here too. --Born2cycle (talk) 09:14, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose As several others noted, the name "Boise, Idaho" is how the current guidelines for U.S. cities say it should be listed. Those guidelines are currently under discussion at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names), but unless and until consensus is reached there to list cities such as Boise without the state, this move should not be made. --MelanieN (talk) 17:25, 28 December 2010 (UTC)
• Support Unqualified name already redirects, hence the article already occupies the shorter target name. --Polaron | Talk 07:04, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose per guideline at Wikipedia talk:Naming conventions (geographic names) which works fine. --Doncram (talk) 14:48, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose There is an extensive debate at WT:Naming conventions (geographic names) over just what the guideline should be. Therefore, I think there should be a moratorium on all place name moves until we come to some sort of resolution or detente on the current convention.DCmacnut<> 15:28, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
• Support, primary topic and most common usage. john k (talk) 15:40, 30 December 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose per guideline and standard convention on US cities. Agne^Cheese/^Wine 00:25, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
• oppose It is not helpful to change from a standard to a non-standard that means every city in the US will have to be argued over. No good reason for change has been presented in any case. Hmains (talk) 05:22, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose. Deb (talk) 13:18, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose - City, State is conventional in the U.S. Having a great hodge podge does not service the reader. Jonathunder (talk) 23:12, 31 December 2010 (UTC)
• Oppose; there is no consensus to overturn the long-standing precedent. Powers ^T 20:05, 1 January 2011 (UTC)

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

BoDo = Downtown?

I've never been to Boise, but may go in Oct. Is "BoDo" just a synonym for downtown, or a specific section of downtown? I was Googlemapping a Bronco team shop in "BoDo" and decided to look up that term on wikipedia, but it redirected to the Downtown portion of the Boise wiki. Thanks! YellowAries2010 (talk) 03:22, 30 July 2012 (UTC)

BoDo is indeed an area in Downtown Boise. It's the moniker given to the newly redeveloped 8th Street Market Place and the immediate surrounding area. Jcoffland (talk) 21:17, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

Bois means forest in French, not tree!

Tree is "arbre" in French, forest is "bois". A famous bois is the "Bois de Boulogne" a city park in Paris, France. 93.219.161.86 (talk) 12:06, 21 November 2012 (UTC)

Bobo Boise's Other Nickname

I have never heard anyone refer to Boise as "Bobo". A section of the downtown area is referred to as "Bodo", but I have never heard a soul use "Bobo". If the editor wants to reinsert that into this article, I think he needs a better source that one Realtor's site. (http://www.helenlaw.com/1409250.html). Gtwfan52 (talk) 01:19, 28 December 2012 (UTC)

In addition to the above reference, Bobo is also listed by StateMaster.com, a Web site which documents facts about states and cities, as a nickname for Boise, Idaho. Frankly, I don't see what the problem is. There is plenty of supporting evidence. Many city Webpages list nicknames. I think some people just don't like the name Bobo and that's not a good enough reason to remove it from Wikipedia. --Jcoffland (talk) 21:13, 4 January 2013 (UTC)

I've never heard the "Bobo" nickname spoken aloud and this looks to be some prank by an internet troll or something. Please reference actual use of this nickname. 65.121.128.194 (talk) 20:03, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

Exactly...if it isn't used in a book or the media, (see WP:RS) it shouldn't be on the page. Gtwfan52 (talk) 22:18, 7 June 2013 (UTC)

I commented on that several years ago, but will do so again since it seems to have been lost up higher. Bobo was indeed a nickname in around 40 years ago, but it was never very popular. My grandmother would use it when she would talk about how bad the town was compared to others (Bobo does not have any shopping like Portland). But she lived on the North End for over 60 years, so the city was definately her home. I heard in the same era some others of her generation use it, but nobody younger then that I can ever remember. Mushrom (talk) 22:59, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

The point is however, by now, it is not in use and does not seem to have any actual use that can be referenced. At best, your story is original research, which cannot in and of itself be included. Also, to reiterate, I've never heard that nickname used in a legitimate context, and certainly not aloud. It is extremely dubious and suspect that people are trying to include "Bobo" in the article. OrangeJacketGuy (talk) 02:25, 22 June 2013 (UTC)

Carousel in Zoo Boise

The carousel pictured is more correctly in Zoo Boise -- the larger park is public access as it is a park, but Zoo Boise is not as such. The carousel is even a touted "Special Attraction" of Zoo Boise listed here: http://www.zooboise.org/aboutthezoo/hoursprices.aspx . In fact, the article for Julia Davis Park http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julia_Davis_Park#Gallery lists the carousel as located in Zoo Boise. The carousel can't even be seen from outside the zoo fence. Please discuss more before changing the article back. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 65.121.128.194 (talk) 19:06, 11 June 2013 (UTC)

Vandalism: what's with this Jason Aldean?

What's with these anonymous edits that claim Jason Aldean to be the mayor? Am I missing some joke or something? OrangeJacketGuy (talk) 19:19, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

No, just a misguided legend in his own mind, aka a vandal, and not the Idaho Vandal type one. Gtwfan52 (talk) 20:24, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

From personal experience, Idaho Vandal usually means the other type of vandal as well. I should, however, more specifically ask if this is one of those dreaded ongoing internet jokes or something like that. I hope my city's article isn't targeted for a raid or something... OrangeJacketGuy (talk) 20:30, 26 June 2013 (UTC)

Sister cities?

No 'twin towns' or 'sister cities'? Sca (talk) 14:34, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

Most remote urban area in US

While reading this article about Boise getting its first Whole Foods, I noticed the interesting a fact that it is "the most remote city of its size in the country". The current page only mentions this with respect to the Northwest, but it seems worthy of mention here. Googling this produces similar references to the "most remote city" (with Salt Lake at 340 miles away) including the local Convention & Visitors' Bureau. Trep26 (talk) 04:56, 17 December 2013 (UTC)

Mailing address for Saeed and Naghmeh Abedini?

Does anyone have any information on the mailing address for Pastor Saeed Abedini and his wife, Naghmeh that live in Boise? Pastor Saeed is an famous Iranian prisoner and his wife has been his advocate for 3 years now.

If I addressed a letter with "Boise, Idaho" only, would the letter reach them? Perhaps someone from the postal service could offer me some information. I'm sure the post office is very familiar with them.

Thanks in advance, --2001:5B0:22FF:3CF0:0:0:0:38 (talk) 16:43, 29 December 2014 (UTC)Matt in West Virginia

My response is a little late, but the post office would probably find his wife. A better option might be to send the letter to any member of Idaho's Congressional delegation as they are in contact with her and would know how to reach her. (They might be annoyed at me if this results in a flood of letters, but hey, they need to earn their keep, right?) Etamni | ✉ | ✓  12:43, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Picture request

I'm not making a formal request here, but there might be a use for good pictures taken of the ongoing redevelopment work currently taking place in downtown Boise. I'm specifically referring to "JUMP" and the nearby transit facilities which are being built. Etamni | ✉ | ✓  13:01, 19 August 2015 (UTC)

Second most artistic mid-sized city?

Relevant? Yea or nay.

https://www.gogobot.com/blog/2015/11/17/the-10-most-artistic-mid-sized-cities-in-america/

kencf0618 (talk) 02:46, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

Absolutely not. We wouldn't accept that as a source, why would a poll they took matter? John from Idegon (talk) 03:42, 26 November 2015 (UTC)

YouTube is cited as a external link in Tor (anonymity network), however. kencf0618 (talk) 08:06, 13 December 2015 (UTC)

BoDo

Given that John from Idegon is undertaking a one-person revert offensive against the term "BoDo" in this article, it would be good to hear from that person how many citations are needed. Even if it is a Chamber of Commerce thing, at a certain point we have to yield to reality, like NoMa in Washington, DC, or SoHo in NYC. TriBeCa...on and on. Best regards, GetSomeUtah (talk) 23:45, 11 September 2016 (UTC)

I did a search for "BoDo" and only found a few shops and bars in Boise that stated they were located in "Bodo". It's not on GNIS or Google Maps, but there are humans that say they are located there, so it likely exists in some way. If I'm not mistaken, John from Idegon asked only for an independent reliable source confirming this is a real place (and not just a flavor-of-the-week name made up by a bunch of bars in the area). I'm concerned there are so few sources that use the term "BoDo". Perhaps there is a city map that shows it? Magnolia677 (talk) 00:48, 12 September 2016 (UTC)

Thanks. Sure, here's a non-Chamber of Commerce news media map that points to BoDo as if it's a real place. [13]. There's also a business on 8th St called "BoDo Chiropractic" (I'm not affiliated with them, but you asked for real places.) That office is on maps from Google and MapQuest. Cheers. GetSomeUtah (talk) 00:53, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

Boise Weekly is a free advertising newspaper largely supported by bars and entertainment venues downtown. Hardly a reliable source. John from Idegon (talk) 04:39, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

I will call up the owners of BoDo Chiropractic and tell them John from Idegon says your fake "Bodo" area doesn't exist. LOL. Cheers. GetSomeUtah (talk) 12:33, 13 September 2016 (UTC)

The Boise Weekly is indeed a reliable source. I've certainly never seen anything to contrary. kencf0618 (talk) 02:19, 9 January 2018 (UTC)

Content in climate section

John from Idegon: The reason for my recent removal of certain content from the climate section is that it is entirely subjective whether a temperature is "warm", "cold", or whatever else. A temperature of 22 °C (72 °F) can be considered cool, mild, or warm, for example, 29 °C (84 °F) can be mild, warm, or hot, and 13 °C (55 °F) can be cold, cool, or mild, just to cite examples. Per one of Wikipedia's core policies, Neutral Point of View, Wikipedia articles are supposed to be objective, neutral, and accurate; opinion statements and personal biases are supposed to be left out, and personal classifications of temperature are a (relatively minor, I will admit) violation of that core policy. If you can point me to a reliable and valid source that states that Boise has "moderately cold winters" or whatever under a standardized and consistent classification system similar to Köppen (as opposed to one Wikipedia editor's personal opinion/synthesis), we can work out a compromise. But I'm sick of having other people edit-war with me over a significant portion of these sorts of edits, and looking through your contributions, this is not the first time we have clashed over climate sections.

Thank you,

YITYNR ^{My work • What's wrong?} 12:38, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

Perhaps if you wouldn't use edit summaries that indicate you are removing the opinion because you disagree with it ("rm opinions, 31f not mild"), you wouldn't get reverted. It's longstanding content, you want it removed and it's not on me to justify longstanding contents continuing existence; it's on you to provide a source that indicates it incorrect. 31° F is a pretty high average temp for a place as far north as Boise. John from Idegon (talk) 21:40, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

John from Idegon: I would have thought the "rm opinions" portion of my edit summary would have made it perfectly clear what I was trying to do. I realise the content may have been there for a long time, and believe me, I've been undertaking this project for close to two years and there's still no shortage of them. But just because it's longstanding content doesn't mean it deserves to be there; as I mentioned, this content fails NPOV, and besides, what about all the hoaxes that have lasted a long time (up to 11 years) but eventually gotten snuffed out?

As for your claim that 31 is a "pretty high average temp for a place as far north as Boise", what about London or even Seattle? Those are very large, well known cities at higher latitudes than Boise with warmer winter averages. Even Reykjavík at 64°N has a winter average of 31°F.

As I stated in my original post, the reason I removed the content is that it is merely a Wikipedia editor's subjective opinion and thus fails NPOV, which as mentioned states that Wikipedia articles are to be neutral, objective, and accurate. I do disagree with the content, being someone who prefers warm weather, but that is not the sole reason I removed it. NPOV is a core content policy around here. If we can back that content up by sourcing it to a notable and reliable climate classification (such as Köppen) or similar, it can remain, with a reference added, and the text can say something like "Under the XYZ climate classification, Boise is considered to have hot summers, mild shoulder seasons, and moderately cold winters ." Without any source, however, this is just the subjective opinion of whoever wrote this, meaning it fails NPOV and should be removed.

Thank you,

YITYNR ^{My work • What's wrong?} 11:13, 13 March 2017 (UTC)

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