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Hello Redhill54. You'll see that I've reverted your edit on German federal election, 1930. We do not require the sum of the +/– column to be equal to zero, so there is no need to insert parties that did not contest the elections, nor misleading figures (like the 4 you added for the Conservative Party). If a party didn't contest the previous election, it's marked "New" in that column. Cheers, Number 57 21:31, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

Hello Number57. I do not understand what you said about the sum of the +/- column being equal to zero, as the sum of the changes to the parties should surely be equal to the change in the total. This will not often be zero for the German federal election results, which have a variable number of seats in the chamber. It is also necessary to show parties that cease to put up candidates, as otherwise the change in the overall number of seats cannot be explained in the table for one election. I am not sure why the figure for the Conservative People's Party, (not the Conservative Party), was misleading. What wrong conclusion could someone draw from knowing that they had no deputies before an election, and 4 after it?

With a comment column, both parties putting up candidates for the first time, and ceasing to do so, can be shown, and the figures for seat number changes will be internally consistent. So why do we not do that, and ensure that all the information is provided? I hope this suggestion helps. Redhill54 (talk) 21:49, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

I didn't say it would be equal to zero, I said that it does not have to be equal to zero (and in most cases for numerous countries it isn't - see Danish general election, 2015 as a recent example - the sum is not zero because the Alternative party (9 seats) is new). Similarly, we do not list parties that did not contest elections in the results table (as they didn't run). The reason the Conservative figure is misleading is because the options are +4, –4 or New. Just putting 4 is misleading as it's meaningless.

If you are seeking to note that parties are no longer around, I suggest the best thing to do is to add it to the prose in the article. Cheers, Number 57 22:04, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

You do not seem to have explained what is wrong with wanting the tables to be internally consistent. If the sum of the changes in the parties' figures is not equal to the change in the total, the reader of the table has to do extra work to understand why that is the case. This might be by looking at the previous election figures, or by going to the article on the party, if one exists. More likely is that the reader will lose confidence in the data in the table, or the article. I presume that we want the articles to provide explanation, not cause bewilderment or irritation.

The main reason I was working on these tables was actually differences between versions in different languages, and that did reveal that there was a substantial amount of corrections needed. I am quite happy to add a comments column where changes in seats are shown and parties are appearing or disappearing, which would help the tables to provide all the information in one place, and ensure that the sum of the changes in the parts will always equal the change in the total. This would also require plus and minus signs for all changes, so thanks for pointing out that I missed one. Would that not be satisfactory to all of us? Redhill54 (talk) 22:34, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

In more than ten years of us producing results tables on Wikipedia, no-one (as far as I'm aware) has previously felt the need to get the seat change column to equal zero - we don't do it, and I see no reason to change that, nor to add another column (the tables are already wide enough as it is, and any ecplanatory column may well lead to it breaking over two rows. As I said, this informatiom can easily be provided in prose format without messing up our standard tabular layout/format. Cheers, Number 57 23:58, 16 October 2015 (UTC)

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