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In the section, "The Nation of Islam and Religious Beliefs," the article states: "...Ali's religious beliefs at the time included the notion that the white man was "the devil" and that white people were not 'righteous.'" While qualifying the belief with the phrase, "at the time" implies that Ali may not hold such a belief in the present day, it does not follow up by verifying how Ali's belief on the matter actually did change. In 2002, David Frost interviewed Ali and asked him whether he still believed all whites were devils, as he had once proclaimed. Ali replied that it had been Elijah Muhammad who taught him that view and that he, Muhammad Ali, now sees the view as "wrong."
Cover more about where Ali initially trained -- the Columbia Gym which was in the basement of Columbia Auditorium (now a part of Spalding University and is a key building in a NRHP multiple resources area).
Someone needs to look at the the Economist article that states Ali took over 200,000 hits in his career. Assuming it just refers to his professional career, that would work out to over 3,000 hits per fight, a simply ludicrous number that can't possibly be true. Even if he took 1/10th that many hits, it would still be a huge number for a heavyweight.
In the section about his early life it states he had a sister and four brothers. I only know of his brother Rudolph. If he did have other siblings, we need more information on them, However I do not believe he had any other siblings besides his brother Rudy.
Plagiarism: Ali recited a poem and claimed to have written it himself: [1]
"I just wrote a poem the other day entitled 'Truth.'"

The words he delivered so beautifully are from a teacher of Universal Sufism, named Hazrat Pir-o-Murshid Inayat Khan. They appear in his collected "Sayings" in "Nirtan: Dance / Alankaras: The fanciful expression of an idea." You can find it in context here.
The more I research Ali, the more it occurs to me that he saw himself as an ambassador for his hometown of Louisville. We should find a way to fit in coverage of that.

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-*In the section, "The Nation of Islam and Religious Beliefs," the article states: "...Ali's religious beliefs at the time included the notion that the white man was "the devil" and that white people were not 'righteous.'" While qualifying the belief with the phrase, "at the time" implies that Ali may not hold such a belief in the present day, it does not follow up by verifying how Ali's belief on the matter actually did change. In 2002, David Frost interviewed Ali and asked him whether he still believed all whites were devils, as he had once proclaimed. Ali replied that it had been Elijah Muhammad who taught him that view and that he, Muhammad Ali, now sees the view as "wrong."[[User:Hoiser|Hoiser]] ([[User talk:Hoiser|talk]]) 15:04, 20 July 2014 (UTC)
+*In the section, "The Nation of Islam and Religious Beliefs," the article states: "...Ali's religious beliefs at the time included the notion that the white man was "the devil" and that white people were not 'righteous.'" While qualifying the belief with the phrase, "at the time" implies that Ali may not hold such a belief in the present day, it does not follow up by verifying how Ali's belief on the matter actually did change. In 2002, David Frost interviewed Ali and asked him whether he still believed all whites were devils, as he had once proclaimed. Ali replied that it had been Elijah Muhammad who taught him that view and that he, Muhammad Ali, now sees the view as "wrong."
+* Cover more about where Ali initially trained -- the Columbia Gym which was in the basement of [[Columbia Auditorium]] (now a part of [[Spalding University]] and is a key building in a NRHP multiple resources area).
-*Explain why Ali was stripped of his title in 1964, this is currently mentioned in the list at the end without any reason being given
+*Someone needs to look at the the Economist article that states Ali took over 200,000 hits in his career.  Assuming it just refers to his professional career, that would work out to over 3,000 hits per fight, a simply ludicrous number that can't possibly be true.  Even if he took 1/10th that many hits, it would still be a huge number for a heavyweight.
-*Add the final decision of the Supreme Court on Ali's refusing to serve in the military. Several court decisions are mentioned but the final conclusion is missing completely!
+* In the section about his early life it states he had a sister and four brothers. I only know of his brother Rudolph. If he did have other siblings, we need more information on them, However I do not believe he had any other siblings besides his brother Rudy.
-*Properly format all references.
+* Plagiarism: Ali recited a poem and claimed to have written it himself: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USkZ6HvH4iI]
-*Mention the fact that Ali called Frazier an "Uncle Tom" and "a dumb gorilla," both of which were widely reported in the press at the time.
+*: "I just wrote a poem the other day entitled 'Truth.'"
-*The first fight with Leon Spinks was in Las Vegas NOT at the Superdome, which is where the second fight took place. [[User:Mal2104|Mal2104]] ([[User talk:Mal2104|talk]]) 01:33, 9 January 2013 (UTC)
+*: The words he delivered so beautifully are from a teacher of Universal Sufism, named Hazrat Pir-o-Murshid Inayat Khan. They appear in his collected "Sayings" in "Nirtan: Dance / Alankaras: The fanciful expression of an idea." You can find it in context [https://wahiduddin.net/mv2/say/nirtan_alankaras.htm here].
-*Tomorrow's Champions was hosted by Ed Kallay. I think Martin produced the program. [[User:Older47|Older47]] ([[User talk:Older47|talk]]) 22:28, 28 November 2010 (UTC)
+* The more I research Ali, the more it occurs to me that he saw himself as an ambassador for his hometown of Louisville. We should find a way to fit in coverage of that.
-* His last wife is/was Yolanda (Williams)Ali.  Lonnie is Yolanda's childhood nickname
-* In the lead-up: "Ali had brought beauty and grace to the most uncompromising of sports and through the wonderful excesses of skill and character, he had become the most famous athlete in the world." Not only is this hyperbolic, but much of it is opinion. Where's the documentation that boxing is "the most uncompromising of sports," or that Ali was without question "the most famous athlete in the world"? "One of the most famous" would be much harder to contest. Also, unless you can find someone with credentials saying that Ali "brought beauty and grace" to boxing (which is a matter of aesthetics, and therefore subjective), the statement should either be qualified or cut outright. Finally, the choice of verb tense is a little strange. Is the past perfect tense necessary here? What's wrong with the simple past (i.e., "Ali brought beauty and grace...")?
-* Fix the reference to "other wrestlers"! [[User:Jimwrightbe|Jimwrightbe]] ([[User talk:Jimwrightbe|talk]]) 00:06, 23 December 2011 (UTC)
-* The date of the first Frazier-Ali fight was MARCH, not May, 8, 1971.  It is correctly reported on the list of fights near the end of the article but stated incorrectly in the earlier text.
-* In 1980, Ali challenged Larry Holmes for the WBC title, not the WBA title as stated in the text. The correct title that was contested is listed in Ali's professional record.
-* Cover more about where Ali initially trained -- the Columbia Gym which was in the basement of [[Columbia Auditorium]] (now a part of [[Spalding University]]).