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This project is defunct. Its major role has been taken over by WP:ARBCOM. Some notes on how to handle editors who are problematic in this area:

Never call an editor a "pedophile" or similarly inflammatory term. You may rightfully get in trouble. Instead, use "editor showing a tendency to normalize sex with minors" or something. If engaging such editors avoid all inflammatory terms or rhetoric, it will only backfire on you. NPOV, RS, and FRINGE are your friends here.
We advise that generally you not engage such editors at all, particularly if you're inexpert in the subject and they are. (You can if you think it best in the particular situation.) If it looks to be a one-off bad edit, just revert it. If the editor is more prolific or persistent, move to the next step.
We advise you to write to ArbCom by email (only! -- not publicly here), with a succinct description (such as "We have an editor, [Name], showing a tendency to normalize sex with minors") and provide diffs. Arbcom will handle the matter discretely. (It's best to avoid a public back-and-forth on such a sensitive, emotionally fraught, and potentially triggering subject if possible, we think.)
If you don't get satisfaction from ArbCom, or think it's best to work it out here (perhaps if you're unsure if there's really a problem for instance), we recommend that you go WP:AN (not the more public WP:ANI) with a bland message, eg "I think we have a problem, please take a look at these diffs" and provide the diffs.

The great majority of the problem is from editors normalizing sex with minors (some with subtle cleverness, erudition, and sources; you may need to be on your game). But, you might get an anti-pedophile warrior. If they are not able to write in a WP:NPOV way, they also are not welcome.

(Terms which you don't usually need to know but FYI, technically "pedophile" describes an internal state, not an action -- the action is called "child molestation" or "Child sexual abuse". And pedophilia refers to attraction -- obligatory attraction, generally -- to children, up thru age 11 more or less. Attraction to minors, roughly ages 12-16 (or maybe 12-17), is different, and might be called Hebephilia or Ephebophilia. Normalizing sexual relations with any minor below the age of consent (Usually around 16 in most Anglosphere nations), or for that matter any minor at all (up thru age 17 generally) is not welcome here and is reportable, except perhaps when discussing minor-minor sex under Romeo and Juliet laws.

Really the only term you need to know is "editor showing a tendency to normalize sex with minors", and all you need to know is how to email Arbcom and how to copy diffs.

Other questions, User:Herostratus is a founder of this project, and if he is still active, you could ask him discreetly (here; he doesn't use email) for another set of eyes or whatever.

FWIW, here is the original lede for this page:

Welcome. This WikiProject is a group of editors working together on articles about pedophilia, child sexuality, and related issues. We want these to be at the level of the best articles on Wikipedia. Articles must be factual, from a neutral point of view and not censored. Please join us.

A large portion of our mission is to reduce the spread of misinformation, whether that be caused by vandalism, advocacy, blatant ignorance, or even false good faith. This can include edits on both "side" of the issue.

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Wikipedia:WikiProject Sociology

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- WikiProject Pedophilia Article Watch (this project)

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For more information on WikiProjects, see Wikipedia:WikiProject and Wikipedia:WikiProject best practices.

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+<!-- NB We should not put the usual defunct-project templates here cos they tell the reader to go to the Teahouse, which is pretty much the last thing we want. -->
-'''''This project is Defunct. Its major role has been taken over by [[WP:ARBCOM]]. Some notes on how to handle editors who are problematic in this area:
+'''''This project is ''defunct''. Its major role has been taken over by [[WP:ARBCOM]]. Some notes on how to handle editors who are problematic in this area:
-* Never call an editor a "pedophile" or similarly inflammatory term. You may rightfully get in trouble. Instead, use "editor showing a tendency to normalize sex with minors" or something.
-* Don't engage such editors at all, nor even alert mods, except some exceptional circumstance. Instead, write to ArbCom by email (only! -- not publicly here), with a succinct description (such as "We have an editor, [Name], showing a tendency to normalize sex with minors") and provide diffs.
-* Arbcom will handle the matter discretely. (At least, they have been. If they're not doing it anymore, maybe go to [[WP:AN]] with a bland message, eg "Please take a look at these diff" and the diffs.
-* The great majority of the problem is from editors normalizing sex with minors (some with subtle cleverness, erudition, and sources; you may need to be on your game). But, you might get an ''anti''-pedophile warrior. If they are not able to write in a [[WP:NPOV]] way, they also are not welcome.
+* Never call an editor a "pedophile" or similarly inflammatory term. You may rightfully get in trouble. Instead, use "editor showing a tendency to normalize sex with minors" or something. If engaging such editors avoid all inflammatory terms or rhetoric, it will only backfire on you. NPOV, RS, and FRINGE are your friends here.
-(Terms which you don't usually need to know but FYI, technically "[[pedophile]]" describes an internal state, not an action -- the action is called "child molestation" or "[[Child sexual abuse]]". And Pedophilia refers to attraction -- obligatory attraction, generally -- to ''children'', up thru age 11 more or less. Attraction to ''minors'', roughly ages 12-16 (or maybe 12-18), is different, and might be called [[Hebephilia]] or [[Ephebophilia]]. Normalizing sexual relations with any minor below the age of consent (Usually 16 in most Anglosphere nations), or for that matter any minor at all (up thru age 18 generally) is not welcome here and is reportable, except perhaps when discussing minor-minor sex under[[Romeo and Juliet law]]s.
+* We advise that generally you not engage such editors at all, particularly if you're inexpert in the subject and they are. (You can if you think it best in the particular situation.) If it looks to be a one-off bad edit, just revert it. If the editor is more prolific or persistent, move to the next step.
+* We advise you to write to ArbCom by email (only! -- not publicly here), with a succinct description (such as "We have an editor, [Name], showing a tendency to normalize sex with minors") and provide diffs. Arbcom will handle the matter discretely. (It's best to avoid a public back-and-forth on such a sensitive, emotionally fraught, and potentially triggering subject if possible, we think.)
+* If you don't get satisfaction from ArbCom, or think it's best to work it out here (perhaps if you're unsure if there's really a problem for instance), we recommend that you go [[WP:AN]] (not the more public [[WP:ANI]]) with a bland message, eg "I think we have a problem, please take a look at these diffs" and provide the diffs.
+The great majority of the problem is from editors normalizing sex with minors (some with subtle cleverness, erudition, and sources; you may need to be on your game). But, you might get an ''anti''-pedophile warrior. If they are not able to write in a [[WP:NPOV]] way, they also are not welcome.
-Really the only term you need to know is "editor showing a tendency to normalize sex with minors", and all you need to know is how to email Arbcom and how to copy diffs.)
+(Terms which you don't usually need to know but FYI, technically "[[pedophile]]" describes an internal state, not an action -- the action is called "child molestation" or "[[Child sexual abuse]]". And pedophilia refers to attraction -- obligatory attraction, generally -- to ''children'', up thru age 11 more or less. Attraction to ''minors'', roughly ages 12-16 (or maybe 12-17), is different, and might be called [[Hebephilia]] or [[Ephebophilia]]. Normalizing sexual relations with any minor below the age of consent (Usually around 16 in most Anglosphere nations), or for that matter any minor at all (up thru age 17 generally) is not welcome here and is reportable, except perhaps when discussing minor-minor sex under [[Romeo and Juliet law]]s.
-Other questions, [[User:Herostratus]] is the founder of this project, and if he is still active, you could ask him discreetly (here; he doesn't use email) for another set of eyes or whatever.
+Really the only term you need to know is "editor showing a tendency to normalize sex with minors", and all you need to know is how to email Arbcom and how to copy diffs.
+Other questions, [[User:Herostratus]] is a founder of this project, and if he is still active, you could ask him discreetly (here; he doesn't use email) for another set of eyes or whatever.
 FWIW, here is the original lede for this page: