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<!-- NB We should not put the usual defunct-project templates here cos they tell the reader to go to the Teahouse, which is pretty much the last thing we want. -->
In prior years, some [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]]s formed a [[Wikipedia:WikiProject|project]] to better organize and ensure veracity and freedom from bias of information in articles involving [[pedophilia]], [[child sexuality]], and related issues.


'''''This project is ''defunct''. Its major role has been taken over by [[WP:ARBCOM]]. Some notes on how to handle editors who are problematic in this area:
The project has been inactive for some time; the original scope was ensuring and maintaining quality, NPOV coverage of paedophilia and related topics.


* Never call an editor a "pedophile" or similarly inflammatory term. You may rightfully get in trouble. Instead, use "editor showing a tendency to normalize sex with minors" or something. If engaging such editors avoid all inflammatory terms or rhetoric, it will only backfire on you. NPOV, RS, and FRINGE are your friends here.
<small>For more information on WikiProjects, see [[Wikipedia:WikiProjects]] and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject best practices]].</small>
* We advise that generally you not engage such editors at all, particularly if you're inexpert in the subject and they are. (You can if you think it best in the particular situation.) If it looks to be a one-off bad edit, just revert it. If the editor is more prolific or persistent, move to the next step.
* We advise you to write to ArbCom by email (only! -- not publicly here), with a succinct description (such as "We have an editor, [Name], showing a tendency to normalize sex with minors") and provide diffs. Arbcom will handle the matter discretely. (It's best to avoid a public back-and-forth on such a sensitive, emotionally fraught, and potentially triggering subject if possible, we think.)
* If you don't get satisfaction from ArbCom, or think it's best to work it out here (perhaps if you're unsure if there's really a problem for instance), we recommend that you go [[WP:AN]] (not the more public [[WP:ANI]]) with a bland message, eg "I think we have a problem, please take a look at these diffs" and provide the diffs.


The great majority of the problem is from editors normalizing sex with minors (some with subtle cleverness, erudition, and sources; you may need to be on your game). But, you might get an ''anti''-pedophile warrior. If they are not able to write in a [[WP:NPOV]] way, they also are not welcome.
==About==
'''WikiProject Pedophilia Article Watch'''


(Terms which you don't usually need to know but FYI, technically "[[pedophile]]" describes an internal state, not an action -- the action is called "child molestation" or "[[Child sexual abuse]]". And pedophilia refers to attraction -- obligatory attraction, generally -- to ''children'', up thru age 11 more or less. Attraction to ''minors'', roughly ages 12-16 (or maybe 12-17), is different, and might be called [[Hebephilia]] or [[Ephebophilia]]. Normalizing sexual relations with any minor below the age of consent (Usually around 16 in most Anglosphere nations), or for that matter any minor at all (up thru age 17 generally) is not welcome here and is reportable, except perhaps when discussing minor-minor sex under [[Romeo and Juliet law]]s.
===Scope===
Current project scope to be defined by current project members.


Really the only term you need to know is "editor showing a tendency to normalize sex with minors", and all you need to know is how to email Arbcom and how to copy diffs.
===Goals===

Current project goals to be defined by current project members.
Other questions, [[User:Herostratus]] is a founder of this project, and if he is still active, you could ask him discreetly (here; he doesn't use email) for another set of eyes or whatever.

FWIW, here is the original lede for this page:

:Welcome. This WikiProject is a group of editors working together on articles about pedophilia, child sexuality, and related issues. We want these to be at the level of the best articles on Wikipedia. Articles must be factual, from a neutral point of view and not censored. Please join us.

:A large portion of our mission is to reduce the spread of misinformation, whether that be caused by vandalism, advocacy, blatant ignorance, or even false good faith. This can include edits on both "side" of the issue.


===Parentage===
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===Related projects and [[Wikipedia:Wikiportal|Wikiportals]]===
===Related projects and [[Wikipedia:Wikiportal|Wikiportals]]===
*[[Portal:Sexuality]]
*[[Portal:Human sexuality]]
*[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Psychopathology]]
*[[Wikipedia:WikiProject Medicine/Psychiatry task force]]


[[Category:History and society WikiProjects|Pedophilia Article Watch]]
===Subprojects===
(none at this time)


<small>For more information on WikiProjects, see [[Wikipedia:WikiProject]] and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject best practices]].</small>
==News and alerts==

===Alerts===
[[Image:Storm warning (USA).jpg|left]]{{-}}
*Policy relating to Wikipedia's position on "pedophilia or the advocacy of pedophilia on the English Wikipedia" is at [[Wikipedia:Child protection]].
*[[Commons:Commons:Sexual content|Commons:Sexual content]] policy is being developed on the Commons media project.
*'''August 2012'''. There is a discussion at [[Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2012 August 13#Pro-pedophile activism]] about where the redirect {{noredirect|Pro-pedophile activism}} redirect should point (currently it's targetted at [[Age of consent reform]]). Your civil, on-topic views at the RfD page would be welcome. [[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]] ([[User talk:Thryduulf|talk]]) 15:41, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

===Project news===
[[Image:News.png|60px|left]]{{-}}
*Project is being reformed. If interested please add your name to participants list below.

==Articles tagged as part of this project==
Talk pages that include the template of the PAW project may be viewed [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Whatlinkshere/Template:WikiProject_Pedophilia_Article_Watch here].

==Tasks==
*None

==Watchlist==
{{userbox|sandybrown|cornsilk||'''[[Special:Recentchangeslinked/Wikipedia:WikiProject Pedophilia Article Watch/Watchlist|Show recent changes to watchlist articles]]'''}}
{{-}}
*View/edit the '''[[/Watchlist|watchlist]]'''.

==Participants==
Roll-call - active project members enter dated signatures here:

*<span style="white-space:nowrap;border:1px solid #999999;padding:0px;background:#FFFFff">[[User:Minor4th|<b span style="color:#000000;font-size:110%;"><font face="papyrus">Minor</b><b span style="color:#ff0000;font-size:80%;">4th</font face></b>]] [[User talk:Minor4th|<b span style="color:#000000;font-size:60%;">• talk</b>]]</span> 20:47, 4 July 2010 (UTC) Suggest that inactive members be polled for their interest in re-activating the project and participation.
* [[User:Lyrical Israfel|Tiny Israfel]] ([[User talk:Lyrical Israfel|talk]]) 18:05, 6 August 2011 (UTC) Just became re-active in Wikipedia,was gone for a couple years because of getting married. Am interested in assisting with projects and etc, please contact me on talk page. Thanks.
*[[User:Benjiboy5187|Benjiboy5187]] ([[User talk:Benjiboy5187|talk]]) 15:05, 13 February 2012 (UTC) Just started editing Wikipedia and would like to help make this project more active. Let me know via talk if there's anything specific I can start doing.
*[[User:SqueakBox|SqueakBox]] No longer inactive 00:38, 24 October 2013 (UTC)
*[[User:Qirtaiba|Jeremy Malcolm]] ([[User talk:Qirtaiba|talk]]) 23:51, 20 October 2018 (UTC) Interested in getting involved if this project is reactivated.
{{hat|Inactive participants}}
*[[User:CakeProphet|<font color="MediumBlue">The Prophet Wiz</font><font color="DarkCyan">ard of the Cray</font>]][[User talk:CakeProphet|<font color="MediumBlue">on Cake</font>]]
*[[User:DanB_DanD|<font color = "darkpurple">Dan</font><font color = "black">'''B'''</font>†<font color = "blue">Dan</font><font color = "darkblue">'''D'''</font>]]
*<span style="font-family:Gill Sans MT">[[User:Electrical Experiment|'''<span style="background:Black;color:gold">Electrical</span>''']][[User talk:Electrical Experiment|'''<span style="background:Black;color:gold">Experiment'''</span>]]</span> 00:30, 24 June 2008 (UTC)
*[[User:FloNight|<font color = "darkblue">'''FloNight'''</font>]]
*[[User:Herostratus|Herostratus]]
*[[User:Homologeo|Homologeo]]
*[[User:Jeeny|Jeeny]] <small><sup>[[User talk:Jeeny|(talk)]]</sup></small>
*[[User:Joey Q. McCartney|Joey Q. McCartney]]
*[[User:Warlordjohncarter|John Carter]] 15:00, 29 October 2007 (UTC) - May not be able to be as active as I might like, but will do what I can.
*[[User:Lihaas|Lihaas]] as far as i can
*[[User:Monotonehell|Monotonehell]]
*[[User:Springeragh|<font style="background:#808;color:#fff;"> '''''$PЯING'''''</font>]][[User:Springeragh/ESP|<font style="background:green;color:#fff;">ε</font>]][[User talk:Springeragh|<font style="background:#808;color:#fff;">rαgђ </font>]]
*[[User:Ssbohio|Ssbohio]]
*[[User:Stillwaterising|Stillwaterising]]
*[[User:The Scarlet Letter|The Scarlet Letter]]
*[[User:Thryduulf|Thryduulf]]
*[[User:Tony Sandel|Tony]]
*[[User:Tyciol|Tyciol]]
*[[User:Karl 963]]
{{hab}}

==Subpages==
*'''Deleted: [[/Ham & Eggs]]''' - list of banned users with editing history on project-related topics ([[Wikipedia:Miscellany_for_deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Pedophilia_Article_Watch/Ham_%26_Eggs|MfD listing]]).
*[[Wikipedia:Pedophile topic mentorship]] This is not really a subpage but an inactive/obsolete mentorship with some archives that might be of interest. [[User:Herostratus|Herostratus]] ([[User talk:Herostratus|talk]]) 17:44, 17 March 2010 (UTC)

==Templates==
{{Wikipedia:WikiProject Pedophilia Article Watch/WikiProjectNotice|category=no}}
Place template at the top of the ''talk'' page of an article that you wish to include in the project by copying in this line:
'''{{tl|WikiProject Pedophilia Article Watch}}'''

===Userbox===
If you want to display it, please copy '''<nowiki>{{User WikiProject Pedophilia Article Watch}}</nowiki>''' to your userpage, do not place in template space, thanks.
{{User WikiProject Pedophilia Article Watch}}
{{-}}

===Project barnstar===
Suitable for awarding to anyone who has made a material contribution to the project's goals:
{{-}}
[[Image:Paw star.png]]
{{-}}
Corresponding ribbon:
[[Image:PAW Ribbon.png|120px]]
{{-}}

==Votes for deletion==
Oldest at the '''top''', newest at the '''bottom''':
===2004===
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Childlove movement/2004-08-03]] (1st nomination. kept) Aug 3
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of self-identified pederasts and pedophiles]] (deleted) Oct 21
===2005===
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Teen pornography]] Feb 28 (speedy deleted)
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pedophilia and homosexuality]] May 8 (now redirects to [[Societal attitudes toward homosexuality]])
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lindsay Ashford]] (kept) May 12
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Star Trek and pedophilia]] (1st nomination. keep) Aug 19
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of alleged pedophiles]] Dec 26
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Star Trek and pedophilia (second nomination)]] (2nd nomination. deleted) Dec 31 17h02
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Childlove movement]] (2nd nomination. kept) Dec 31 19h30 ''page says no consensus and moved to another page on basis of consensus'' currently redirects to [[Age of consent reform]]
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Child pornography search terms]] (deleted) ?

===2006===
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lolicon]] (kept) Jan 14
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/GirlChat]] (deleted) Jan 21
*[[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Pedophilia]] (kept) Feb 8
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nikki Craft]] (kept) Feb 23
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pedophilia and child sexual abuse in fiction]] (kept) June 5
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sexual Morality and the Law]] (kept) July 24
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/BoyChat]] (deleted) Dec 13
===2007===
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Sexuality of Robert Baden-Powell (2nd nomination)]] (kept) Feb 5
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of films with a pedophile theme]] (kept) Feb 24
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Anti Pedophile Activism]] (kept) May 10 1h35
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/International Boylove Day]] (deleted) May 10 6h12m
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Marthijn Uittenbogaard]] (merged into [[Partij voor Naastenliefde, Vrijheid en Diversiteit]]) May 17 16h17
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Ad van den Berg]] (merged into [[Partij voor Naastenliefde, Vrijheid en Diversiteit]]) May 17 18h13
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Norbert de Jonge]] (deleted) May 17 18h37
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Timothy Ryan Richards]] (deleted) June 3
*[http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Commons:Deletion_requests/Wikipe-tan_lolicon_%282007-01-04%29 Wikipe-tan lolicon image on Commons] (deleted) June 4
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Lindsay Ashford (2nd nomination)]] (kept) June 26
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pro-pedophile activism]] (2nd nomination, Kept) July 7
*[[Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2007 July 31#Category:Child molestation victims]] (deleted) July 31 0h52
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/North American Man/Boy Love Association]] (kept) July 31 19h4
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pedo-baiting]] (deleted) Aug 19
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Gary Lewis (Pedophile)]] Sep 18
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adult-child sex]] (kept) Oct 15
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Dares to Speak]] (deleted) Oct 18 4h59 deleted 16h15
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Loving Sander]] (deleted) Oct 18 4h59 deleted 16h19

===2008===
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Teen pornography (2nd nomination)]] (deleted) Jan 3
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adult-child sex (2nd nomination)]] (deleted) Jan 17
*[[Wikipedia:Deletion review/Adult-child sex]] (deletion upheld) Jan 23 (closed but date listed [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia:Deletion_review/Adult-child_sex&oldid=187389223 here])
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Danish Pedophile Association]] (kept) Feb 15
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/René Guyon Society]] (kept) Feb 19
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Partij voor Naastenliefde, Vrijheid en Diversiteit]] (kept) Feb 26
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Pederastic filmography]] (kept) Mar 27
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of films portraying sexual attraction to children or adolescents]] (kept) Apr 4 4h58
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of books portraying sexual attraction to children or adolescents]] (kept) Apr 4 23h25
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of songs portraying sexual attraction to children or adolescents]] (kept) Apr 6
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jack McClellan]] (no consensus) May 22

===2009===
*[[Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Wikipedia:WikiProject Pedophilia Article Watch/Ham & Eggs]] Mar 3

===2010===
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Adult sexual interest in children]]
*[[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/The Pedophile’s Guide to Love and Pleasure]]

===2011===
* [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of books portraying sexual relations between minors and adults]]

===2013===
* [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Virtuous Pedophiles]]

===Archives===
<small>(Note: due to editor error the actual page history for this page from January 20 2006 to February 7 2006, not of any especial interest, is at [[User:Herostratus/Pedophilia]], which is now a redirect page.)</small>

==Deletions without vote==
*[[Jack McClellan]] (deleted by moderator) June 10 07
*[[Jack McClellan]] (deleted by moderator, no vote) Mar 3 09

==External links==
*[http://toolserver.org/~legoktm/cgi-bin/wikiproject_watchlist.py?template=WikiProject+Pedophilia+Article+Watch Wikiproject Watchlist - WikiProject Pedophilia Article Watch]

[[Category:History and society WikiProjects|Pedophilia Article Watch]]

Latest revision as of 21:49, 25 December 2023


This project is defunct. Its major role has been taken over by WP:ARBCOM. Some notes on how to handle editors who are problematic in this area:

  • Never call an editor a "pedophile" or similarly inflammatory term. You may rightfully get in trouble. Instead, use "editor showing a tendency to normalize sex with minors" or something. If engaging such editors avoid all inflammatory terms or rhetoric, it will only backfire on you. NPOV, RS, and FRINGE are your friends here.
  • We advise that generally you not engage such editors at all, particularly if you're inexpert in the subject and they are. (You can if you think it best in the particular situation.) If it looks to be a one-off bad edit, just revert it. If the editor is more prolific or persistent, move to the next step.
  • We advise you to write to ArbCom by email (only! -- not publicly here), with a succinct description (such as "We have an editor, [Name], showing a tendency to normalize sex with minors") and provide diffs. Arbcom will handle the matter discretely. (It's best to avoid a public back-and-forth on such a sensitive, emotionally fraught, and potentially triggering subject if possible, we think.)
  • If you don't get satisfaction from ArbCom, or think it's best to work it out here (perhaps if you're unsure if there's really a problem for instance), we recommend that you go WP:AN (not the more public WP:ANI) with a bland message, eg "I think we have a problem, please take a look at these diffs" and provide the diffs.

The great majority of the problem is from editors normalizing sex with minors (some with subtle cleverness, erudition, and sources; you may need to be on your game). But, you might get an anti-pedophile warrior. If they are not able to write in a WP:NPOV way, they also are not welcome.

(Terms which you don't usually need to know but FYI, technically "pedophile" describes an internal state, not an action -- the action is called "child molestation" or "Child sexual abuse". And pedophilia refers to attraction -- obligatory attraction, generally -- to children, up thru age 11 more or less. Attraction to minors, roughly ages 12-16 (or maybe 12-17), is different, and might be called Hebephilia or Ephebophilia. Normalizing sexual relations with any minor below the age of consent (Usually around 16 in most Anglosphere nations), or for that matter any minor at all (up thru age 17 generally) is not welcome here and is reportable, except perhaps when discussing minor-minor sex under Romeo and Juliet laws.

Really the only term you need to know is "editor showing a tendency to normalize sex with minors", and all you need to know is how to email Arbcom and how to copy diffs.

Other questions, User:Herostratus is a founder of this project, and if he is still active, you could ask him discreetly (here; he doesn't use email) for another set of eyes or whatever.

FWIW, here is the original lede for this page:

Welcome. This WikiProject is a group of editors working together on articles about pedophilia, child sexuality, and related issues. We want these to be at the level of the best articles on Wikipedia. Articles must be factual, from a neutral point of view and not censored. Please join us.
A large portion of our mission is to reduce the spread of misinformation, whether that be caused by vandalism, advocacy, blatant ignorance, or even false good faith. This can include edits on both "side" of the issue.

Parentage

Wikipedia:WikiProject Sociology

For more information on WikiProjects, see Wikipedia:WikiProject and Wikipedia:WikiProject best practices.