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* A note about ''1911 Encyclopedia Britannica'' entries on the [[Sassanid]] kings: I have noticed that most of the entries view the wars between the Persians and Rome/Byzantine as if the root of the conflict was about Christianity or how the Christians were treated in Iran. This is completely false. The Christians in Iran for all practical purposes were a non-entity or non-issue at that time. The conflicts with the Romans goes back to long before the advent of Christianity. They were for a variety of reasons, but religion hardly palyed a role as a contributing factor for these conflicts. I will try to gradually correct the entries, but I can sure use some impartial helping hands here. --[[User:K1|Keyvan ]] 15:41 Apr 11, 2003 (UTC) |
* A note about ''1911 Encyclopedia Britannica'' entries on the [[Sassanid]] kings: I have noticed that most of the entries view the wars between the Persians and Rome/Byzantine as if the root of the conflict was about Christianity or how the Christians were treated in Iran. This is completely false. The Christians in Iran for all practical purposes were a non-entity or non-issue at that time. The conflicts with the Romans goes back to long before the advent of Christianity. They were for a variety of reasons, but religion hardly palyed a role as a contributing factor for these conflicts. I will try to gradually correct the entries, but I can sure use some impartial helping hands here. --[[User:K1|Keyvan ]] 15:41 Apr 11, 2003 (UTC) |
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: I concur completely. Should verso be changed to reverse? Its pretty archaic. Today I believe the numismatic terms are just obverse and reverse. [[User:Khirad|Khirad]] 23:12, 17 September 2005 (UTC) |
: I concur completely. Should verso be changed to reverse? Its pretty archaic. Today I believe the numismatic terms are just obverse and reverse. [[User:Khirad|Khirad]] 23:12, 17 September 2005 (UTC) |
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In a recent sketch of the Sasanian dynasty of Persia, Soshandukht, |
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daughter of a Jewish leader, was included. |
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There is good and useful information on her in the "Jewish Encyclopedia" |
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(not to be confused with the also useful "Encyclopedia Judaica"). See the |
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articles entitled "Pahlavi Literature", "Persia", and "Exilarch". See also |
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the Encyclopaedia Britannica article on "Yazdegerd" for background |
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information on her husband. (He was a liberal who allowed religious |
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freedom, and was therefore condemned by the Zoroastrian priesthood.) |
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From material discussed in the JE articles I have concluded that |
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Soshandukht (also sometimes given as Gasyandukht, Sashandukht, Susan, |
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Shoshan-dukht, and probably other transliterations) was indeed a Jewish |
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wife of Yazdegerd I and mother of Bahram V "Gor". However, I disagree with |
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the popularly given identifications of her father. There seems to be in |
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the ultimate sources only the statement that her father was an "exilarch", |
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that is a hereditary leader of the Babylonian Jewish community claiming |
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agnatic descent from King David. One source appears to give her father's |
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name as "Galuta", but this is simply based on the Hebrew title "Resh |
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Galuta", meaning "head of the exile", which we translate with the |
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Greek-derived term "exilarch". There is one source, however, mentioned in |
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the "Pahlavi Literature" article, which implies her father was exilarch at |
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the time of the birth of her son Bahram. The dates of the exilarchs are |
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not absolutely certain, but from those I have seen, including from the |
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"Exilarch" article, the most likely choice would be Mar Zutra I, probable |
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son of Nathan II. |
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I have consulted these Encyclopedias in my local library, but I believe |
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JE is also now available on line. |
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http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2005-01/1105988449 |
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== Coinage == |
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"The coins of Bahram V are chiefly remarkable for their crude and coarse workmanship and for the number of the mints from which they were issued." What is the source of this highly debatable remark? In my eyes, the silver drachms are no better but certainly not worse than those of his forefathers. |
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Coins are easy to compare on one of the study websites, for instance [https://www.zeno.ru/showgallery.php?cat=2798 Zeno] or [http://grifterrec.rasmir.com/sasania/sas_varV_1.html Rasmir]. I don't see much difference in crudity there. |
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And were there so many more mints in use than under other shahs? Then I'd expect a quantification, not a summing up of some places. Rasmir mentions 22 mints for Varhran V and 31 for his father, whereas Varhran's son [[Yazdegerd II]] has 16 known mints. So - please show us some sources. [[User:Glatisant|Glatisant]] ([[User talk:Glatisant|talk]]) 08:39, 23 February 2023 (UTC) |
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:There are currently no sources cited for that. I should have separated that body of text with the one that I added which is actually sourced, which I have done now [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Bahram_V&diff=prev&oldid=1141104949]. --[[User:HistoryofIran|HistoryofIran]] ([[User talk:HistoryofIran|talk]]) 10:54, 23 February 2023 (UTC) |
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[edit]- A note about 1911 Encyclopedia Britannica entries on the Sassanid kings: I have noticed that most of the entries view the wars between the Persians and Rome/Byzantine as if the root of the conflict was about Christianity or how the Christians were treated in Iran. This is completely false. The Christians in Iran for all practical purposes were a non-entity or non-issue at that time. The conflicts with the Romans goes back to long before the advent of Christianity. They were for a variety of reasons, but religion hardly palyed a role as a contributing factor for these conflicts. I will try to gradually correct the entries, but I can sure use some impartial helping hands here. --Keyvan 15:41 Apr 11, 2003 (UTC)
- I concur completely. Should verso be changed to reverse? Its pretty archaic. Today I believe the numismatic terms are just obverse and reverse. Khirad 23:12, 17 September 2005 (UTC)
In a recent sketch of the Sasanian dynasty of Persia, Soshandukht, daughter of a Jewish leader, was included.
There is good and useful information on her in the "Jewish Encyclopedia" (not to be confused with the also useful "Encyclopedia Judaica"). See the articles entitled "Pahlavi Literature", "Persia", and "Exilarch". See also the Encyclopaedia Britannica article on "Yazdegerd" for background information on her husband. (He was a liberal who allowed religious freedom, and was therefore condemned by the Zoroastrian priesthood.)
From material discussed in the JE articles I have concluded that Soshandukht (also sometimes given as Gasyandukht, Sashandukht, Susan, Shoshan-dukht, and probably other transliterations) was indeed a Jewish wife of Yazdegerd I and mother of Bahram V "Gor". However, I disagree with the popularly given identifications of her father. There seems to be in the ultimate sources only the statement that her father was an "exilarch", that is a hereditary leader of the Babylonian Jewish community claiming agnatic descent from King David. One source appears to give her father's name as "Galuta", but this is simply based on the Hebrew title "Resh Galuta", meaning "head of the exile", which we translate with the Greek-derived term "exilarch". There is one source, however, mentioned in the "Pahlavi Literature" article, which implies her father was exilarch at the time of the birth of her son Bahram. The dates of the exilarchs are not absolutely certain, but from those I have seen, including from the "Exilarch" article, the most likely choice would be Mar Zutra I, probable son of Nathan II.
I have consulted these Encyclopedias in my local library, but I believe JE is also now available on line. http://archiver.rootsweb.com/th/read/GEN-MEDIEVAL/2005-01/1105988449
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[edit]Prior content in this article duplicated one or more previously published sources. Copied or closely paraphrased material has been rewritten or removed and must not be restored, unless it is duly released under a compatible license. (For more information, please see "using copyrighted works from others" if you are not the copyright holder of this material, or "donating copyrighted materials" if you are.) For legal reasons, we cannot accept copyrighted text or images borrowed from other web sites or published material; such additions will be deleted. Contributors may use copyrighted publications as a source of information, but not as a source of sentences or phrases. Accordingly, the material may be rewritten, but only if it does not infringe on the copyright of the original or plagiarize from that source. Please see our guideline on non-free text for how to properly implement limited quotations of copyrighted text. Wikipedia takes copyright violations very seriously, and persistent violators will be blocked from editing. While we appreciate contributions, we must require all contributors to understand and comply with these policies. Thank you. Dana boomer (talk) 17:06, 8 February 2014 (UTC)
Coinage
[edit]"The coins of Bahram V are chiefly remarkable for their crude and coarse workmanship and for the number of the mints from which they were issued." What is the source of this highly debatable remark? In my eyes, the silver drachms are no better but certainly not worse than those of his forefathers.
Coins are easy to compare on one of the study websites, for instance Zeno or Rasmir. I don't see much difference in crudity there.
And were there so many more mints in use than under other shahs? Then I'd expect a quantification, not a summing up of some places. Rasmir mentions 22 mints for Varhran V and 31 for his father, whereas Varhran's son Yazdegerd II has 16 known mints. So - please show us some sources. Glatisant (talk) 08:39, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
- There are currently no sources cited for that. I should have separated that body of text with the one that I added which is actually sourced, which I have done now [1]. --HistoryofIran (talk) 10:54, 23 February 2023 (UTC)
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