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{{Online source| year=2011 | author=Roy Hersh | title=LBV: The Other Vintage Port | org=For The Love of Port | url=http://www.fortheloveofport.com/port/lbv-the-other-vintage-port | date=May 9th, 2011 }}


{{Online source| year=2011 | author=Roy Hersh | title=LBV: The Other Vintage Port | org=For The Love of Port | url=http://www.fortheloveofport.com/port/lbv-the-other-vintage-port | date=May 9, 2011}}
== Opened Bottles ==
<i>Once opened, port wines must be consumed within a period of time.</i><br>
Could this be more vague?? Could someone please clarify or remove this? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.253.86.183|69.253.86.183]] ([[User talk:69.253.86.183|talk]]) 04:06, 17 January 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

==Attribution note==
Some of the content in the section '''Instituto dos Vinhos do Douro e do Porto''' is from the merged stub [[Instituto dos Vinhos do Douro e do Porto]]. [[User:Agne27 |Agne]][[Special:Contributions/Agne27|<sup>Cheese</sup>]]/[[User Talk:Agne27|<sup>Wine</sup>]] 19:49, 23 September 2009 (UTC)

==Long journey==
I've often seen it claimed, as here, that the "long journey" from Portugal to England necessitated that port be fortified with something like brandy. So much further than from France? Perhaps someone could explain this fragility of Portugese wines.[[User:RayJohnstone|RayJohnstone]] ([[User talk:RayJohnstone|talk]]) 05:19, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
:Fortification is not just a matter of distance, but also a matter of the temperature and season during transport. A wine does not have to be particularly "fragile" to be ruined by a journey of a couple of weeks in summer heat. That said, Port was initially not nearly as strong and sweet as today, and was initially used as a "table wine", but was much more stronger than Clarets of its day. I've read that the current level of fortification was arrived at in the early 19th century or so to imitate some top vintages. Sherry and similar [[Sack (wine)|sacks]], on the other hand, have always been fortified as far as I know. [[User:Tomas e|Tomas e]] ([[User talk:Tomas e|talk]]) 23:35, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
That the wine was fortified to transport it to England sounds like a legend. There were fortified wines before port (sherry is a good example). The wiki page on the history of Portuguese wines doesn't mention fortification for transport, it mentions that an abbot was making the wine by adding alcohol before fermentation is complete and that that innovation lead to, well, port (a wine that is both sweet and with high alcohol content). This made a wine that the English liked and that's why it became successful. Of course it could very well be that it became even more successful because it was also very stable. But that's not what the article says, and there should be some sources. Someone should add the appropriate tag. [[User:Le Morfal|Le Morfal]] ([[User talk:Le Morfal|talk]]) 16:37, 10 August 2013 (UTC)

::There could be many reasons for the "legend" of the length of the voyage. Personally, I suspect it being a problem of a second fermentation or come pollution of the casks or whatever, "turning" the wine. This could be a problem that had occured several times and a solution was made by adding alcohol, stabilizing the wine and stopping any second fermentation or turning. The length of the voyage got the blame and Port wine was invented.--[[User:Nwinther|Nwinther]] ([[User talk:Nwinther|talk]]) 07:48, 12 August 2013 (UTC)

==Pitt and port==
Port has been used therapeutically, notably for Pitt the younger when he was a boy. A
bottle a day according to Ehrman: "The Younger Pitt", also mentioned in EB 11th ed. This might be worth a mention.[[User:RayJohnstone|RayJohnstone]] ([[User talk:RayJohnstone|talk]]) 05:50, 6 December 2009 (UTC)
:Does this really deserve a mention? As of right now the "Therapeutic value" section should be deleted or vastly improved. It gives one example (with horrible reference style) of a person without any explanation or reason that the person is noteworthy. If port "has been used therapeutically" then there should be more to say such as other examples or discussion of the ailments for which it was used. [[User:Jallotta|Jallotta]] ([[User talk:Jallotta|talk]]) 07:05, 17 February 2010 (UTC)

I agree with Jallotta. The section appears as a passing statement with no relevance to the overall article. [[User:Remarks999|Remarks999]] ([[User talk:Remarks999|talk]]) 04:11, 29 October 2011 (UTC)

==Vintage Port==

The comparisson of price between bordeaux wines and vintage port whilst interesting sounds like an advertisment rather than encyclopedic. Perhaps Port does appear better value for money as the statment implies but listing prices which will change and go out of date does not seem the best way to go. Simply saying 'vintage port prices do not normally exceed x amount of money (£/$/euro etc) where as vintage wines can sell for much more' seems adequate if this statement is true. I really think this part needs reworking but since I do not profess to know about Port I don't think i am the person who should make these changes. 29th December 2009 [[Special:Contributions/82.26.72.231|82.26.72.231]] ([[User talk:82.26.72.231|talk]]) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 21:20, 29 December 2009 (UTC).</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:Agree, I rephrased it. [[User:Tomas e|Tomas e]] ([[User talk:Tomas e|talk]]) 12:05, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

== Continued English involvement ==

"The continued English involvement in the port trade can be seen in the names of many port shippers: Cockburn, Croft, Dow, Gould, Graham, Osborne, Offley, Sandeman, Taylor and Warre being amongst the best known."

Cockburn, Dow and Graham are all Scottish names, not English. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/193.130.15.240|193.130.15.240]] ([[User talk:193.130.15.240|talk]]) 18:09, 5 May 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== "Pass to the left" thing ==

Seems silly and pointless, but I left it in. It has no meaning or bearing on how the wine will taste, after all. [[User:Huw Powell|Huw Powell]] ([[User talk:Huw Powell|talk]]) 02:36, 16 January 2011 (UTC)

== port, not Port ==

The capitalization of the word ''port'' should be harmonized within this article, where it is often but not always spelled ''Port'' instead.

Since all English dictionaries I can find do not capitalize the word (see the relevant entries [http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/port here], for example) it seems most reasonable not ever to capitalize it in this article unless it begins a sentence or is part of a brand name.

I don't know about rules for capitalization in Portuguese, but even if the corresponding word is capitalized in Portuguese, this is an English encyclopedia, and in English the ''port'' in ''port wine'' is not capitalized. I am going to risk it and make this change in the article.--[[User:Jim10701|Jim10701]] ([[User talk:Jim10701|talk]]) 03:36, 21 June 2011 (UTC)

== Ambiguous sentence? ==

I'm not a native English speaker, but this sentence sounds strange: "It is typically a sweet, red wine, often served as a dessert wine, and comes in dry, semi-dry, and white varieties.". So, is it red or white? Sweet or dry? Could anybody knowledgeable in both English and Porto wines rephrase this sentence, please?

== How to serve and store ==

Link 14 appears broken and the information derived looks questionable, in particular there is no virtue in keeping T stoppered bottles upright, as the corks begin to decay and then break when removed.

the information stated here [http://www.ivdp.pt/pagina.asp?codPag=82&codSeccao=2&idioma=1''] could or should be incorporated somehow in the article:

Conservation

After the bottle has been opened, its conservation will depend on the Port Wine category and its place of storage. The suggested periods are only for guidance purposes

Vintage: 1 – 2 days
LBV: 4 – 5 days
Crusted: 4 – 5 days
Ruby / Ruby Reserve: 8 – 10 days
Tawny / Tawny Reserve: 3 – 4 weeks
Tawny with an Indication of Age: (10, 20, 30, +40 years): 1 – 4 months (Younger Tawnies should be consumed earlier)
White Port with an Indication of Age (10, 20, 30, +40 years): 1 – 4 months (Younger White Ports should be consumed earlier)
Colheita: 1 – 4 months (Younger wines should be consumed earlier)
Standard White Port, depending on the style: Modern (fresh and fruity) – 8 - 10 days; Traditional (wood matured): 15 – 20 days

Serving temperatures

Rosé Port: 4ºC
White Port: 6-10ºC
Ruby style Port: 12-16ºC
Tawny style Port: 10-14ºC''

== Sales ==

Perhaps some information about sales of port, present and past, might be useful. It's clearly a very valuable commodity, with a long history of being exported, stored, drunk and written about. If I find a reliable source of info I'll add some, but I'm no expert and would be happy if better informed people did the work. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Campolongo|Campolongo]] ([[User talk:Campolongo|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Campolongo|contribs]]) 06:30, 8 April 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Continued English involvement? ==

Several of the families listed incl. Sandeman are Scottish in origin not English.

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== Vintage Port ==

The section says that the oldest Vintage Port still available for sale if the Ferreiro 1815. That's not the case anymore, they sold the last one in March - they have bottles still, but they are not for sale anymore. I cannot remember / I don't know what the oldest is currently. <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/188.251.187.4|188.251.187.4]] ([[User talk:188.251.187.4|talk]]) 22:42, 16 July 2016 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Single-vintage crusted port ==

From the article it sounds like ''crusted'' port is differentiated from ''vintage'' port by being a blend of vintages that are approachable at a younger age. So what's the difference between "single vintage crusted port" and vintage port? Is it just "vintage port from a bad year that doesn't age well"? The phrase "...single vintage crusted ports have sometimes been made in the past" makes it sound like these single-vintage crusted ports were never very notable and are definitely not notable anymore, so I put a citation-needed tag and might remove the unsourced material later if the issue isn't addressed. Thanks, [[User:KinkyLipids|KinkyLipids]] ([[User talk:KinkyLipids|talk]]) 00:09, 16 May 2018 (UTC)

== Image: Different port wine styles ==

The image identifies the four glasses (presumptively from left to right) as "white, ruby, tawny, vintage".

The second (supposedly ruby) is a pale colour, more suggestive to me of an aged vintage. The article itself notes that ruby ports are deliberately manufactured so as to have a deep red colour. And the fourth (supposedly vintage) seems to be a deep burgundy colour, more suggestive of a ruby; aged vintage ports gradually lose intensity of colour, so that they become less red and more "orangey" as time goes by.

A late-bottled vintage doesn't lose its colour to the extent of a true vintage, at least not in the time it takes to be ready to drink. I would be pressed to distinguish some LBVs from a ruby, based on colour alone. Perhaps glass #4 is really a LBV?

I propose to change the caption for the image to switch "ruby" and "vintage"; I don't have a source for this change, so it would be [[WP:OR]]. But so is the present caption! ...I would, of course, welcome a [[WP:RS]] for the present version of the caption.

Incidentally, I always found it curious that tawny port is generally not the beige colour to which I would ascribe the term "tawny", but rather a faded red colour. Perhaps once upon a time tawny ports had a paler colour.

I can't distinguish the colours of the glasses captioned as "tawny" (3) and "vintage" (4) in the image. Perhaps a better image (with a sourced caption) could be found in some [[WP:RS]]? I do think an image showing the styles for comparison is helpful, and absent a better image with a RS caption, this one should be kept.

For what it's worth, I have never seen a ruby (gem) that wasn't basically a shade of pink; perhaps there exist rubies the colour of ruby port. There is a very large "ruby" in the Imperial State Crown of the UK, which might have that intensity of colour - I haven't seen the crown jewels since I was about 8. But I believe that gemstone is in fact a [[Spinel]] from Ceylon, and not a ruby at all. [[User:MrDemeanour|MrDemeanour]] ([[User talk:MrDemeanour|talk]]) 13:14, 19 October 2019 (UTC)

==Bottle images==
I noticed that of the eight images featuring bottles on this page, five of them depict Taylor's port. Given the number of port wineries, this is probably excessive. (The photos are of good quality.) The user who added them also added offsite links to Taylor's in the text, and inverted text to ensure Taylor's is mentioned first anywhere a list of producers is mentioned (and has made no edits to other articles). [[User:Mindmatrix|<span style="color: #8b4513;">Mind</span>]][[User_talk:Mindmatrix|<span style="color: #ee8811;">matrix</span>]] 15:29, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

== Question ==

Dear Writer,

Perhaps I oversaw my question in your article, but does there exist wine from that region that is not fortified and perhaps only is consumed there. I thought that fortifying is applied to wines which are very vulnaralbe and decay rapid. Am I wrong?

[[Special:Contributions/145.129.136.48|145.129.136.48]] ([[User talk:145.129.136.48|talk]]) 12:45, 1 August 2020 (UTC)


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== An opportunity to shine as an editor ==

I am a technical editor and I've just spent some time updating existing reference format and a few minor improvements but this article is a real opportunity for a text/topic-based editor interested in the subject. [[User:Philoserf|—¿''philo'''''serf'''?]] ([[User talk:Philoserf|talk]]) 21:59, 10 February 2023 (UTC)

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1. "Until 1986 it could only be exported from Portugal from Vila Nova de Gaia near Porto, Portugal's second-largest city."

The statement, as written, is misleading. It sounds as if Vila Nova de Gaia is the second largest city in Portugal which is not the case.

2. For the "white port" section it's not clear when it was first produced and how it's stored.

3. "Colheita port should not be confused with vintage port".

This reference should be made after the "vintages" section.

4. "The earliest known reference to a style of port with this name in a merchant's list is to be found in The Wine Society's catalogue from 1964, which includes Fonseca's Quinta Milieu 1958, bottled in the UK, also in 1964."

The sentence is unclear.

5. "Unfiltered LBV will usually be improved by extra years in the bottle."

What is improved?

6. "It can age as long as Vintage Ports and are very difficult to identify as LBVs when inserted into blind tastings of Vintage Ports."

This reference should be made after the "vintages" section.

7. "Filtered LBVs can improve with age, but only to a limited degree."

What is improved?

8. "Unlike vintage port, which has to be sourced from grapes from a single vintage"

This reference should be made after the "vintages" section.

9. "The term vintage has a distinct meaning in the context of vintage port. While a vintage is simply the year in which a wine is made, most producers of vintage port restrict their production of year-labelled bottlings to only the best years, a few per decade. Contrast with second wines, where (primarily) Bordeaux producers release a year-labelled top wine almost every year, but also lesser quality wines in some years."

This is not a clear explanation.

10. I'm not sure why there is a sub-section called "vintage port" under the "style" section immediately followed by a section called "vintages". I find it redundant and not structured.

11. The image of the Kedem New York State Port is not a good one since it's cropped. The bottle should not take the entire image. I would replace it with a better image.

ICE77 (talk) 23:21, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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