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1. "Until 1986 it could only be exported from Portugal from Vila Nova de Gaia near Porto, Portugal's second-largest city."

The statement, as written, is misleading. It sounds as if Vila Nova de Gaia is the second largest city in Portugal which is not the case.

2. For the "white port" section it's not clear when it was first produced and how it's stored.

3. "Colheita port should not be confused with vintage port".

This reference should be made after the "vintages" section.

4. "The earliest known reference to a style of port with this name in a merchant's list is to be found in The Wine Society's catalogue from 1964, which includes Fonseca's Quinta Milieu 1958, bottled in the UK, also in 1964."

The sentence is unclear.

5. "Unfiltered LBV will usually be improved by extra years in the bottle."

What is improved?

6. "It can age as long as Vintage Ports and are very difficult to identify as LBVs when inserted into blind tastings of Vintage Ports."

This reference should be made after the "vintages" section.

7. "Filtered LBVs can improve with age, but only to a limited degree."

What is improved?

8. "Unlike vintage port, which has to be sourced from grapes from a single vintage"

This reference should be made after the "vintages" section.

9. "The term vintage has a distinct meaning in the context of vintage port. While a vintage is simply the year in which a wine is made, most producers of vintage port restrict their production of year-labelled bottlings to only the best years, a few per decade. Contrast with second wines, where (primarily) Bordeaux producers release a year-labelled top wine almost every year, but also lesser quality wines in some years."

This is not a clear explanation.

10. I'm not sure why there is a sub-section called "vintage port" under the "style" section immediately followed by a section called "vintages". I find it redundant and not structured.

11. The image of the Kedem New York State Port is not a good one since it's cropped. The bottle should not take the entire image. I would replace it with a better image.

ICE77 (talk) 23:21, 2 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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I am a technical editor and I've just spent some time updating existing reference format and a few minor improvements but this article is a real opportunity for a text/topic-based editor interested in the subject. —¿philoserf? (talk) 21:59, 10 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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-{{Online source| year=2011 | author=Roy Hersh | title=LBV: The Other Vintage Port  | org=For The Love of Port | url=http://www.fortheloveofport.com/port/lbv-the-other-vintage-port | date=May 9th, 2011 }}
+{{Online source| year=2011 | author=Roy Hersh | title=LBV: The Other Vintage Port  | org=For The Love of Port | url=http://www.fortheloveofport.com/port/lbv-the-other-vintage-port | date=May 9, 2011}}
-== Single-vintage crusted port ==
-From the article it sounds like ''crusted'' port is differentiated from ''vintage'' port by being a blend of vintages that are approachable at a younger age. So what's the difference between "single vintage crusted port" and vintage port? Is it just "vintage port from a bad year that doesn't age well"? The phrase "...single vintage crusted ports have sometimes been made in the past" makes it sound like these single-vintage crusted ports were never very notable and are definitely not notable anymore, so I put a citation-needed tag and might remove the unsourced material later if the issue isn't addressed. Thanks, [[User:KinkyLipids|KinkyLipids]] ([[User talk:KinkyLipids|talk]]) 00:09, 16 May 2018 (UTC)
-== Image: Different port wine styles ==
-The image identifies the four glasses (presumptively from left to right) as "white, ruby, tawny, vintage".
-The second (supposedly ruby) is a pale colour, more suggestive to me of an aged vintage. The article itself notes that ruby ports are deliberately manufactured so as to have a deep red colour. And the fourth (supposedly vintage) seems to be a deep burgundy colour, more suggestive of a ruby; aged vintage ports gradually lose intensity of colour, so that they become less red and more "orangey" as time goes by.
-A late-bottled vintage doesn't lose its colour to the extent of a true vintage, at least not in the time it takes to be ready to drink. I would be pressed to distinguish some LBVs from a ruby, based on colour alone. Perhaps glass #4 is really a LBV?
-I propose to change the caption for the image to switch "ruby" and "vintage"; I don't have a source for this change, so it would be [[WP:OR]]. But so is the present caption! ...I would, of course, welcome a [[WP:RS]] for the present version of the caption.
-Incidentally, I always found it curious that tawny port is generally not the beige colour to which I would ascribe the term "tawny", but rather a faded red colour. Perhaps once upon a time tawny ports had a paler colour.
-I can't distinguish the colours of the glasses captioned as "tawny" (3) and "vintage" (4) in the image. Perhaps a better image (with a sourced caption) could be found in some [[WP:RS]]? I do think an image showing the styles for comparison is helpful, and absent a better image with a RS caption, this one should be kept.
-For what it's worth, I have never seen a ruby (gem) that wasn't basically a shade of pink; perhaps there exist rubies the colour of ruby port. There is a very large "ruby" in the Imperial State Crown of the UK, which might have that intensity of colour - I haven't seen the crown jewels since I was about 8. But I believe that gemstone is in fact a [[Spinel]] from Ceylon, and not a ruby at all. [[User:MrDemeanour|MrDemeanour]] ([[User talk:MrDemeanour|talk]]) 13:14, 19 October 2019 (UTC)
-==Bottle images==
-I noticed that of the eight images featuring bottles on this page, five of them depict Taylor's port. Given the number of port wineries, this is probably excessive. (The photos are of good quality.) The user who added them also added offsite links to Taylor's in the text, and inverted text to ensure Taylor's is mentioned first anywhere a list of producers is mentioned (and has made no edits to other articles). [[User:Mindmatrix|<span style="color: #8b4513;">Mind</span>]][[User_talk:Mindmatrix|<span style="color: #ee8811;">matrix</span>]] 15:29, 18 February 2020 (UTC)
-== Question ==
-Dear Writer,
-Perhaps I oversaw my question in your article, but does there exist wine from that region that is not fortified and perhaps only is consumed there. I thought that fortifying is applied to wines which are very vulnaralbe and decay rapid. Am I wrong?
-[[Special:Contributions/145.129.136.48|145.129.136.48]] ([[User talk:145.129.136.48|talk]]) 12:45, 1 August 2020 (UTC)
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 [[User:ICE77|ICE77]] ([[User talk:ICE77|talk]]) 23:21, 2 July 2022 (UTC)
+== An opportunity to shine as an editor ==
+I am a technical editor and I've just spent some time updating existing reference format and a few minor improvements but this article is a real opportunity for a text/topic-based editor interested in the subject. [[User:Philoserf|—¿''philo'''''serf'''?]] ([[User talk:Philoserf|talk]]) 21:59, 10 February 2023 (UTC)