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==Missing info== |
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* Are raisins individually plucked, i.e. removed from the stem or has the industry invented some form of machinery to automate this rather tedious job if must be done by hand? Anonymous |
* Are raisins individually plucked, i.e. removed from the stem or has the industry invented some form of machinery to automate this rather tedious job if must be done by hand? Anonymous |
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==Rehydration== |
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What do you call a raisin after you rehydrate it, is it still called a raisin or does it go back to being a grape?[[User:Jay the Despicable|Jay the Despicable]] 02:55, 27 April 2007 (UTC) |
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haha, a raisin always stays a raisin. [[User:Markthemac|Markthemac]] ([[User talk:Markthemac|talk]]) 01:24, 17 October 2009 (UTC) |
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Does it, though? - [[User:Dragonlover21|Dragonlover21]] ([[User talk:Dragonlover21|talk]]) 17:35, 17 May 2020 (UTC) |
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raisins make you fart. REALLY LOUD!!! raisin where do i begin to pledge my love to you your are the penut butte to my jelly i love you you wrinkly old fruit LOVE YOU RAISIN well raisin lovers i prefer PLUMS YEA I SAID IT PLUMS ON THE RAISIN PAGE<span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/90.208.229.76|90.208.229.76]] ([[User talk:90.208.229.76|talk]]) 22:06, 30 May 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Poisonous to dogs == |
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Someone should really add a section about that to the article. Raisins are very dangerous to dogs after all so I think it deserves being mentioned. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Pyrolord777|Pyrolord777]] ([[User talk:Pyrolord777|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pyrolord777|contribs]]) 22:31, 10 January 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Can you provide us with some references to support your claim? [[User:Dbfirs|''<span style="font-family:verdana;"><span style="color:blue;">D</span><span style="color:#00ccff;">b</span><span style="color:#44ffcc;">f</span><span style="color:#66ff66;">i</span><span style="color:#44ee44;">r</span><span style="color:#44aa44;">s</span></span>'']] 19:03, 13 July 2010 (UTC) |
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::A pretty simple google provided a fairly reliable one: http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/raisins.asp --[[User:Ericjs|Ericjs]] ([[User talk:Ericjs|talk]]) 20:42, 22 May 2013 (UTC) |
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:::Print source (from the academic publisher [[Elsevier]]) added.--[[Special:Contributions/217.155.32.221|217.155.32.221]] ([[User talk:217.155.32.221|talk]]) 13:38, 12 June 2017 (UTC) |
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I'm no superman |
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I can't eat 100 raisins in a second |
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And fly raisins to Africa |
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You wanna go (NO) |
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Hello fellow Wikipedians, |
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I can't read your mind |
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Like a raisin can |
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And tell you everything |
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You wanna hear but |
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I, I can be everything you wanna eat |
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If you're the one for me |
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Like raisin lovers I'll be unstoppable |
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I, yeah I don't believe in untasty raisins |
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I may be an ordinary wrinkly raisin |
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With juicy insides |
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But if you're the one for me then |
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I'll be your raisin |
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== Munakka – a variety of raisin? == |
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<nowiki>==Raisin in other languages== |
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I have found various references to "Munakka" but was not sure what that was until I did a web-search, where I found the following (although nothing on Wikipedia): |
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*In the [[French]] language, raisin refers to any kind of grape.</nowiki> |
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* [https://pharmeasy.in/blog/ayurveda-benefits-side-effects-precautions-of-munakka/ Munakka: Benefits, Side Effects, Precautions and More!] |
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I might be wrong about this, in which case do replace it, but English is full of words that mean similar but slightly different things in other languages; that doesn't seem encyclopædic to me. [[User:Mel Etitis|Mel Etitis]] ([[User talk:Mel Etitis|<font color="green">Μελ Ετητης</font>)]] 21:48, 30 Mar 2005 (UTC) |
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* [https://www.credihealth.com/blog/10-evidence-based-benefits-of-munakka/ 10 Health Benefits of Munakka] |
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According to the above, Munakka is also known as black grape raisin – so, I would expect to see it described here, but I didn't. However, I did see: |
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== Sultanas, raisins, currants. == |
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* ''Grapes used to produce raisins in the Middle East and Asia include the large black monukka (or manucca) grapes that produce large raisins.'' |
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Here in the [[UK]], I can go to any supermarket's home-baking section and buy three generic types of dried grape: [[raisin]]s, [[currant]]s and [[sultana]]s. Clearly, these three are all distinct from a UK perspective. However, I've seen currants called sultanas, sultanas called raisins, raisins called currants and so on. A clear distinction needs to be made, and a systematic, unambigous listing of what people worldwide are referring to when they say "sultana", "currant" or "raisin" in reference to dried grapes. Some example sources: |
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* [http://www.rbgkew.org.uk/plantfacts/festivefoods/raisins.html Kew Gardens] (UK) |
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* [http://www.pikowholefoods.co.nz/newsletters/dried%20fruit_no22.htm Fruit reseller] (New Zealand) |
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::I don't think that this is due to cultural differences; it's more that they all are so similar to each other that there's not a consistent labelling for them worldwide. It's simply that in the UK there may be an emphasis on correct categorization. I mean, in the supermarkets in the UK there are something like 10 different varieties of sugar (muscovado light/dark, demerara light/dark, etc). In the US there are only 3: sugar, dark brown sugar, and light brown sugar. In Italy they don't differentiate between broccoli and cauliflower; they call both broccoli, which can lead to some confusion. I think the current categorization is fairly accurate, and I recommend against keeping the "worldview" notice. [[User:FunnyYetTasty|FunnyYetTasty]] 10:04, 18 May 2006 (UTC) |
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This leads me to suspect that monukka or manucca are both variant spellings of "munakka" – if so, who knows which is the more authorative spelling. In any event, I suspect that this is an Indian noun, presumably from one, or more, of the dialects spoken in South Asia. |
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[[User:195.173.23.111|195.173.23.111]] 11:44, 30 March 2006 (UTC) |
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Comments? If someone has more knowledge then I, then I would welcome clarification in the article. |
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I don't mind your edit, since it is particular to your region, and it is frankly not that important to me. But you are incorrect that a "raisin" is a red grape and "sultana" is a white or green grape. They are both raisins, just like the grapes used to produce both of them are grapes. (Currants are a bit different, but I digress...) Cheers. |
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[[User:Enquire|Enquire]] ([[User talk:Enquire|talk]]) 04:34, 9 April 2023 (UTC) |
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:::Until only quite recently I never knew that there were those who use the term ''raisin'' to refer to sultanas and currents. So there's your Australian perspective. In Australian English the term ''raisin'' does not apply to sultanas and currents. If it is the same in the UK & NZ, then perhaps what we're looking at here is a North American English verses non-North American English. [[User:Jimp|Jimp]] 06:07, 6 December 2006 (UTC) |
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The page as it stands is clearly incorrect from a UK perspective, where currants are small, raisins are dark, and sultanas light and perhaps somewhat sweeter in taste. A picture of a dark raisin would be globally correct I believe. A picture of a light coloured sultana certainly is not. [[User:Djp|Djp]] ([[User talk:Djp|talk]]) 13:05, 13 February 2008 (UTC) |
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==Why they don't go off== |
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Does anybody have an idea why raisins don't "go bad" without any preservatives? |
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Yes, lots of sugar and very little water are self preservative qualities of grapes and other dried fruits. High sugar concentration is toxic for most micro organisms like bacteria so these babies won't easily rot. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Askewr|Askewr]] ([[User talk:Askewr|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Askewr|contribs]]) 17:02, 28 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Commercial edit.. == |
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I don't really feel experienced enough to intervene, but I think someone needs to do some damage control for the "AMAZIN' RAISINS" stuff which has to have been put there by a company person. <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/71.123.91.242|71.123.91.242]] ([[User talk:71.123.91.242|talk]]) 03:33, 30 January 2007 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned --> |
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== Raisin Sugar Data == |
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The nutrition table in the article shows a sugar content of 59g per 100g but the text indicates raisins are 90% sugar by weight (or 90g per 100g). If both are true, I think there should be an explanation. |
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<small>—Preceding comment entered by WH.</small> |
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::I have updated the sugar information with a number of 60%. The 90% number is most definitely out of the ball park. I also removed the claim of half fructose and half glucose and replaced it with "mostly glucose". According to raisins.org (since another source is not cited for this number) raisins are "70% glucose by weight." I am not sure if this is correct since it does not mesh with the USDA numbers of 60% sugar, but it is closer to a factual claim than half and half. |
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--[[User:Ahsile|Ahsile]] 22:25, 19 April 2007 (UTC) |
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==Rehydration== |
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What do you call a raisin after you rehydrate it, is it still called a raisin or does it go back to being a grape?[[User:Jay the Despicable|Jay the Despicable]] 02:55, 27 April 2007 (UTC) |
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haha, a raisin always stays a raisin. [[User:Markthemac|Markthemac]] ([[User talk:Markthemac|talk]]) 01:24, 17 October 2009 (UTC) |
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==History== |
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I find it hard to believe Mr. Eisen invented the raisin industry by accidentally drying some grapes given that, for example, the article on the game Snap-Dragon linked herein has quotations mentioning them back around 1810. Possibly he was the first large-scale industrial producer of them or somesuch, but that's not the same thing. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/69.241.224.123|69.241.224.123]] ([[User talk:69.241.224.123|talk]]) 22:01, 2 September 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:You are quite correct. I don't have time to write a proper history section, but I have removed the bogus history provided. A little research will show that raisins were known at least as far back as the Roman era, and even possibly to the Phoenicians and Egyptians. The stories we were told as children about being left out in the sun accidentally in California are purely marketing. [[User:Ahsile|Ahsile]] 14:40, 6 September 2007 (UTC) |
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Thank you. There is a lot of legend around the history of raisins, sometimes disseminated by industry marketers. One popular brand claims the raisin was invented in California in recent times when one vinter's crop failed and ended in raisins on the vine. Supposedly he marketed them as a "Peruvian delight" and "the rest is history". Vinters do refer to [accidentally] dried grapes on the vine as raisins. Also, a nice bit of history: rehydrated raisins have been used to make cheap wine in cases where fresh grapes were not available. This was a common practice in post-war Germany during the occupation by US soldiers. -chrishibbard7 |
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Dude(ette)s, I came here because I wanted to know where raisins came from. Can't we sort this out? I was eating a few and wanted to know about the ORIGIN OF RAISINS. That should be under history. -Wool,Sheep Have <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.249.155.185|70.249.155.185]] ([[User talk:70.249.155.185|talk]]) 22:30, 28 March 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== The word for "raisin" in various cultures and /or languages == |
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In the list of areas of the world where raisin are produced someone changed India to read "India(Kishmis)". It turns out that Kishmis is either the name for "raisin" in India or may be a style of raisin found there. It does bring up that different cultures may use a different term(s) for raisins (the "dried vine fruit discussion for example) and I'm wondering if that should be included in the article. I know some articles have a section where they have a language code, colon, and then the translation. Unfortunately, I don't know which of the Indian languages uses "Kishmis". <span style="border: 1px solid rgb(250,0,255); border-bottom-style: none; padding: 0 2px 0 2px; white-space: nowrap;">[[User:Marc Kupper|Marc Kupper]] ([[User_talk:Marc Kupper|talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Marc_Kupper|contribs]])</span> 00:12, 7 May 2008 (UTC) |
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::I wouldn't object as long as it was sourced and had valid information. The last few edits of this sort have only added vague information which, IMO, doesn't add value to the article. [[User:Ahsile|Ahsile]] ([[User talk:Ahsile|talk]]) 16:46, 7 May 2008 (UTC) |
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== The article doesn't explain why raisins have so much more sugar than the grapes you get the raisins from == |
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It is my understanding that grapes have far less sugar than they would if you turn them into raisins. If so, where does the extra sugar come from? [[User:Will Pittenger|Will]] <small>([[User talk:Will Pittenger|Talk]] - [[Special:Contributions/Will Pittenger|contribs]])</small> 05:31, 25 June 2008 (UTC) |
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::If you're doing the comparison per 100g, it's because the raisins are dehydrated. The lack of water increases the yield of sugar per sample. While it's not scientific, I believe that if you rehydrated a raisin and did the comparison you would be close to the grape numbers. [[User:Ahsile|Ahsile]] ([[User talk:Ahsile|talk]]) 20:01, 25 June 2008 (UTC) |
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the drying process concentrates all the sugars and thus results in a net weight reduction, it has the same amount of sugar as a regular grape it's size except it lost upto 60% of it's moisture. [[User:Markthemac|Markthemac]] ([[User talk:Markthemac|talk]]) 01:28, 17 October 2009 (UTC) |
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::the same happens when u concentrate other fruits, remove the water and only the fiber and sugars are left. [[User:Markthemac|Markthemac]] ([[User talk:Markthemac|talk]]) 01:30, 17 October 2009 (UTC) |
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== Reversion to grapes == |
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The following quoted text was removed because it cites no verifiable references: |
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:Raisins have been found to be able to revert back into grapes. Spanish scientists (Prof. Lopez et ''al.'' 2009){{Citation needed|date=December 2009}}, have found through reverse osmosis the rehydration of grapes can be achieved. Done by exploiting [[Aquaporins]] in the cells of the grapes and using a sugar with a higher osmotic potential (usually brown sugar) than that of the natural grape's sugars. This Spanish team have been able to revert the raisin back into an edible grape. This proves important in storage of the raisins through bad drought, to later on yield grapes when the vines have given no fruit. |
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--[[User:Gak|Gak]] ([[User talk:Gak|talk]]) 18:24, 8 January 2010 (UTC) |
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== Poisonous to dogs == |
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Someone should really add a section about that to the article. Raisins are very dangerous to dogs after all so I think it deserves being mentioned. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Pyrolord777|Pyrolord777]] ([[User talk:Pyrolord777|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Pyrolord777|contribs]]) 22:31, 10 January 2010 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Missing info
[edit]- Are raisins individually plucked, i.e. removed from the stem or has the industry invented some form of machinery to automate this rather tedious job if must be done by hand? Anonymous
Rehydration
[edit]What do you call a raisin after you rehydrate it, is it still called a raisin or does it go back to being a grape?Jay the Despicable 02:55, 27 April 2007 (UTC)
haha, a raisin always stays a raisin. Markthemac (talk) 01:24, 17 October 2009 (UTC)
Does it, though? - Dragonlover21 (talk) 17:35, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
Poisonous to dogs
[edit]Someone should really add a section about that to the article. Raisins are very dangerous to dogs after all so I think it deserves being mentioned. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pyrolord777 (talk • contribs) 22:31, 10 January 2010 (UTC)
- Can you provide us with some references to support your claim? Dbfirs 19:03, 13 July 2010 (UTC)
- A pretty simple google provided a fairly reliable one: http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/raisins.asp --Ericjs (talk) 20:42, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
- Print source (from the academic publisher Elsevier) added.--217.155.32.221 (talk) 13:38, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
- A pretty simple google provided a fairly reliable one: http://www.snopes.com/critters/crusader/raisins.asp --Ericjs (talk) 20:42, 22 May 2013 (UTC)
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Munakka – a variety of raisin?
[edit]I have found various references to "Munakka" but was not sure what that was until I did a web-search, where I found the following (although nothing on Wikipedia):
According to the above, Munakka is also known as black grape raisin – so, I would expect to see it described here, but I didn't. However, I did see:
- Grapes used to produce raisins in the Middle East and Asia include the large black monukka (or manucca) grapes that produce large raisins.
This leads me to suspect that monukka or manucca are both variant spellings of "munakka" – if so, who knows which is the more authorative spelling. In any event, I suspect that this is an Indian noun, presumably from one, or more, of the dialects spoken in South Asia.
Comments? If someone has more knowledge then I, then I would welcome clarification in the article.