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The spell or the age of Plato?

The text of this article subtitles vol 1 as "the spell of Plato" which matches my copy, and numerous online references, and the material of the book. The image however is "the age of Plato" which is odd William M. Connolley (talk) 16:12, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Extensive rewrite of the summary, 2023-02-22

Today, 2023-02-22, I have completely remade the summary section of this article, summarizing the book in a way that reflects its table of contents, and highlighting Popper's key concepts and their definitions. I am making a note of this in case someone has complaints about this major revision and would like to add them in a reply to me here. Thiagovscoelho (talk) 19:08, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not a fan, TBH. What was there before was punchier, and gave a better flavour of the book and Popper's argument. Yours veers off into blandness William M. Connolley (talk) 21:02, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

I believe that the details about the book should be preserved, especially the highlighted terms that Popper defines in the book, and the new summary addresses the issues mentioned in earlier talk page comments about the summary overemphasizing some parts of the book and downplaying others, since now every chapter is covered, and the summary has become more easily extensible. However, your criticism inspired me to add a paragraph to the introduction section that preserves many elements of the earlier summary, which should help people get a simple "punchy" overview of the book along the lines of what the page used to say. Thiagovscoelho (talk) 21:29, 22 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Archived outdated comments, 2023-07-02

I have archived most of this talk page, creating archive 1. Most of it was outdated by the time I wrote the topic about my major revision, but I think I didn't know how to make archives back then. Thiagovscoelho (talk) 01:31, 3 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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-Why the apparent surprise that it was first printed (by RKP) in London! [[User:80.177.213.144|80.177.213.144]]
+== The spell or the age of Plato? ==
-== Downloading ==
+The text of this article subtitles vol 1 as "the spell of Plato" which matches my copy, and numerous online references, and the material of the book. The image however is "the age of Plato" which is odd [[User:William M. Connolley|William M. Connolley]] ([[User talk:William M. Connolley|talk]]) 16:12, 1 February 2020 (UTC)
-Any idea whether this can be downloaded somewhere?
+== Extensive rewrite of the summary, 2023-02-22 ==
-OPEN SOCIETY
-Wasn't one of Popper's major points that modern societies are ever more dependent on technology to progress, that technology depends on science, and that science only flourishes where there is a free exchange of ideas? In liberal democracies, that is, rather than under totalitarian regimes.
+Today, 2023-02-22, I have completely remade the summary section of this article, summarizing the book in a way that reflects its table of contents, and highlighting Popper's key concepts and their definitions. I am making a note of this in case someone has complaints about this major revision and would like to add them in a reply to me here. [[User:Thiagovscoelho|Thiagovscoelho]] ([[User talk:Thiagovscoelho|talk]]) 19:08, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
-This would seem to be bourne out but events when Popper was writing (1945) and since. Fascism was defeated; Soviet Russia collapsed, whilst the West flourished.
+: I'm not a fan, TBH. What was there before was punchier, and gave a better flavour of the book and Popper's argument. Yours veers off into blandness [[User:William M. Connolley|William M. Connolley]] ([[User talk:William M. Connolley|talk]]) 21:02, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
-The issue is more pertient than ever, with the emergence of China--now and historically--a totalitarian regime. The contrast with India is instructive: it has been a democracy since 1948, and is now beginning to flourish in several scientific/technological areas. The barriers to free though there seem to depend principally on poverty, social inequality, and the entrenched caste system.
+::I believe that the details about the book should be preserved, especially the highlighted terms that Popper defines in the book, and the new summary addresses the issues mentioned in earlier talk page comments about the summary overemphasizing some parts of the book and downplaying others, since now every chapter is covered, and the summary has become more easily extensible. However, your criticism inspired me to add a paragraph to the introduction section that preserves many elements of the earlier summary, which should help people get a simple "punchy" overview of the book along the lines of what the page used to say. [[User:Thiagovscoelho|Thiagovscoelho]] ([[User talk:Thiagovscoelho|talk]]) 21:29, 22 February 2023 (UTC)
+== Archived outdated comments, 2023-07-02 ==
-China--what, 3000 years ago?--is credited with a number of technological advances, then seemed to stop. Anyone know why? My hunch is encroaching bureaucracy and the invention of the memo. My hunch, too, is that some of the advances credited to early Chinese society were actually stolen from elsewhere, though perhaps refined in China.
+I have archived most of this talk page, creating archive 1. Most of it was outdated by the time I wrote the topic about my major revision, but I think I didn't know how to make archives back then. [[User:Thiagovscoelho|Thiagovscoelho]] ([[User talk:Thiagovscoelho|talk]]) 01:31, 3 July 2023 (UTC)
-See my comments on umbrella.
-== Critique of Marx and Hegel ? ==
-This article only describes Poppers critique of Plato. His critique of Hegel and Marx, which must be recognised as a very important piece of work, is only mentioned.{{unsigned|81.224.241.132}}
-:I agree, at the moment the presentation is rather unbalanced and the portion of the article dealing with volume 2 of the book needs to be expanded. [[User:Nsk92|Nsk92]] ([[User talk:Nsk92|talk]]) 02:13, 19 July 2008 (UTC)