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== Seeger and Alain Aspect ==
== Seeger and Alain Aspect ==

Is it true that, in his book "the Quark and the Jaguar" Murray Gell-Mann "settles his account" with singer Pete Seeger and mention the experiment of Alain Aspect without naming him ?
Is it true that, in his book "the Quark and the Jaguar" Murray Gell-Mann "settles his account" with singer Pete Seeger and mention the experiment of Alain Aspect without naming him ?


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I'm new to Wikipedia, and stumbled across this article. I noticed that the 'Talk' page here has several mentions of controversies -- in the field of linguistics, apparently? -- in which Gell-Mann was involved late in his life, after the Nobel Prize. About a year ago, there was a comment by an IP editor that "There is actually a reference to Murray's linguistic ideas in the current version of this article" -- yet reading the article now and I can't find anything. Was this earlier reference scrubbed, and should it be reinstated? Besides a statement that "Gell-Mann has interests in... historical linguistics," there's nothing in the article as far as I can tell that would indicate his 'extracurricular' work. I don't know anything in particular about either the man or the apparent controversy, so pardon me for not writing more specifics.
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The other item I would propose would be for the article to include a brief reference to the "Gell-Mann Amnesia Effect," coined by [[Michael Crichton]] in [http://larvatus.com/michael-crichton-why-speculate/ a 2002 speech to the International Leadership Forum]. It's entirely unrelated to Gell-Mann himself -- Crichton himself admitted it was entirely tongue-in-cheek ("I refer to it by this name because I once discussed it with Murray Gell-Mann, and by dropping a famous name I imply greater importance to myself, and to the effect, than it would otherwise have.") So I'm not sure what the right wording would be, but considering that this article is one of the first results from the search string, it would seem fitting to include here. I'd propose to make it a disambiguation, but frankly I'm not convinced Crichton's term is [[WP:Notable]] enough for a page on its own. [[User:PublicolaMinor|PublicolaMinor]] ([[User talk:PublicolaMinor|talk]]) 08:51, 2 December 2014 (UTC)
:Hi {{u|PublicolaMinor}}&mdash; Gell-Mann's involvement with linguistics is typical of polymaths getting involved with various fields of science. If there's significant discussion around his contributions to the field, then it is worth including. My own five-minute quick search shows that most discussion easily findable by a guy sitting at home (i.e. I haven't checked the journals) seems to be meta-discussion about his interest rather than his core contributions. Yet to be honest, I did go to linguistics school and I did hear his name but that's because I attended an institution that he taught at. So happy researching! To your second point, I enjoy early Crichton as much as the next editor but unless his namedropping has generated some significant [[WP:SECONDARY|secondary discussion]], it's probably best to leave it out. Regards, <span style="font-variant:small-caps">[[User:Orange Suede Sofa|<font color="DarkGreen">Orange Suede Sofa</font>]]</span> ([[User talk:Orange Suede Sofa|talk]]) 05:04, 11 February 2015 (UTC)


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== Murray Gell-Mann Amnesia effect ==
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Does the Murray Gell-Mann Amnesia effect have a mention anywhere on Wikipedia? [[User:Leitmotiv|Leitmotiv]] ([[User talk:Leitmotiv|talk]]) 21:11, 15 February 2018 (UTC)


:It's mentioned in [[Talk:Murray_Gell-Mann/Archive_1#Possible items for inclusion?]].
Please help us determine [[WP:CONSENSUS|consensus]] on this issue. --[[User:Guy Macon|Guy Macon]] ([[User talk:Guy Macon|talk]]) 17:05, 21 April 2015 (UTC)
:It also appears in Wikiquote:
{{Wikiquote|Murray Gell-Mann#Quotes about Gell-Mann}} [[User:Davemck|Davemck]] ([[User talk:Davemck|talk]]) 22:00, 15 February 2018 (UTC)


:It is mentioned here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect
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[[User:Bmax52|Bmax52]] ([[User talk:Bmax52|talk]]) 18:29, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

Perhaps mention of the doctor's appointment as citizen regent of the Board of Regents of the Smithsonian Institution, for two 6 year terms, 1974-1988; perhaps in the category of awards and honors? Public Law 93-401, August 30, 1974 refers. <small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/144.183.224.2|144.183.224.2]] ([[User talk:144.183.224.2|talk]]) 22:35, 4 November 2015 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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:: [[User:Leitmotiv|Leitmotiv]], I believe nobody ''outside'' WP talks about it. The ''New York Times'' reference in the article has no mention of either Gell-Mann or amnesia. The WP-intern link [[Gell-Mann amnesia effect]] goes to M. Chrichton. The content of this effect is thin, and from Crichton alone, who for fun pasted the name of Gell-Mann on it. The ''Murray Gell-Mann amnesia effect'' is wikipedia garbage. [[User:Herbmuell|Herbmuell]] ([[User talk:Herbmuell|talk]]) 11:11, 2 December 2019 (UTC)
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I took a stab at filling in the citations asked for. I have to go do other stuff now, but the last couple shouldn't be that hard to supply. Also, the organization needs work: the distinction between "career" and "scientific contributions" is not clear. [[User:XOR&#39;easter|XOR&#39;easter]] ([[User talk:XOR&#39;easter|talk]]) 21:05, 25 May 2019 (UTC)


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Murray Gell-Mann Amnesia effect

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Does the Murray Gell-Mann Amnesia effect have a mention anywhere on Wikipedia? Leitmotiv (talk) 21:11, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It's mentioned in Talk:Murray_Gell-Mann/Archive_1#Possible items for inclusion?.
It also appears in Wikiquote:

Davemck (talk) 22:00, 15 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]

It is mentioned here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gell-Mann_amnesia_effect

Bmax52 (talk) 18:29, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Leitmotiv, I believe nobody outside WP talks about it. The New York Times reference in the article has no mention of either Gell-Mann or amnesia. The WP-intern link Gell-Mann amnesia effect goes to M. Chrichton. The content of this effect is thin, and from Crichton alone, who for fun pasted the name of Gell-Mann on it. The Murray Gell-Mann amnesia effect is wikipedia garbage. Herbmuell (talk) 11:11, 2 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

ITN proposal cleanup

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According to the comments of the In the News proposal (Wikipedia:In the news/Candidates#RD: Murray Gell-Mann) some sources are missing. Please be free to indicate give more details here. --MaoGo (talk) 20:13, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Well I missed that most of the lines lacking sources have a template. If there are other concerns that are not touched by the templates, indicate it here. --MaoGo (talk) 20:21, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

I took a stab at filling in the citations asked for. I have to go do other stuff now, but the last couple shouldn't be that hard to supply. Also, the organization needs work: the distinction between "career" and "scientific contributions" is not clear. XOR'easter (talk) 21:05, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Mistake

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It was a big mistake of Murray to get involved in linguistics. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.193.136 (talk) 09:35, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Ruhlen's work is seen with suspicion by most linguists. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.146.193.136 (talk) 09:39, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]