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Those two references about the name, currently reference 1 and 2, are, judging by references on the web, from the fascicle containing the L, 1898, from the Oxford Dictionary 1928 edition. What is it that has to be referenced about [[Sumer is icumen in]], currently the third reference, which has its own page? [[User:Mysha (nl)|Mysha]] |
Those two references about the name, currently reference 1 and 2, are, judging by references on the web, from the fascicle containing the L, 1898, from the Oxford Dictionary 1928 edition. What is it that has to be referenced about [[Sumer is icumen in]], currently the third reference, which has its own page? [[User:Mysha (nl)|Mysha]] |
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Why consider the limerick anapestic? Three lines are dactyls with additional unstressed feet at the beginning and end. The additional unstressed feet don't count. Those three lines could also be seen as ambhibrachs. |
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Also, they are an ancient form. Queen Elizabeth 1 wrote an essay on morality in this form, though I can't find it in the Web. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Indigocat|Indigocat]] ([[User talk:Indigocat#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Indigocat|contribs]]) 23:22, 22 October 2016 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Anapaests? |
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The Limerick ain't anapaestic |
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If that's what you think then you best stick |
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To prosaic matters |
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With free-versing chatters |
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It's amphibrachs keeping things zest-ic |
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There Limerick like poems in other meters (and the first example of course slips from the "true" form by finishing each line with an extra down beat, dropping the "al" from each of the longer lines worsens the English but improves the form!) |
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di DUM di / di DUM di / di DUM [di] |
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di DUM di / di DUM di / di DUM [di] |
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di DUM di / di DUM [di] |
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di DUM di / di DUM [di] |
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di DUM di / di DUM di / di DUM [di] |
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or to go back to Lear |
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there WAS an old MAN with a BEARD |
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who SAID it is JUST as i FEARED |
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two OWLS and a HEN |
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three LARKS and a WREN |
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have ALL built their NESTS in my BEARD |
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using anapaests would stress an, with, it, as, and, and, built and finally in. |
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[[User:Cricketjeff|Cricketjeff]] ([[User talk:Cricketjeff|talk]]) 13:54, 4 February 2017 (UTC) |
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The first two syllables are always weak then strong, and the classic example (There ONCE was a MAN from NanTUCKet) is unambiguously amphibrachic. I've edited the article to note that some forms are amphibrachic, while others are one syllable short of both amphibrachs and anapaests, depending whether one thinks a weak syllable is missing from the start or end of the line. |
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[[Special:Contributions/121.200.5.173|121.200.5.173]] ([[User talk:121.200.5.173|talk]]) 07:01, 31 May 2020 (UTC) |
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:The article (current version) contains the sentence: "The third and fourth lines are usually [[anapaest]]ic." suggesting that line 3 and 4 consist of 6 syllables. There are examples of it, but I think that another (imho more important) form should not be left out, which is that line 3 and 4 contain a iamb followed by anapaest. This form allows the limerick to be sung! |
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:di DUM di / di DUM di / di DUM di |
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:di DUM / di di DUM |
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:[[User:Bob.v.R|Bob.v.R]] ([[User talk:Bob.v.R|talk]]) 10:30, 24 March 2021 (UTC) |
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== Haptic poetry example == |
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The example of haptic poetry is interesting, but there is no explanation as to why it is a Limerick. Indeed there only seems to be one reference to the image on Google, in Polish ( https://poezja.org/utwor/161911-amstaffka-yoko-ze-zgierza/ ) with no mention of Limerick. Surely there should be done clarification, reference or it should be deleted. |
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[[Special:Contributions/94.14.136.222|94.14.136.222]] ([[User talk:94.14.136.222|talk]]) 08:23, 30 July 2019 (UTC) |
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:I agree with previous post: clarify or reference it. Or delete it. The objects in the picture do NOT reflet the length of limerick lines. Relevance to this article?? [[User:Pete unseth|Pete unseth]] ([[User talk:Pete unseth|talk]]) 18:29, 28 January 2020 (UTC) |
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== Suggest: Insert a new section after section 3 == |
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I would like to insert a new section after section 3. It would introduce the website OEDILF.com (The Omnificent English Dictionary In Limerick Form). |
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I suggest the following text. Is this OK? |
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The website OEDILF.com (The Omnificent English Dictionary In Limerick Form) has |
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the goal of writing at least one limerick for each meaning of each and every |
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word in the English language. Started in May 2004, as of June 2021 it has |
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attracted over 2,200 writers, who have written over 110,000 approved limericks. The |
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estimated completion date is 2063. |
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As of June 2021, only submissions based on words beginning with the letters Aa- |
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through Ha- are being accepted. Each limerick is "workshopped" to ensure that it conforms |
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to the definition of limerick in terms of meter and rhyme. Five experienced limerick |
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writers must approve it. New limerick authors are encouraged to join in the fun. |
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[[User:DavidGries|DavidGries]] ([[User talk:DavidGries|talk]]) 11:23, 22 June 2021 (UTC) |
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==Request explanation== |
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{{reply to|Inox-art}} Hi. Earlier, I proposed to add to [[Limerick (poetry)]] a small section about the website oedilf.com. Getting no response, I inserted the section. You deleted it. I respectfully ask you to explain why you did that. And, if you would accept the section with modifications, let me know what they should be. Here is my |
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reason for adding it. |
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No other limerick resource has so many limericks as oedilf.com. It has over 110,000 at the moment, with more being added every day. It is a living, growing resource. An encyclopedic page on limericks that does not a |
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mention oedilf.com in a way that all readers will see it is, imho, simply incomplete. |
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I know that OEDILF is given in the External links, along with 6 others. But that does not make it clear just what OEDILF is and how massive and important it is as a source of limericks. |
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[[User:DavidGries|DavidGries]] ([[User talk:DavidGries|talk]]) 18:29, 11 July 2021 (UTC) |
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:I do not support the reinstatement of the section in question. This article is about the limerick ''as such''. Since [[The Omnificent English Dictionary in Limerick Form]] already has a WP article of its own, it is appropriate that reference to the OEDILF here remain as an external link. -- [[User:Jmc|Jmc]] ([[User talk:Jmc|talk]]) 20:15, 11 July 2021 (UTC) |
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== Why is there a " { " at the top of the talk page? == |
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::{{reply to|DavidGries}} Hi. It's my understanding that Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and not a place to blatantly promote one's interests and opinions. [[User:Inox-art|Inox-art]] ([[User talk:Inox-art|talk]]) 16:51, 17 August 2021 (UTC) |
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I just noticed this and I was like hmmmmmm? [[User:Frittle|Frittle]] ([[User talk:Frittle|talk]]) 14:09, 16 December 2023 (UTC) |
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== Dirty == |
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:I wondered where I'd dropped that. Fixed now. Cheers, [[User:BlackcurrantTea|BlackcurrantTea]] ([[User talk:BlackcurrantTea|talk]]) 19:36, 19 December 2023 (UTC) |
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::Thanks! [[User:Frittle|Frittle]] ([[User talk:Frittle|talk]]) 13:38, 21 December 2023 (UTC) |
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== Algebra == |
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Given that the article stresses the importance of dirtiness, or 'transgressing taboos', in limericks, it stands to reason that some should be included here. |
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The successive algebraic simplifications of the mathematical limerick is rather unencyclopedic, isn't it? The limerick stands well on it's own, and explicitly performing the calculations seems like [[WP:OR]]. —[[User:St.nerol|St.Nerol]] ([[User talk:St.nerol|talk]], [[Special:Contributions/(St.nerol)|contribs]]) 13:14, 12 January 2024 (UTC) |
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[[Special:Contributions/86.238.240.24|86.238.240.24]] ([[User talk:86.238.240.24|talk]]) 06:46, 9 October 2021 (UTC) |
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Example
[edit]Must think of a better example. The metre is wrong on the current one -- Tarquin
- Is it better after taking out the vandalism from a couple months ago? --Brion
- Much. I obviously didn't read that closely... it's pre-breakfast in my time zone :-) -- Tarquin
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[edit]Those two references about the name, currently reference 1 and 2, are, judging by references on the web, from the fascicle containing the L, 1898, from the Oxford Dictionary 1928 edition. What is it that has to be referenced about Sumer is icumen in, currently the third reference, which has its own page? Mysha
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Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. —Community Tech bot (talk) 13:37, 8 February 2023 (UTC)
Why is there a " { " at the top of the talk page?
[edit]I just noticed this and I was like hmmmmmm? Frittle (talk) 14:09, 16 December 2023 (UTC)
- I wondered where I'd dropped that. Fixed now. Cheers, BlackcurrantTea (talk) 19:36, 19 December 2023 (UTC)
- Thanks! Frittle (talk) 13:38, 21 December 2023 (UTC)
Algebra
[edit]The successive algebraic simplifications of the mathematical limerick is rather unencyclopedic, isn't it? The limerick stands well on it's own, and explicitly performing the calculations seems like WP:OR. —St.Nerol (talk, contribs) 13:14, 12 January 2024 (UTC)