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Dispute unsourced Founding Father title

No prominent source can be found to substantiate the claim that Edward Biddle was a Founding Father. Unless multiple authoritative sources can be found to support this, the label will be removed. Allreet (talk) 06:40, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The signers of the other three founding documents are accepted per sources and various talk page discussions as Founding Fathers, and since there is no dispute that the Continental Association is a founding document, site consistency applies. Besides the defining 2017 Werther article "Analyzing the Founders: A Closer Look at the Signers of Four Founding Documents" in the Journal of the American Revolution here are two other sources which, for consistency and per WP:COMMONSENSE, acknowledge that the Founders include the signers of the fourth: The Founder of the Day article "Signers of the Continental Association" clearly states "Below is a list of the Founders who signed the Continental Association" [emphasis mine], followed by the names of the 53 signers (Founder of the Day also names the Association as one of the four founding documents). The worldhistory.edu "Top 10 Founding Fathers of the United States of America" - section "List of Founding Fathers of the United States" asserts "Also, two broader groups of Founding Fathers capture the signers of Articles of Confederation (the initial version of the American Constitution which was adopted in 1777 and ratified in 1781) and the signers of the Continental Association (created on October 20, 1774)" [emphasis mine]. Please add these sources to the pages of the other Association signers you are intent of removing from Founding Father status, thanks. Randy Kryn (talk) 12:32, 9 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

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+== Dispute unsourced Founding Father title ==
+No prominent source can be found to substantiate the claim that Edward Biddle was a Founding Father. Unless multiple authoritative sources can be found to support this, the label will be removed. [[User:Allreet|Allreet]] ([[User talk:Allreet|talk]]) 06:40, 9 February 2022 (UTC)
+:The signers of the other three founding documents are accepted per sources and various talk page discussions as Founding Fathers, and since there is no dispute that the [[Continental Association]] is a founding document, site consistency applies. Besides [https://allthingsliberty.com/2017/10/analyzing-founders-closer-look-signers-4-founding-documents/ the defining 2017 Werther article "Analyzing the Founders: A Closer Look at the Signers of Four Founding Documents" in the ''Journal of the American Revolution''] here are two other sources which, for consistency and per WP:COMMONSENSE, acknowledge that the Founders include the signers of the fourth: The [https://www.founderoftheday.com/continental-association-signers Founder of the Day article "Signers of the Continental Association"] clearly states "Below is '''a list of the Founders''' who signed the Continental Association" [emphasis mine], followed by the names of the 53 signers (Founder of the Day also [https://www.founderoftheday.com/signers names the Association as one of the four founding documents]). The [https://www.worldhistoryedu.com/founding-fathers-of-the-united-states/ worldhistory.edu "Top 10 Founding Fathers of the United States of America" - section "List of Founding Fathers of the United States"] asserts "Also, '''two broader groups of Founding Fathers''' capture the signers of Articles of Confederation (the initial version of the American Constitution which was adopted in 1777 and ratified in 1781) and the signers of the Continental Association (created on October 20, 1774)" [emphasis mine]. Please add these sources to the pages of the other Association signers you are intent of removing from Founding Father status, thanks. [[User:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] ([[User talk:Randy Kryn|talk]]) 12:32, 9 February 2022 (UTC)