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== F4 Phantom in Egyptian Service ==
===The Yom Kippure War===


I recently added F4Es into the current aircraft list using a recent list I found online, however someone removed them and said they had been retired. Could someone else confirm this as I couldn't find any information about their removal from service online. I only speak and read English, unfortunately.
i apologize i had that bad edit but honestly i tried to change it but for some reason i couldonot find it.
sorry for that, and i think the site have to do some thing with the EAF history laking the most important war in egypt's modern history.[[Special:Contributions/41.234.198.57|41.234.198.57]] ([[User talk:41.234.198.57|talk]]) 22:20, 24 November 2007 (UTC)


== Conflicting reports on Future Aircraft Section ==
some one deleted the Yom Kippur file
does he have the right?......haaail no.
i'll edit it again.


There seems to be conflicting sources in the Future aircraft section, specifically on the MiG-35 and Su-35 deals. For the part that says 50 MiG-35 were ordered, it lacks the source (which is on the MiG-35 page), however there are contentions that this was in fact just the EAF's MiG-29M/M2 order as they are very similar, if not the same aircraft. I haven't been able to properly review these on my own so if someone with more direct knowledge on the EAF could look into that section that would be very helpful. We should also be careful about the people coming in here with the sole purpose of making the EAF seem much stronger than it actually is without using sources. <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ironarcher13|Ironarcher13]] ([[User talk:Ironarcher13#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ironarcher13|contribs]]) 13:47, 10 September 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
== Early history ==


== TAI Turkish Aerospace produced 46 F16's ==
The early history section of this article was copied without acknowledgement from the identical pages at [http://www.angelfire.com/nb/eaf/history.html] and
I see a lot of editors or trolls reverting this information i want to know first why? secondly the goal of this revert?
[http://www.geocities.com/egyptianairforce/history.html]. These pages are in very poor English - the writer has no grasp of tenses - and is rather jingoistic and not particularly accurate. Working from memory I have altered the early history sections but this is a temporary fix - someone really needs to do the job properly. Also something on the War of Attrition would be good.
Here is the official TAI deal link <ref>{{Cite web|last=|first=|date=|title=tai link|url=https://www.tusas.com/en/product/egypt-f-16-program|url-status=live|archive-url=|archive-date=|access-date=|website=}}</ref>


More links
and I shall see to its development.
https://www.arabianaerospace.aero/phantom-wing-finally-re-equipped-with-f-16s.html
https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/tu-f-16.htm
elektrischeinstallaties.blogspot.com
https://news.lockheedmartin.com/2005-01-13-Lockheed-Martin-Sells-Its-Share-of-Turkish-Joint-Venture-to-Turkish-Aircraft-Industries-Inc-TUSAS


PLEASE STOP REVERTING FOR NO REASON[[User:Cengizsogutlu|Cengizsogutlu]] ([[User talk:Cengizsogutlu|talk]]) 01:38, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
Maybe the article need REW because:
1. "Egypt found itself attacking Israel with the British withdrawal from Palestine and the founding of Israel in 1947."
:Maybe the British forces were withdrawing from Israel in 1947, but the withdrawal finished only in May 1948- and only then Israel was founded.
2. "The Egyptian Air Force contributed to this conflict with C-47 Dakotas and Spitfires, claiming two Israeli aircraft destroyed, although '''unfortunately''' many more Egyptian aircraft were lost"
:POV
3. "'''After Nasser decided to nationalize the Suez Canal''', Egypt '''got involved''' in a war with Israel, France, and the United Kingdom."
:First of all, Israel declered war on Egypt because Egypt closed straits of Tiran- and it should but said here. Secondly, "got involved" is bad explanation for the situation - the meaning of closing straits of Tiran and naionalizing the Suez canal was a war - the leadership in Egypt, and Nasser knew it.
4. "These strikes were launched at 2 p.m. October 6 and were made without any air opposition from the Israeli air force"
:It's not true. Please read [[2-28 Air Battle]].
well i did and i found the mansura air battle where IDF lost 18 sky hawks and Phantoms all by direct air-air fire while EAF lost 5 MIG-21MFs : 3-for fule run off , one by air-air hit and one because of the extremly neer distruction of an enemy plan , in man power only one fighter pilot died while god knows what happened to the IDF guys LOL , another fact that the total jets in the were 180 : 60 from EAF and 120 from IDF so EAF pilots were out numbered and out gunned thuse they made the enemy lose 2/3 more than them and far more economoic value for the jets and do u know the kicker ....the source is wikipedia the arabic copy of yom kippur war and acig pluse a national magazine "al-ahram" that is about the air -air conquest now to the air-ground targets that were believed to destroy 25%of the attacking warplanes for the destruction of 5% of targets while what happened was that 85% of targets were destroyed for the destruction of about 5% of the first attacking wave meaning that the first wave maneged to achive 300% of the expected targets for the loss of 20% of the expected loses!!!! and for the ground-air conquest well no need to tell LOL


: Hello, just wanted to give my reasoning for reverting your second addition to the TAI F-16 production. I think the current 1 sentence gives the reader a good idea of what occurred, and then the ability to continue researching it themselves, but the second addition is overly detailed for this type of section, especially as it is written like its a new occurrence, when in fact those F-16s were assembled in the 90's. If you want to give more information on how some of Egypt's F-16 fleet were actually constructed by TAI, I recommend adding a segment to the first part of the Aircraft section, as this would make a lot more sense and not clog up the inventory section. Hopefully this conflict can be ended soon. [[User:Ironarcher13|Ironarcher13]] ([[User talk:Ironarcher13|talk]]) 13:37, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
==[[Wikify]] and [[NPOV]] tags==
I have added Wikify and POV tags, because:


::Just heads up I will be moving the extensive TAI F-16 production noting up into the main article. We want to avoid cramming detailed information into table entrie(s), the reader should be able to click a Wikilink to see detailed article corresponding concise table entry. per: [[WP:WHENTABLE]] - I will note the licensed production in the F-16 section though- cheers [[User:FOX 52|FOX 52]] ([[User talk:FOX 52|talk]]) 15:37, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- the syntax and grammar of this article should be improved.


:::Well as long as Cengizsogutlu is good with the move we should consider this issue over with. Thanks for the help Fox, happy editing. [[User:Ironarcher13|Ironarcher13]] ([[User talk:Ironarcher13|talk]]) 21:32, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
- there is a pro-Egyptian bias,


{{reflist-talk}}
- I don't have the knowledge to tackle the work myself.


== Egyptian Su-35 quantity ==
(although I respectfully disagree with the critique of the term "got involved", as the vast majority of non-Zionist opinion is that Israel started the war by attacking Egypt - c.f. 1973, when Egypt started the war by attacking Israel, and I consider the article cited - "2-28 Air Battle" has a pro-Israeli bias and is liable to fall foul of the deletion police for being non-notable). [[User:Winstonwolfe|Winstonwolfe]] 07:00, 24 July 2006 (UTC)


In the list of aircraft table, it said that Egypt has 5 Su-35 in service. However, the receiving of Su-35 by Egypt would be a secret between them and Russia. That's why media sources were very silent after the first 5 fighters arrived in Egypt. But then, came this website from 'Bmpd Livejournal' website, which is a Russian one. The article had a paragraph that said the aircraft the Russians had exported to different countries. This paragraph said that in 2020, the Russian defense industry exported 22 Su-35 to the Egyptian air force. So far, Bmpd livejournal didn't publish any updates on the Su-35 contract. By we know that Egypt received 22 Su-35 fighters. I edited the amount with the sources, but the edit got canceled after a couple hours. If you are having trouble finding the paragraph, just click the 3 dots and click 'Find in page'. Then write "22 Su", and right away it will tell you that 22 Su-35 fighters had been delivered to Egypt. I will edit again, and add source. Here is the source: https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4240466.html [[User:AbdoHesham123|AbdoHesham123]] ([[User talk:AbdoHesham123|talk]]) 14:51, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
Article has vastly improved, well done. Tags removed. [[User:Winstonwolfe|Winstonwolfe]] 05:54, 11 August 2006 (UTC)

==List of EAF aircraft==
While a list of current EAF aircraft is appropriate in the article, I notice it has expanded to include some "retired" types. Perhaps the authors would care to create a new [[List of Aircraft of the Egyptian Air Force]], including all types operated historically; such lists exist for many other air forces.[[User:Winstonwolfe|Winstonwolfe]] 02:28, 9 January 2007 (UTC)

dose anyone know whether or not Egypt and Mikoyan amended a deal fro the 40 Mig-29 SE's

i support your request and also want to add that putting the planes into groups accourding to type or rule shall be much better than putting them separatly

== NPOV problems ==

This article is fanciful at best. Besides the complete lack of citations, it's full of wishful thinking about the EAF performance. It desperately needs a cleanup. [[User:Bartleby|Bartleby]] 03:21, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
:If egypt bought 40 Mig-29, why isnt it stated on the page of Mig-29 {{unsigned|62.135.34.10}}
::It didn't buy them it's negotiating. And who the hell removed the Battle of Al-Mansourah article?! {{unsigned|196.205.227.195}}
:::I deleted it because it was copied verbatim from acig.org. [[User:Bartleby|Bartleby]] 21:01, 14 August 2007 (UTC)
::::Did u delete the 73 war article too ?? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/41.234.198.83|41.234.198.83]] ([[User talk:41.234.198.83|talk]]) 13:04, 23 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Israel Objects To US Sale of F-15s ==

The author says that Israle objected to the sale of F-15s to Egypt because Egypt was using wargames of which Israel was the "enemy", and the US supposedly confirmed this? I checked the person's sources and neither Israel nor the US says any such thing and one of the sources are no longer available.
Besides, I don't see what the problem is, since Russia routinely maintains that its missile and naval program are based on hypothetical battles with the US, since any successful training against the US Navy is a successful program.MPA 00:40, 31 October 2007 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 21:13, 17 January 2024

F4 Phantom in Egyptian Service

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I recently added F4Es into the current aircraft list using a recent list I found online, however someone removed them and said they had been retired. Could someone else confirm this as I couldn't find any information about their removal from service online. I only speak and read English, unfortunately.

Conflicting reports on Future Aircraft Section

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There seems to be conflicting sources in the Future aircraft section, specifically on the MiG-35 and Su-35 deals. For the part that says 50 MiG-35 were ordered, it lacks the source (which is on the MiG-35 page), however there are contentions that this was in fact just the EAF's MiG-29M/M2 order as they are very similar, if not the same aircraft. I haven't been able to properly review these on my own so if someone with more direct knowledge on the EAF could look into that section that would be very helpful. We should also be careful about the people coming in here with the sole purpose of making the EAF seem much stronger than it actually is without using sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ironarcher13 (talk • contribs) 13:47, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

TAI Turkish Aerospace produced 46 F16's

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I see a lot of editors or trolls reverting this information i want to know first why? secondly the goal of this revert? Here is the official TAI deal link [1]

More links https://www.arabianaerospace.aero/phantom-wing-finally-re-equipped-with-f-16s.html https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/tu-f-16.htm elektrischeinstallaties.blogspot.com https://news.lockheedmartin.com/2005-01-13-Lockheed-Martin-Sells-Its-Share-of-Turkish-Joint-Venture-to-Turkish-Aircraft-Industries-Inc-TUSAS

PLEASE STOP REVERTING FOR NO REASONCengizsogutlu (talk) 01:38, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, just wanted to give my reasoning for reverting your second addition to the TAI F-16 production. I think the current 1 sentence gives the reader a good idea of what occurred, and then the ability to continue researching it themselves, but the second addition is overly detailed for this type of section, especially as it is written like its a new occurrence, when in fact those F-16s were assembled in the 90's. If you want to give more information on how some of Egypt's F-16 fleet were actually constructed by TAI, I recommend adding a segment to the first part of the Aircraft section, as this would make a lot more sense and not clog up the inventory section. Hopefully this conflict can be ended soon. Ironarcher13 (talk) 13:37, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Just heads up I will be moving the extensive TAI F-16 production noting up into the main article. We want to avoid cramming detailed information into table entrie(s), the reader should be able to click a Wikilink to see detailed article corresponding concise table entry. per: WP:WHENTABLE - I will note the licensed production in the F-16 section though- cheers FOX 52 (talk) 15:37, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Well as long as Cengizsogutlu is good with the move we should consider this issue over with. Thanks for the help Fox, happy editing. Ironarcher13 (talk) 21:32, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "tai link".{{cite web}}: CS1 maint: url-status (link)

Egyptian Su-35 quantity

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In the list of aircraft table, it said that Egypt has 5 Su-35 in service. However, the receiving of Su-35 by Egypt would be a secret between them and Russia. That's why media sources were very silent after the first 5 fighters arrived in Egypt. But then, came this website from 'Bmpd Livejournal' website, which is a Russian one. The article had a paragraph that said the aircraft the Russians had exported to different countries. This paragraph said that in 2020, the Russian defense industry exported 22 Su-35 to the Egyptian air force. So far, Bmpd livejournal didn't publish any updates on the Su-35 contract. By we know that Egypt received 22 Su-35 fighters. I edited the amount with the sources, but the edit got canceled after a couple hours. If you are having trouble finding the paragraph, just click the 3 dots and click 'Find in page'. Then write "22 Su", and right away it will tell you that 22 Su-35 fighters had been delivered to Egypt. I will edit again, and add source. Here is the source: https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4240466.html AbdoHesham123 (talk) 14:51, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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