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F4 Phantom in Egyptian Service

I recently added F4Es into the current aircraft list using a recent list I found online, however someone removed them and said they had been retired. Could someone else confirm this as I couldn't find any information about their removal from service online. I only speak and read English, unfortunately.

Conflicting reports on Future Aircraft Section

There seems to be conflicting sources in the Future aircraft section, specifically on the MiG-35 and Su-35 deals. For the part that says 50 MiG-35 were ordered, it lacks the source (which is on the MiG-35 page), however there are contentions that this was in fact just the EAF's MiG-29M/M2 order as they are very similar, if not the same aircraft. I haven't been able to properly review these on my own so if someone with more direct knowledge on the EAF could look into that section that would be very helpful. We should also be careful about the people coming in here with the sole purpose of making the EAF seem much stronger than it actually is without using sources. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ironarcher13 (talk • contribs) 13:47, 10 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

TAI Turkish Aerospace produced 46 F16's

I see a lot of editors or trolls reverting this information i want to know first why? secondly the goal of this revert? Here is the official TAI deal link ^[1]

More links https://www.arabianaerospace.aero/phantom-wing-finally-re-equipped-with-f-16s.html https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/tu-f-16.htm elektrischeinstallaties.blogspot.com https://news.lockheedmartin.com/2005-01-13-Lockheed-Martin-Sells-Its-Share-of-Turkish-Joint-Venture-to-Turkish-Aircraft-Industries-Inc-TUSAS

PLEASE STOP REVERTING FOR NO REASONCengizsogutlu (talk) 01:38, 23 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Hello, just wanted to give my reasoning for reverting your second addition to the TAI F-16 production. I think the current 1 sentence gives the reader a good idea of what occurred, and then the ability to continue researching it themselves, but the second addition is overly detailed for this type of section, especially as it is written like its a new occurrence, when in fact those F-16s were assembled in the 90's. If you want to give more information on how some of Egypt's F-16 fleet were actually constructed by TAI, I recommend adding a segment to the first part of the Aircraft section, as this would make a lot more sense and not clog up the inventory section. Hopefully this conflict can be ended soon. Ironarcher13 (talk) 13:37, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Just heads up I will be moving the extensive TAI F-16 production noting up into the main article. We want to avoid cramming detailed information into table entrie(s), the reader should be able to click a Wikilink to see detailed article corresponding concise table entry. per: WP:WHENTABLE - I will note the licensed production in the F-16 section though- cheers FOX 52 (talk) 15:37, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Well as long as Cengizsogutlu is good with the move we should consider this issue over with. Thanks for the help Fox, happy editing. Ironarcher13 (talk) 21:32, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

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Egyptian Su-35 quantity

In the list of aircraft table, it said that Egypt has 5 Su-35 in service. However, the receiving of Su-35 by Egypt would be a secret between them and Russia. That's why media sources were very silent after the first 5 fighters arrived in Egypt. But then, came this website from 'Bmpd Livejournal' website, which is a Russian one. The article had a paragraph that said the aircraft the Russians had exported to different countries. This paragraph said that in 2020, the Russian defense industry exported 22 Su-35 to the Egyptian air force. So far, Bmpd livejournal didn't publish any updates on the Su-35 contract. By we know that Egypt received 22 Su-35 fighters. I edited the amount with the sources, but the edit got canceled after a couple hours. If you are having trouble finding the paragraph, just click the 3 dots and click 'Find in page'. Then write "22 Su", and right away it will tell you that 22 Su-35 fighters had been delivered to Egypt. I will edit again, and add source. Here is the source: https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4240466.html AbdoHesham123 (talk) 14:51, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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-== List format ==
-There is a discussion about the table format for the main list of aircraft at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation#WP:AVILIST]]. &mdash; Cheers, [[User:Steelpillow|Steelpillow]] ([[User Talk:Steelpillow|Talk]]) 15:34, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
-Also, I would suggest that editors stop making changes to the list table while it is being discussed, as they may get lost while the format is being revisited. &mdash; Cheers, [[User:Steelpillow|Steelpillow]] ([[User Talk:Steelpillow|Talk]]) 15:47, 11 December 2015 (UTC)
-===Update===
-The list of current aircraft has now been updated to conform to [[WP:AVILIST]] guidelines.
-The above discussion is continuing on the content of certain columns, so I would suggest that editors discuss proposed changes before making them, as they may prove unacceptable. &mdash; Cheers, [[User:Steelpillow|Steelpillow]] ([[User Talk:Steelpillow|Talk]]) 17:30, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
-* [[User:Steelpillow|Steelpillow]],[[User:Antiochus the Great|Antiochus the Great]] This is a note column, it was made to put small notes with a reference for each aircraft, not to put the same reference for all of them. There are some notes without references and I'm trying hard to find them, you know sometimes old links become dead. As for that future aircraft thing, well, there are 3 types of aircraft, those that are in service of the Air force, those that will be in service in the near future as their contracts have been signed and those that may enter into service since negotiations have reached final stages but no contracts have been signed yet. Any Ideas on how to sort this out ? - [[User:AHMED XIV|AHMED XIV]] ([[User talk:AHMED XIV|talk]]) 19:37, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
-::I have a radical idea; how about we try and only include current aircraft in a list of current aircraft? [[User:Antiochus the Great|Antiochus the Great]] ([[User talk:Antiochus the Great|talk]]) 19:45, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
-* And ? - [[User:AHMED XIV|AHMED XIV]] ([[User talk:AHMED XIV|talk]]) 19:50, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
-::For clarification, follow the link to the ongoing discussion. To save you scrolling up a few inches,  here it is again for you: [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation#WP:AVILIST]]. &mdash; Cheers, [[User:Steelpillow|Steelpillow]] ([[User Talk:Steelpillow|Talk]]) 20:33, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
-* I already agree with the table form which was discussed at [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation#WP:AVILIST]]. Now, We are talking about how the content should be shown in this specific page which I think here is the proper place to discuss it. - [[User:AHMED XIV|AHMED XIV]] ([[User talk:AHMED XIV|talk]]) 20:47, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
-* [[User:Antiochus the Great|Antiochus the Great]], A table for current aircraft, a table for future aircraft and a table for planned aircraft. How about that ? - [[User:AHMED XIV|AHMED XIV]] ([[User talk:AHMED XIV|talk]]) 21:41, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
-:::I believe ''[[Egyptian Air Force#Future|this]]'' is the best home for information on any future or planned acquisitions. You will have much more success there, as opposed to squeezing it all into a table. That being said, I won't necessarily object to any decision you take. For now, I am more interested in what directly involves WP:AVILIST on the current aircraft table. [[User:Antiochus the Great|Antiochus the Great]] ([[User talk:Antiochus the Great|talk]]) 22:03, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
-* [[User:Antiochus the Great|Antiochus the Great]], Great, I'll work on making these 2 additional tables (Future aircraft and Planned aircraft). Now about that linking issue, We can't just leave it empty or with this repeated "flight global" source. We could either add a small note with a reference to each or we could add specific references for each aircraft without adding any notes. I mean we've got an empty note column which we're not making use of. - [[User:AHMED XIV|AHMED XIV]] ([[User talk:AHMED XIV|talk]]) 22:29, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
-::::I think I have been all to clear with regards to notes. Don't put anything in that column if it easily found or better placed at the relevant aircraft and/or operator article. As for linking, you are welcome to participate in the following ''[[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Aviation/Style guide/Lists#Linking|discussion]]''. [[User:Antiochus the Great|Antiochus the Great]] ([[User talk:Antiochus the Great|talk]]) 22:52, 13 December 2015 (UTC)
-* [[User:Steelpillow|Steelpillow]],[[User:Antiochus the Great|Antiochus the Great]] Review my edits to the Aircraft Section, please. Any comments ? - [[User:AHMED XIV|AHMED XIV]] ([[User talk:AHMED XIV|talk]]) 01:13, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
-::I have no major issues, although I would do some things differently. But I think it best to let those lie. Thank you for your constructive approach. &mdash; Cheers, [[User:Steelpillow|Steelpillow]] ([[User Talk:Steelpillow|Talk]]) 10:12, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
-:::AHMED, I think your changes look rather good to me. Thanks for taking the time to discuss things here and doing a good job! [[User:Antiochus the Great|Antiochus the Great]] ([[User talk:Antiochus the Great|talk]]) 11:11, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
-== UAVs and target drones ==
+== F4 Phantom in Egyptian Service ==
+I recently added F4Es into the current aircraft list using a recent list I found online, however someone removed them and said they had been retired.  Could someone else confirm this as I couldn't find any information about their removal from service online.  I only speak and read English, unfortunately.
-Are the UAVs and target drones owned and operated by the Air Force? If so, then they can be included in the main table, using the UAV class to identify them. This would help readers discover whether say a K-8 Karakorum or an Aeryon Scout was a manned craft or a UAV. It would also help group all craft made by the same company. Also, from a modern perspective, "target drone" is just one role of UAVs. &mdash; Cheers, [[User:Steelpillow|Steelpillow]] ([[User Talk:Steelpillow|Talk]]) 14:52, 14 December 2015 (UTC)
+== Conflicting reports on Future Aircraft Section ==
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+There seems to be conflicting sources in the Future aircraft section, specifically on the MiG-35 and Su-35 deals. For the part that says 50 MiG-35 were ordered, it lacks the source (which is on the MiG-35 page), however there are contentions that this was in fact just the EAF's MiG-29M/M2 order as they are very similar, if not the same aircraft. I haven't been able to properly review these on my own so if someone with more direct knowledge on the EAF could look into that section that would be very helpful. We should also be careful about the people coming in here with the sole purpose of making the EAF seem much stronger than it actually is without using sources.  <!-- Template:Unsigned --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Ironarcher13|Ironarcher13]] ([[User talk:Ironarcher13#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Ironarcher13|contribs]]) 13:47, 10 September 2020 (UTC)</small> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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+I see a lot of editors or trolls reverting this information i want to know first why? secondly the goal of this revert?
+Here is the official TAI deal link <ref>{{Cite web|last=|first=|date=|title=tai link|url=https://www.tusas.com/en/product/egypt-f-16-program|url-status=live|archive-url=|archive-date=|access-date=|website=}}</ref>
-== External links modified ==
+More links
+https://www.arabianaerospace.aero/phantom-wing-finally-re-equipped-with-f-16s.html
+https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/europe/tu-f-16.htm
+elektrischeinstallaties.blogspot.com
+https://news.lockheedmartin.com/2005-01-13-Lockheed-Martin-Sells-Its-Share-of-Turkish-Joint-Venture-to-Turkish-Aircraft-Industries-Inc-TUSAS
+PLEASE STOP REVERTING FOR NO REASON[[User:Cengizsogutlu|Cengizsogutlu]] ([[User talk:Cengizsogutlu|talk]]) 01:38, 23 September 2020 (UTC)
-Hello fellow Wikipedians,
+: Hello, just wanted to give my reasoning for reverting your second addition to the TAI F-16 production. I think the current 1 sentence gives the reader a good idea of what occurred, and then the ability to continue researching it themselves, but the second addition is overly detailed for this type of section, especially as it is written like its a new occurrence, when in fact those F-16s were assembled in the 90's. If you want to give more information on how some of Egypt's F-16 fleet were actually constructed by TAI, I recommend adding a segment to the first part of the Aircraft section, as this would make a lot more sense and not clog up the inventory section. Hopefully this conflict can be ended soon. [[User:Ironarcher13|Ironarcher13]] ([[User talk:Ironarcher13|talk]]) 13:37, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
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+::Just heads up I will be moving the extensive TAI F-16 production noting up into the main article. We want to avoid cramming detailed information into table entrie(s), the reader should be able to click a Wikilink to see detailed article corresponding concise table entry. per: [[WP:WHENTABLE]] - I will note the licensed production in the F-16 section though- cheers [[User:FOX 52|FOX 52]] ([[User talk:FOX 52|talk]]) 15:37, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
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+:::Well as long as Cengizsogutlu is good with the move we should consider this issue over with. Thanks for the help Fox, happy editing. [[User:Ironarcher13|Ironarcher13]] ([[User talk:Ironarcher13|talk]]) 21:32, 24 September 2020 (UTC)
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-== Air Tractor ==
+== Egyptian Su-35 quantity ==
+In the list of aircraft table, it said that Egypt has 5 Su-35 in service. However, the receiving of Su-35 by Egypt would be a secret between them and Russia. That's why media sources were very silent after the first 5 fighters arrived in Egypt. But then, came this website from 'Bmpd Livejournal' website, which is a Russian one. The article had a paragraph that said the aircraft the Russians had exported to different countries. This paragraph said that in 2020, the Russian defense industry exported 22 Su-35 to the Egyptian air force. So far, Bmpd livejournal didn't publish any updates on the Su-35 contract. By we know that Egypt received 22 Su-35 fighters. I edited the amount with the sources, but the edit got canceled after a couple hours. If you are having trouble finding the paragraph, just click the 3 dots and click 'Find in page'. Then write "22 Su", and right away it will tell you that 22 Su-35 fighters had been delivered to Egypt. I will edit again, and add source. Here is the source: https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4240466.html [[User:AbdoHesham123|AbdoHesham123]] ([[User talk:AbdoHesham123|talk]]) 14:51, 13 March 2021 (UTC)
-The aionline source [http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2017-02-23/abu-dhabi-idex-show-highlights-key-uae-developments] actually doesn't say that the ex-UAE aircraft are AT-802U - it says that they are "Air Tractor AT-802-based Block 1 and 2 Border Patrol Aircraft supplied by Iomax". There is an article in February's ''Air International'' (* Ayton, Mark. "Archangel: Crop Duster to Tank Buster". ''[[Air International]]'', Vol. 92, No. 2, February 2017. pp. 24–33. {{ISSN|0306-5634}}.) which states that these were modified by IOMAX from normal AT-802 aircraft "and not from AT-802U as widely reported elsewhere".[[User:Nigel Ish|Nigel Ish]] ([[User talk:Nigel Ish|talk]]) 12:08, 25 February 2017 (UTC)