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== Precious anniversary == |
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I just thought to check and saw that you have been systematically reverting those automated deletions of former placenames by Materialscientist that I challenged at their user talk and then asked about at WikiProject Poland (discussion continues) and WikiProject Germany. I don't know how you have even identified them, Materialscientist makes so many edits, but there is clear agreement that the name removals, at least, should be undone. Thank you very much for stepping up and doing that. [[User:Yngvadottir|Yngvadottir]] ([[User talk:Yngvadottir|talk]]) 12:05, 22 October 2023 (UTC) |
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:Seconded, thank you. The names of these towns as they were known to the world for centuries, and perhaps more importantly as they were known the people who lived their lives there and whose bones are buried in that earth, are undeniably historically and genealogically relevant and deserve to be included. Inclusion of these names should not be regarded as controversial in the slightest. Your efforts in this matter have my appreciation and support. [[User:Ascended Dreamer|Ascended Dreamer]] ([[User talk:Ascended Dreamer|talk]]) 23:28, 22 October 2023 (UTC) |
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Thank you for the article! It's also featured on [[Portal:Germany]]. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 07:15, 7 April 2019 (UTC) |
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== Königsberg == |
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Hello HerhusMonte, your sweeping reversal - what do you mean by "POVish", please - has put back all the poor English copyedits and such unfortunate and colossal bloomers like describing Hebrew script as "Yiddish" for the city's name! Is it possible you could be more exacting and helpful in your editing?? --[[User:Po Mieczu|Po Mieczu]] ([[User talk:Po Mieczu|talk]]) 12:04, 9 June 2019 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|Po Mieczu}} Why did you move specific languages to the top? I don't see any reason to split the names like that. I'm unable to read Hebrew, I guess it's just the specific spelling of the Yiddish "Kenigsberg" in Hebrew letters.I don't think it's actually a different name. |
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:Calling the [[Albertina]] an "initially Polish and Lithunaian intellectual center“ is an [[WP:Exceptional claims|exceptional claim]] which needs a much better source than the source you provided (a [[wayback machine]] version of "Albertina on postcards and stamps"). The Albertina was a German language University from the start, your selective choice of notable students shows a significant national (POVish) bias. |
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:You replaced a section header [[Duchy of Prussia]] with [[Polish Prussia]]. Polish Prussia is a term used for [[Royal Prussia]], the western part of the Teutonic Order's state which became part of Poland in 1466. Königsberg was not part of Royal/Polish Prussia. Again a POVish edit. |
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:Some other changes were just minor sentence constructions, grammatically wrong (Stadtstheater) or unsourced. I'm pretty sure the Königsberg garrison wasn't "quartered" and [[Christian Ludwig von Kalckstein]] wasn't assassinated but sentenced to death by a Prussian court. |
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:If you think some of your changes should be adopted, please seek [[WP:Consensus]] at the relevant talk page. [[User:HerkusMonte|HerkusMonte]] ([[User talk:HerkusMonte#top|talk]]) 13:10, 9 June 2019 (UTC) |
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== Ethnicity of Spätaussiedler == |
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Look, English wikipedia very clearly says that they could be of any ethnicity, not just ethnic Germans: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_return#Germany |
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Quote from the "Right of return" article, "Germany" section: "German law allows (1) persons descending from German nationals '''OF ANY ETHNICITY''' or (2) persons of ethnic German descent and living in countries of the former Warsaw Pact (as well as Yugoslavia) the right to "return" to Germany and ("re")claim German citizenship." |
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Also, Spätaussiedler do not have to be Reichsdeutsche but also Volksdeutsche (who were not German citizens before WW2, but lived for example in Volhynia). |
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[[User:Domen von Wielkopolska|Domen von Wielkopolska]] ([[User talk:Domen von Wielkopolska|talk]]) 16:34, 28 June 2019 (UTC) |
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: Here is Deutsche Welle article about Spätaussiedler which clearly mentions that many of them were ethnic Poles or with mixed Polish-German identity: |
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: https://www.dw.com/pl/emigracja-z-polski-do-niemiec-liczna-i-prawie-niewidoczna/a-16181647 [[User:Domen von Wielkopolska|Domen von Wielkopolska]] ([[User talk:Domen von Wielkopolska|talk]]) 16:58, 28 June 2019 (UTC) |
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: Actually the article mentions Czesław Gołębiewski and [[Lukas Podolski]] as examples of ethnic Polish Spätaussiedler (not family members, but Spätaussiedler - they could be ethnic Poles or other ethnic Slavs as well). I will remove those edits by sock. [[User:Domen von Wielkopolska|Domen von Wielkopolska]] ([[User talk:Domen von Wielkopolska#top|talk]]) 17:09, 28 June 2019 (UTC) |
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== Question about Spätaussiedler == |
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Immigrants from pre-war Polish Silesia (East Upper Silesia) were also counted as Spätaussiedler or not? |
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Because there were around 2 million Einhemische Silesians there in 1950: https://i.imgur.com/HmJiihn.png |
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Source (Tabelle 7): https://ulis-buecherecke.ch/pdf_neben_dem_krieg/schlesien_und_die_schlesier.pdf |
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Wojewodschaft Kattowitz included small part of West Upper Silesia with over 300,000 Autochthons, but the remaining 2 million were Einhemische Silesians from East Upper Silesia, which had been part of Poland already before 1939. Many East Upper Silesians also emigrated to Germany for economical reasons. |
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If they were counted as Spätaussiedler, then you cannot equate Spätaussiedler with "autochthons of Regained Lands". |
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In such case I suggest we should remove the statement about the number of Spätaussiedler because it has nothing to do with the number of "autochthons of Regained Lands", as Spätaussiedler could be recruited also from other groups (Volksdeutsche in all regions of Poland, even Lublin etc., Silesians in East Upper Silesia which is not part of "Regained Lands", etc.). |
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I removed that statement from those two articles, but I added it to the article about Right of return: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_return#Germany |
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And I added "See also" templates linking to Right of return page to those two Ostgebiete-related articles. |
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[[User:Domen von Wielkopolska|Domen von Wielkopolska]] ([[User talk:Domen von Wielkopolska|talk]]) 10:07, 23 October 2019 (UTC) |
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Please see note on your DYK review. [[User:Yoninah|Yoninah]] ([[User talk:Yoninah|talk]]) 22:59, 4 November 2019 (UTC) |
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: I fixed it. --[[User:Gerda Arendt|Gerda Arendt]] ([[User talk:Gerda Arendt|talk]]) 07:55, 5 November 2019 (UTC) |
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==Charles Fryatt== |
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Hi, can you provide an English translation of the quote you added to the reference? I think it would benefit those readers who don't speak German. [[User:Mjroots|Mjroots]] ([[User talk:Mjroots|talk]]) 03:59, 3 December 2019 (UTC) |
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== Gdansk vote == |
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Please respect Gdansk vote-it isn't used for modern locations in Poland or administrative districts.--[[User:MyMoloboaccount|MyMoloboaccount]] ([[User talk:MyMoloboaccount|talk]]) 12:52, 29 March 2020 (UTC) |
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:{{ping|MyMoloboaccount}}: "''For Gdansk and other locations that share a history between Germany and Poland, the first reference of one name in an article should also include a reference to other names''" These districts obviously share a history, the date of construction of the current houses is completely irrelevant. [[User:HerkusMonte|HerkusMonte]] ([[User talk:HerkusMonte#top|talk]]) 14:07, 29 March 2020 (UTC) |
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::Warsaw shares a lot of history with Germany Herkus-are you claiming all locations in Warsaw and its administrative districts should have Germanised names? For instance are you claiming [[]]Wola district should have Germanised name just because [[Wola Massacre]] happened there?--[[User:MyMoloboaccount|MyMoloboaccount]] ([[User talk:MyMoloboaccount|talk]]) 14:12, 29 March 2020 (UTC) |
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::::Please try to keep this discussion factual. [[User:HerkusMonte|HerkusMonte]] ([[User talk:HerkusMonte#top|talk]]) 14:17, 29 March 2020 (UTC) |
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:::::Sorry,are you saying Wola Massacre didn't happen? Please clarify. I believe you are seriously misrepresenting the vote-it isn't used for descriptions of modern locations but for historical part of the articles. Since all of Poland was once under German occupation in WW2 your interpretation would mean every Polish location should have a Germanised name-which is obviously wrong and absurd.--[[User:MyMoloboaccount|MyMoloboaccount]] ([[User talk:MyMoloboaccount|talk]]) 14:19, 29 March 2020 (UTC) |
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==Masurian People's Party== |
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Hello. Just a heads up: You introduced a contradictory claim in this article that an MVP candidate received around a third of the vote in a constituency, but the winning Conservative Party candidate received 73% of the vote. Cheers, [[User:Number 57|<span style="color: orange;">Number</span>]] [[User talk:Number 57|<span style="color: green;">5</span>]][[Special:Contributions/Number 57|<span style="color: blue;">7</span>]] 18:52, 3 April 2020 (UTC) |
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==Notable Masurians== |
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Hi, [[Hieronim Malecki]] moved to Masuria in the 1500s but at that time a lot of Poles/Masovians were moving to Masuria, so I think he should be added back because he was one of the "founders" of this population, and he was Lutheran. I'll add him back. The ones without articles on English Wikipedia were taken from Polish Wikipedia.<br>[[User:Domen von Wielkopolska|Domen von Wielkopolska]] ([[User talk:Domen von Wielkopolska|talk]]) 12:15, 5 June 2020 (UTC) |
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== Translation request == |
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Hello HerkusMonte, Would you write / translate the article of [[Isabelle de Charrière]] (Q123386) for the NDS Wikipedia? That would be appreciated. [[User:Boss-well63|Boss-well63]] ([[User talk:Boss-well63|talk]]) 13:02, 13 October 2020 (UTC) |
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== Before/after 1945... == |
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I would perhaps suggest that you refrain form adding stand alone text about "before 1945" (it was Germany) or "after 1945" (expelled Germans) into every Polish town and village article. In some cases, it appears that the new text exceeds what's already written in these small stub articles, thus clearly creating issues of undue weight and balance. Also, if you want to expand on the history of a particular place, then please start at the beginning, as most of those areas were part of the Piast Poland and were inhabited by the Slavs, before German colonization. 1945 is not the "start of history", for those places. --[[User:E-960|E-960]] ([[User talk:E-960|talk]]) 14:19, 20 February 2022 (UTC) |
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:[[User:E-960|E-960]], If you would take a closer look to my edits you would realize I only reverted a sockpuppet. The single sentence "the area was part of Germany before 1945" was added by the bot who created these articles (e.g. [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=%C5%BBychlikowo&diff=279102958&oldid=275997731], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Ganitajny&diff=277266423&oldid=273639573], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Merguny&diff=277301398&oldid=273640137]). I restored longstanding versions of these articles. Could you please explain why you deleted clearly sourced content ([https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Budzieszewice&diff=1073202960&oldid=1064466964], [https://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Kobylnik,_Z%C5%82ot%C3%B3w_County&diff=1073001810&oldid=1067266658]) [[User:HerkusMonte|HerkusMonte]] ([[User talk:HerkusMonte#top|talk]]) 16:24, 22 February 2022 (UTC) |
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::Yes, upon further review I did notice that a bot used a template to generate these stub articles for Polish towns and villages. However, I'm not sure if a person set the template up and the bot did the rest, as I'm not familiar with the technical aspect of this. However, I'm completely taken aback by the fact that out of ALL the history, the only reference made was that "prior to 1945 it was Germany" (since forever???). This is clearly POV-ish, and cherry-picked. I think a bot should be used to remove these blurb statements, or include a bit more detail to summarize the history of the region(s) from the start. --[[User:E-960|E-960]] ([[User talk:E-960|talk]]) 18:09, 22 February 2022 (UTC) |
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:::It's funny how you're calling it "POV" and "cherry-picked", while you're deleting facts about the changing of borders in 1945 and deleting sourced German place names, but at the same time you're adding the information - totally standing-alone - , that this areas belonged to Poland 1000 years ago (!)... A time where the most of this villages WASN'T even founded! lol.. Just to proof the claim of the ancient Piast/Polish grounds... THIS is POV... It's so obvious what your intention is. --[[User:Jonny84|Jonny84]] ([[User talk:Jonny84|talk]]) 04:02, 25 February 2022 (UTC) |
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::::[[User:Jonny84|Jonny84]], stop casting [[WP:ASPERSIONS]] and imply what my "intentions" are. When someone adds a statement to a sort stub article and only says "before 1945 it was germany" and nothing else... it's POV. Pomerania was Polish, an independent duchy, Polish, Danish, Swedish, Prussian, German and again Polish. So, it was more Polish than "German" when looking at the full context. When someone adds an out of context statement which say that it was germany before 1945... what does that suggest, that it was such since the last [[ice age]]??? Funny, how you don't notice this imbalance in the text, yet throw around grievances. I hate to break it to you, but Germany is not the only country that lost much territory, yet you don't see such POV-ish additions in other country articles": "it was Sweden before 1809", or "it was Poland before 1945", or "it was Great Britain before 1921". --[[User:E-960|E-960]] ([[User talk:E-960|talk]]) 07:52, 25 February 2022 (UTC) |
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:::::[[User:Jonny84|Jonny84]], btw that's non-sense, you ridicule me for adding a reference to Mieszko I saying that ''"this areas belonged to Poland 1000 years ago (!)"'', then you follow that by adding a reference to germanic tribes form like 2000 years ago, who left and just went west. Really, '''just stop with the POV push''', it's clear that you only add to the Poland articles stuff (out of context) related to Germany or germans. Like for example you did not bother to mention that the area also belonged to the Kingdom of Denmark, or that Duchy of Pomerania was a Slavic duchy. Your edits are POV-ish and create undue weight, ignoring anything non-german to the point of grossly distorting history. --[[User:E-960|E-960]] ([[User talk:E-960|talk]]) 09:07, 25 February 2022 (UTC) |
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::::::First of all, I'm not "load up Poland articles with stuff (out of context) related to Germany or germans.", I'm just restoring related informations, you were deleting before.. 2) I'm contributing to articles who are related with Germany and German people in the past.. So there is nothing wrong in that.. If you disagree, then delete the name Lwów from Lviv and everything about Poland and Poles in "Ukraine articles".. I'm sure you wouldn't do that, because this don't fit with your agenda... --[[User:Jonny84|Jonny84]] ([[User talk:Jonny84|talk]]) 22:27, 25 February 2022 (UTC) |
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{{outdent}}[[User:Jonny84|Jonny84]], I reverted your edits, stop with the blatan POV push and falsehoods. For one in the 12th century it was the Holy Roman Empire, not the Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation. At that time the "empire" was still rather multi ethnic. Also, stop adding irrelevant and misleading information about the Polish-Soviet war and Polish-Ukrainian war. Your edits are disruptive and clearly bias. --[[User:E-960|E-960]] ([[User talk:E-960|talk]]) 12:38, 26 February 2022 (UTC) |
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[edit]I just thought to check and saw that you have been systematically reverting those automated deletions of former placenames by Materialscientist that I challenged at their user talk and then asked about at WikiProject Poland (discussion continues) and WikiProject Germany. I don't know how you have even identified them, Materialscientist makes so many edits, but there is clear agreement that the name removals, at least, should be undone. Thank you very much for stepping up and doing that. Yngvadottir (talk) 12:05, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
- Seconded, thank you. The names of these towns as they were known to the world for centuries, and perhaps more importantly as they were known the people who lived their lives there and whose bones are buried in that earth, are undeniably historically and genealogically relevant and deserve to be included. Inclusion of these names should not be regarded as controversial in the slightest. Your efforts in this matter have my appreciation and support. Ascended Dreamer (talk) 23:28, 22 October 2023 (UTC)
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