Talk:Ys (series)

Formatting

If possible, we should re-format the console / PC list of releases (specifically, the first group is a mess) ... a format like this:

• Ys TITLE - Platform (year, publisher), Platform (year, publisher), Platform (year, publisher), etc.
• Ys TITLE - Platform (year, publisher), Platform (year, publisher), Platform (year, publisher), etc.

... would be much easier to read, more precise, and more informative

Also, the info on Ys cellular games I added is far from perfect. Proper translations of the titles would nice... also, I don't know if the list of cellular games is complete.

Pronunciation

I'm sure I've heard the title pronounced "EE-uhz", never "yeese". Can this be sourced?--StAkAr Karnak 23:02, 12 March 2006 (UTC)

As Japanese pronuciation is /iisu/, logical anglicisation (a reverse of English to Japanese transcription) would produce /iːs/, with "s" unvoiced. It had been written so in the article but changed recently[1][2]. --Kusunose 04:26, 13 March 2006 (UTC)

-- I was under the impression that the correct pronunciation is like "peace" sans the "p". Currently, however, the entry claims that the pronunciation is "yeese" ... this is an ongoing debate that I *thought* had ended a long time ago. Surely there is an authoritative source to end this. Esteban666

• With two years of ongoing Japanese study, and playing games 1 through 6, un Japanese if need be, I can confidently say that the Japanese pronounce it "geese" (minus the g). The spelling is "iisu." The pronunciation of "i" is "ē", and "u" in "su" is silent. So, yes, it is like "peace" without the "p". This ought to end the debate. -- Masamunecyrus^(talk)_(contribs) 01:46, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

However it's pronounced, the current rendition of the pronunciation and phonetic breakdown, looks like a bunch of uninteligable html, and needs to be completely reviewed as a body of text.

When it was released in the US for the first time, on the Master System, all the gaming press said it was pronounced the same way as the word "ease".76.226.116.126 (talk) 20:20, 27 February 2009 (UTC)

That's correct, at least the sort of ease as in "ease of use" (soft S). Just about any other use of the name "Ys" in any other language is also pronounced the same (one wonders where Falcom got the name from). 174.111.82.239 (talk) 01:38, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Ys Eternal vs. Ys Complete

The screenshots say "Ys I Eternal", but the captions say "Ys I Complete". As well, what's the difference between "Ys Eternal", and "Ys Complete"? From what I see, they seem to be used interchangably.

1. The original Windows PC remakes were "Ys Eternal" and "Ys II Eternal." Later, there was a compiled rerelease, which bumped up Ys Eternal's visuals to Ys II Eternal's level (more color depth, primarily) and made the soundtrack sound more cohesive between the two. This was released as "Ys I & II Complete." Later, once this was out of print, Falcom began selling the two separately again, as "Ys I Complete" and "Ys II Complete." The English patches on which I worked are only for the Complete rereleases, and cannot be used with the original, Eternal versions. Falcom complicated the issue by changing the "Eternal" to "Complete" on all external packaging and advertisements, but not in the actual games themselves. We made a point of editing the internal bitmaps to reflect the external change for the packages. --MoriyaMug 18:08, 10 July 2006 (UTC)

Suddenly, you'll be better off getting Ys I & II Chronicles anyway. 174.111.82.239 (talk) 01:39, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Characters & Music

I feel like making a seperate page for the characters and music section. However, more details are probably needed in order for me to do that, anyone interested in helping? Eternal Sleeper 16:57, 16 May 2007 (UTC)

• I feel that the characters should appear on their game's respective pages. --Zhane Masaki (talk) 21:38, 10 October 2007 (UTC)

• Leave maintenance of the characters to me. If you create a new page, Eternal Sleeper, I'm all for it. I've been playing Ys since 1992, so I believe I can give the best profiles possible for Ys characters. --Zhane Masaki (talk) 22:23, 26 July 2008 (UTC)

Fair use rationale for Image:XisaYstype1Artwork.jpg

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Out of date?

I don't know enough about the series to contribute much, but some of the information predates December 2006, which makes it almost a year out of date. Anyone up to making the article a bit more current? Darquis 01:28, 5 November 2007 (UTC)

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External Links

I belive that *all* of the external links in this article are in breach of WP:EL. Can someone either confirm or make an argument that the links are valid. Thank you. --HighKing (talk) 15:48, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

References please

This article has been tagged as in need of references for quite some time, yet nothing as been done. Citations are important for verifiabilty. For example, when looking at this map I realized that the article contained a factual error. This is why information that cannot be cited will be removed. Shinobu (talk) 00:52, 15 September 2008 (UTC)

Windows Releases

When were the following games released?

1. Ys Eternal
2. Ys II Eternal
3. Ys I & II Complete

Mobygames has no record of them. 2fort5r (talk) 19:29, 22 September 2009 (UTC)

The Eternals were released in 1998 and around that time. The original Complete is an ever-so-slightly upgraded version of the two and was released in 2001. Eventually an individual "Complete" game for both entries was released; I dunno when, but probably around or shortly after the same time (try 2002 or 2003). 174.111.82.239 (talk) 01:43, 2 June 2010 (UTC)

Hmmph. More like Ys I Eternal was released in 1998; Ys II Eternal in 2000; then the 2001 Ys I&II Complete "update" was to make Ys I Eternal look more like how II turned out; THEN they were seperated into Ys I Complete and Ys II Complete, probably shortly after Ys I&II Complete (the seperation apparently had something to do with the original bundle completely selling out). AliceSKD (talk) 19:18, 4 June 2010 (UTC)

Questionable Accuracy?

A quote from the current page reads "Ys is second only to Final Fantasy as the largest Eastern role-playing game series." I'm pretty sure Dragon Quest vastly exceeds it, but I don't know with what context this statement was made. 68.80.48.208 (talk) 03:58, 7 August 2012 (UTC)

Which version of text is more preferable with respect to grammar and the MoS?

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Which version of text is more preferable with respect to grammar and the MoS?

Version A:

In 2002, Nicolas Livaditis, an avid Ys fan since Ys Book I & II and a Software Engineer, spearheaded an English fan translation project for the first PC remake, Ys I Complete. This led to more projects for Ys II Complete, Ys IV: The Dawn of Ys, Ys VI: The Ark of Napishtim, Ys: The Oath in Felghana and Ys Origin, though not all were completed (e.g. the Ys VI project was cancelled midway after Konami licensed it.) Completed patches can be found here for Ys I & II Complete and Ys IV: The Dawn of Ys. In 2010, further success came to this type of fan work when XSEED chose to purchase the fan-translated script for Ys: The Oath in Felghana, an act considered historical and unprecedented! They would later go on to purchase three more scripts for Ys I & II, and Ys Origin! Typically, fan translation teams have some small level of fear that they may receive a cease and desist order for right-of-translation infringement given that unlicensed translations are technically illegal... XSEED lifted that fear to some extent.

Version B:

In 2002 Nicolas Livaditis, an avid Ys fan and software engineer, spearheaded an English fan translation project for the first PC remake, Ys I Complete. This led to other projects for Ys II Complete, Ys IV: The Dawn of Ys, Ys VI: The Ark of Napishtim, Ys: The Oath in Felghana and Ys Origin, though not all were completed; the Ys VI project for example, was cancelled to respect Konami's licensing rights. Completed translation patches were made for Ys I & II Complete and Ys IV: The Dawn of Ys. In 2010, XSEED purchased the fan-translated script for Ys: The Oath in Felghana from Jeff Nussbaum, the actual translator, an act considered historical and unprecedented, as unlicensed translations are illegal. XSEED went on to purchase three more fan-translated scripts for Ys I, Ys II, and Ys Origin.

• Version B While improvements could be made to this graph, the punctuation, grammar is better.. In addition it removes the unnecessary off-wiki reference to Mr. Livaditis.  little green rosetta(talk)
  central scrutinizer  06:24, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
• Version B. Much tighter prose. It's still not perfect, but is a country mile better than the first version. - SchroCat (talk) 10:41, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

• Sorry, but I took the liberty of reverting back to version B. Ysfan, I'm not warring with you, or taking sides against you, but the previous version was sub-standard. It was poorly written, has awful punctuation and a link to a fan site. These are all big no-nos on the MOS side of things and they are painful for people to try annd read through. Please take the edit (not just be me, but others too) in the spirit in which it was meant: as a very good faith effort to try and improve the article and how it appears. - SchroCat (talk) 11:00, 8 February 2013 (UTC)

• Version B is the encyclopedic way to go, per Lgr and SC. Version A is obviously unencyclopedic, in stark contrast. Jusdafax 17:19, 8 February 2013 (UTC)
• I'm also going with Version B per the above reasonings. Lord Sjones23 (talk - contributions) 00:09, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
• Version B by far. Lots of informal language in A. Axem Titanium (talk) 05:20, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
• Not sure what the author is asking because it is clear version B is better written, neutral and adheres to basic MoS compared to A. RfCs aren't really for basic copyediting issues unless there is some issue/conflict this RfC failed to disclose. —  HELLKNOWZ  ▎TALK 10:20, 12 February 2013 (UTC)
• Why is this an RFC? --Odie5533 (talk) 15:33, 12 February 2013 (UTC)

Because one editor was edit warring to keep in place version A. Another editor was attempting to be extraordinarily nice to the person preferring A, and thus started the RfC to show that it wasn't just people trying to beat up on him (like he thought) but that it really was a better choice. I think that any uninvolved editor could probably go ahead and close this now; there's really no reason to wait the full 30 days. Qwyrxian (talk) 03:25, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

• From edit warring straight right to RFC. I'd think a simple talk page discussion would have sufficed. --Odie5533 (talk) 05:38, 13 February 2013 (UTC)

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Sources

Here's some sources for anyone whose willing: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6. --ProtoDrake (talk) 20:41, 26 April 2016 (UTC)

Requested move 8 February 2018

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: no consensus to move the page to any particular title at this time, per the discussion below. Although the nomination asked to restore a longer title, it appears that this was most recently at Ys (video game series) ten years ago, and only for one year; retaining stable title. Dekimasuよ! 02:04, 19 February 2018 (UTC)

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Ys (series) → Ys (video game series) – Please restore full title. Again outside Japan "series" doesn't have to mean video game series. In this case Ys (anime) is also a series, but an anime series not a video game series. But again that's not the point, ... unless we propose to remove "TV" from all (TV series) titles? In ictu oculi (talk) 14:47, 8 February 2018 (UTC) --Relisting. Steel1943 (talk) 15:06, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

• Procedural oppose Wrong forum. These should all be changed at once if you're going to argue they should be changed. Having a million tiny arguments is not going to help. Game is also obvious primary topic over the Ys anime so I don't think it needs to be clarified with regard to that._{ZXCVBNM (TALK)} 15:12, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

I'm not proposing changing them all, just starting with the ones which are clearly unhelpful. This title is clearly unhelpful since Ys (anime) is also a series. In ictu oculi (talk) 15:47, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose - honestly, I feel like the better approach would be to merge the anime series into the series article. The anime article is terribly written, and about 95% in-universe plot regurgitation. It's been tagged for cleanup for this since 2009. Its clearly not getting any better. I'd merge until someone decides to write an actual Wikipedia article for it. Sergecross73 msg me 16:39, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
• Support There are clearly multiple "series" within this franchise - the video game series vs the two anime series - and so the current title is ambiguous. -- Netoholic @ 16:56, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

• But this article (correctly) discusses the anime series within it, so it isn't ambiguous. If it was moved to (video game series), are you saying that it shouldn't acknowledge the existence of the anime? That would be more like a split, since there would still need to be a Ys franchise article that discussed both. SnowFire (talk) 17:49, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

• The anime is mentioned in summary-style, and it can continue to do so after the move because it is related. If you're proposing to merge Ys (series), Ys (anime), and List of Ys media all together, then you'd have a point, but simply mentioning a related property doesn't preclude this page move request as the article stands now. -- Netoholic @ 18:23, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

• I guess my point is that the current article is basically "Ys the franchise" and everything is discussed in summary style, including the video games; there are just more of them. SnowFire (talk) 19:58, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

• I would support a move to Ys (franchise) if a merge were to be done, since (series) implies one series, whereas franchise implies multiple. -- Netoholic @ 21:24, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose. This article covers more than just the video game series, so such a title would be misleading. (And it doesn't make sense to restrict this article to just the video game series, either.) SnowFire (talk) 17:49, 8 February 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose as unnecessary disambiguation as game series are the WP:PTOPIC. The anime is based on the games. The article does not appear to be "franchise" either, as it only briefly mentions the anime. And anime is not at "anime series", having a WP:NATURALDIS already. —  HELLKNOWZ   ▎TALK 12:39, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
• Move to Ys (franchise), which unambiguously includes both the game series (plural) and the anime series (plural) and the music albums. If List of Ys media can describe it at "Nihon Falcom's flagship franchise", there's no reason to shy away from the term. Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 15:55, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
• Support. Current title is ambiguous. --woodensuperman 12:27, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
• Oppose. The only other "series" is the anime, which is a part of this series and covered here. Ys (franchise) would also be fine.--Cúchullain ^t/c 14:34, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
• @In ictu oculi:, @Sergecross73:, @SnowFire: - we seem to have an alternate solution in the form of Ys (franchise) per WP:NCVG#Media franchise which both addresses the (series) ambiguity and clarifies that the article covers the anime in addition to the the video games. Does this solution address your concerns? -- Netoholic @ 15:59, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

• No, it doesn't, for the reasons stated in my comments already made. Sergecross73 msg me 16:39, 15 February 2018 (UTC)
• I would consider Ys (franchise) better than your original proposal, but don't really see the benefit compared to the simpler "series" which can be used as basically a synonym ("series in general"). That said, I'm not really "opposed" to franchise, just meh. Also, as Sergecross noted above, the anime is pretty minor, even if it is covered in this article, and franchise might call it out as more important than it really is. SnowFire (talk) 16:47, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

• I'm having a hard time reconciling the arguments against the use of "franchise" when we have List of Ys media calling Ys Nihon Falcom's flagship franchise... Ben · Salvidrim! ✉ 18:20, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

• People use the term "series" and "franchise" interchangeably all the time, and virtually all of the Ys articles I looked through in passing have been in just awful shape. So I really wouldn't read into things like that very much... Sergecross73 msg me 18:36, 15 February 2018 (UTC)

Extended discussion

Comment- If someone asked you "Have you ever come across the Ys series?", would you immediately know whether they are talking about the video games or the anime? I contend you'd have to ask for clarification, and that is exactly why this article title needs clarification. -- Netoholic @ 20:09, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Except, as I have stated above, this article is the correct spot for both. Over-specificity would be incorect because it's not just about the video game series nor just about the anime. But I guess we're going in circles. SnowFire (talk) 20:22, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

This is incorrect. It's very much so first and foremost, a video game series. The anime are simply two minor spin-outs into a different medium. No one would assume you were talking about anime. To break it down for you in the context of books/film franchises, if someone asked you if you "Hey, are you familiar with Harry Potter?", no one would assume you were talking about the video games made after the fact. Sergecross73 msg me 20:24, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Maybe, but they very likely will wonder whether you mean the films or the books. -- Netoholic @ 20:36, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Of course, but that's not the point of the analogy. Must I really think of an example of a video game that only applies to book or a film to express what I'm driving at here? Sergecross73 msg me 20:41, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

The point is, you'd have to ask for clarification, which is why (series) is still ambiguous on its own. -- Netoholic @ 21:24, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

No, that's not the point at all, because in the case of Ys, its a mere 2 option scenario, and there's no way anyone would assume "Hey, are you into the Ys series", that you'd assume they meant the anime. I guess it's too much to ask to have you imagine Harry Potter were just a book or a film? I guess the same would apply to many films with video game tie-ins though. If you asked someone if they were familiar with Toy Story series, no one would assume the video game entry each movie gets either, for example. Sergecross73 msg me 21:36, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

I would agree with you that people would be less familiar with a video game vs an animated series. All the more reason to support this move of an ambiguously-named video game series which has an animated counterpart. -- Netoholic @ 21:47, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

Then you've missed the point again. Look, all I'm saying is that, with your initial question, would people need clarification if asked if they knew of the Ys series - the answer is no, they wouldn't. I was trying to come up with an example that would make it more than just "well I say yes and you say no" type situation. But if that's not helping you, then ignore it. As someone with knowledge in the subject area, I can say no, no one would think what you're proposing. Sergecross73 msg me 21:54, 8 February 2018 (UTC)

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