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The article is not about the Scout group but about the iconic building which may in the near future be listed as a historic building. The history is not only of local interest but of wider interest. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tirotai (talk • contribs) 1 April 2010 (UTC)

Where is it?

Can you add to the article some small clue at least as to where it is located? Malcolma (talk) 08:27, 20 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Building date

Based on the following, Victory and Hawke appear to be parts of the same troop. The boatshed was erected after Nov 1928. Prior to that, both parts met at separate facilities. Victory on at least one occasion used a boatshed at Herne Bay Beach (not Cox's Creek).

Auckland Star, 29 Aug 1928: Victory Sea Scouts use a hall at Herne Bay

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19280829.2.150.6?&query=Victory+Sea

Auckland Star, 21 Nov 1928: Victory Sea Scouts have met at a boatshed, Herne Bay Beach

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19281121.2.182.7?&query=Victory

Sun (Auckland), 13 Nov 1928: Hawke Sea Scouts seek permission to erect a boatshed at Cox's Creek

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/SUNAK19281113.2.165?&query=Cox%27s+Creek

Sun (Auckland), 28 Nov 1928: Victory Sea Scouts attend meeting at Hawke Troop HQ

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/SUNAK19281128.2.66.7?&query=Victory

Auckland Star, 30 Nov 1928: Victory Sea Scouts granted permission to erect boatshed at Cox's Creek

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19281130.2.167?&query=Cox%27s+Creek

Auckland Star, 20 Feb 1929: Victory Sea Scouts first anniversary

https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19290220.2.175?&query=Victory

DMBanks1 (talk) 16:39, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @DMBanks1, from my research Victory and Hawke Sea Scouts were two different sea scout companies (later troops), as noted with the different contingents being represented at the meeting of Sea Scout Officers in December 1928: https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/SUNAK19281212.2.194.7?items_per_page=10&query=%22hawke+sea+scouts%22+victory&snippet=true&sort_by=byDA

I think there might have been an error made in 30 Nov 1928 as all other references to the boat shed at Coxs Bay are to Hawke Sea Scouts. It is possible that the two groups combined at a later date, given their closeness geographically, and that they are undertaking joint activities on Hawke Sea Scouts' land on Pine Island.

Ewhite31 (talk) 19:38, 15 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @Ewhite31 You are absolutely correct that the two groups were different. To clear up the discrepancy regarding the date of building the first boatshed on Coxs Bay, Hawke advised that the structure was initially erected without permission from the council (apparently not unusual in the NZ context at the time) and permission was granted retroactively later in the year. DMBanks1 (talk) 15:46, 19 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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 ==Where is it?==
 Can you add to the article some small clue at least as to where it is located? [[User:Malcolma|Malcolma]] ([[User talk:Malcolma|talk]]) 08:27, 20 April 2010 (UTC)
+==Building date==
+Based on the following, Victory and Hawke appear to be parts of the same troop. The boatshed was erected after Nov 1928. Prior to that, both parts met at separate facilities. Victory on at least one occasion used a boatshed at Herne Bay Beach (not Cox's Creek).
+*Auckland Star, 29 Aug 1928: Victory Sea Scouts use a hall at Herne Bay
+https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19280829.2.150.6?&query=Victory+Sea
+*Auckland Star, 21 Nov 1928: Victory Sea Scouts have met at a boatshed, Herne Bay Beach
+https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19281121.2.182.7?&query=Victory
+*Sun (Auckland), 13 Nov 1928: Hawke Sea Scouts seek permission to erect a boatshed at Cox's Creek
+https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/SUNAK19281113.2.165?&query=Cox%27s+Creek
+*Sun (Auckland), 28 Nov 1928: Victory Sea Scouts attend meeting at Hawke Troop HQ
+https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/SUNAK19281128.2.66.7?&query=Victory
+*Auckland Star, 30 Nov 1928: Victory Sea Scouts granted permission to erect boatshed at Cox's Creek
+https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19281130.2.167?&query=Cox%27s+Creek
+*Auckland Star, 20 Feb 1929: Victory Sea Scouts first anniversary
+https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/AS19290220.2.175?&query=Victory
+[[User:DMBanks1|DMBanks1]] ([[User talk:DMBanks1|talk]]) 16:39, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
+::Hi @[[User:DMBanks1|DMBanks1]], from my research Victory and Hawke Sea Scouts were two different sea scout companies (later troops), as noted with the different contingents being represented at the meeting of Sea Scout Officers in December 1928: https://paperspast.natlib.govt.nz/newspapers/SUNAK19281212.2.194.7?items_per_page=10&query=%22hawke+sea+scouts%22+victory&snippet=true&sort_by=byDA
+:I think there might have been an error made in 30 Nov 1928 as all other references to the boat shed at Coxs Bay are to Hawke Sea Scouts. It is possible that the two groups combined at a later date, given their closeness geographically, and that they are undertaking joint activities on Hawke Sea Scouts' land on Pine Island.
+:[[User:Ewhite31|Ewhite31]] ([[User talk:Ewhite31|talk]]) 19:38, 15 June 2023 (UTC)
+::Hi @[[User:Ewhite31|Ewhite31]] You are absolutely correct that the two groups were different. To clear up the discrepancy regarding the date of building the first boatshed on Coxs Bay, Hawke advised that the structure was initially erected without permission from the council (apparently not unusual in the NZ context at the time) and permission was granted retroactively later in the year. [[User:DMBanks1|DMBanks1]] ([[User talk:DMBanks1|talk]]) 15:46, 19 June 2023 (UTC)