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Bounce polling is NOT a research technique, it's a smear tactic. For example, when Bush did it against McCain, he called up 10,000 homes in South Carolina, and asked: "If you found out that John McCain fostered 3 black children out of wedlock with his mistress, would you vote for him?"
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The Ed Rollings quote where Rollins quotes Mary Matalin is hearsay. This would never pass muster in a court of law, and hearsay shouldn't have any place on Wikipedia; it serves to call into question Wikipedia's veracity and supposed non-biased stance. [[Special:Contributions/2601:987:200:5130:C554:58AF:74B4:620F|2601:987:200:5130:C554:58AF:74B4:620F]] ([[User talk:2601:987:200:5130:C554:58AF:74B4:620F|talk]]) 22:55, 26 February 2023 (UTC)


:Wikipedia is not a court of law, nor do we follow the standards of a court of law. The quote is [[WP:RS|reliably sourced]], so there's no doubts to the veracity of Wikipedia here. Nor are we biased in presenting a reliably sourced statement. If you want to argue that it does not belong on this page, you're going to need a better argument. – [[User:Muboshgu|Muboshgu]] ([[User talk:Muboshgu#top|talk]]) 23:01, 26 February 2023 (UTC)
It's not true, but the idea is make people think that John McCain has fostered 3 children out of wedlock. The polsters don't care about the answers (hence, it's not a research technique). The only purpose of it is to make people think bad things about the other guy, and that's a smear tactic.
::The recording of the conversation was published in The Nation and also placed on Youtube, so you can hear it yourself. https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_8E3ENrKrQ&t=52s It's also been repeated in many other WP:RS, such as the New York Times. --[[User:Nbauman|Nbauman]] ([[User talk:Nbauman|talk]]) 19:57, 12 August 2023 (UTC)

--[[User:Raul654|Raul654]] 16:20, 20 Oct 2003 (UTC)

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The linking of Atwater doing or inventing bounce polling comes from ''[[Lies and the Lying Liars Who Tell Them]]'', a book by [[liberal]] American humorist [[Al Franken]]. Franken does not cite any source. Jimmy Breslin, in an August 3, 1989 column in [[Newsday]], states that Atwater denied it. I am removing the reference until another source is cited. (Breslin's POV is almost a lock on Franken's, so it's not a case of clashing POVs.) [[User:Ellsworth|Ellsworth]] 23:01, 18 Aug 2004 (UTC)

== Atwater/Rove/Bush connection ==

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:During that election, Atwater was assigned a "minder" by the Bush campaign, [[George W. Bush]]. The younger Bush's political strategist, [[Karl Rove]], would later employ Atwater's [[dirty tricks]] tactics against [[John McCain]] in the [[2000]] Republican primary.

This has been disputed, please cite sources if it is to be in the article. [[User:Ellsworth|Ellsworth]] 20:37, 16 July 2005 (UTC)

:I've restored some of this material, with clarifications. It's well known that Atwater was a political mentor and personal friend of Karl Rove, but their relationship actually predates the 1988 presidential campaign by more than 15 years. According to ''Time'' magazine (December 20, 1999), Atwater "ran Rove's successful campaign to become president of the College Republicans in 1973." ''Boy Genius,'' the biography of Rove by Lou Dubose, Jan Reid and Carl M. Cannon, also offers details about their friendship and notes allegations of Rove's involvement in dirty tricks dating back to the 1970s. (See, for example, pages 10-12.) The fact that George W. Bush had an office across the hall from Lee Atwater so that he could serve as a "minder" during the 1988 presidential campaign has also been reported in a number of places, including the ''Austin American-Statesman'' (February 21, 1999).

:I've left out the specific reference to dirty tricks against McCain in 2000. Atwater was long dead by then, and although he was a mentor of Karl Rove during his lifetime, it doesn't seem accurate to suggest that Atwater was the mastermind of every dirty trick with which Rove or others have been associated. He's only responsible for the activities that he himself planned and undertook. --[[User:Sheldon Rampton|Sheldon Rampton]] 07:52, 17 July 2005 (UTC)

::That looks good. [[User:Ellsworth|Ellsworth]] 23:45, 18 July 2005 (UTC)

Latest revision as of 06:55, 26 January 2024

The Ed Rollings quote where Rollins quotes Mary Matalin is hearsay. This would never pass muster in a court of law, and hearsay shouldn't have any place on Wikipedia; it serves to call into question Wikipedia's veracity and supposed non-biased stance. 2601:987:200:5130:C554:58AF:74B4:620F (talk) 22:55, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is not a court of law, nor do we follow the standards of a court of law. The quote is reliably sourced, so there's no doubts to the veracity of Wikipedia here. Nor are we biased in presenting a reliably sourced statement. If you want to argue that it does not belong on this page, you're going to need a better argument. – Muboshgu (talk) 23:01, 26 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
The recording of the conversation was published in The Nation and also placed on Youtube, so you can hear it yourself. https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/exclusive-lee-atwaters-infamous-1981-interview-southern-strategy/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_8E3ENrKrQ&t=52s It's also been repeated in many other WP:RS, such as the New York Times. --Nbauman (talk) 19:57, 12 August 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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