Talk:Sent, Switzerland

Requested move 21 September 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Moved. Sent (disambiguation) will also be moved to the base name.(closed by non-admin page mover) estar8806 (talk) ★ 16:08, 1 October 2023 (UTC)

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Sent → Sent, Switzerland – No primary topic for this common word. There's basically already a disambiguation page in hatnotes here. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 17:22, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

• Question What are you proposing the target for "Sent" be? Rreagan007 (talk) 18:58, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

  @Rreagan007: Sorry to be unclear. Sent to be disambiguation page. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 21:56, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

The only other article I see with the same title is Sent (novel). A DAB page for only 2 articles seems a little unnecessary when you can just have a hatnote at the top of each article pointing to the other. Rreagan007 (talk) 22:15, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

@Rreagan007: Also everything else currently in hatnotes: SENT (protocol), misspelling of Scent, wiktionary sent, plus Sent M'Ahesa. Hameltion (talk | contribs) 22:19, 21 September 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose WP:NOTDICTIONARY. Wikipedia is not a dictionary and does not need to set aside space for dictionary definitions. There is no other major alternate primary topic. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:50, 22 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support – Disambiguation works better for such terms. I'd do the same for Nice. Dicklyon (talk) 00:32, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nom. There is also Dutch economist Esther-Mirjam Sent, by the way. BD2412 T 02:19, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
  • Note: I have gathered the hits together at Sent (disambiguation), which can be swapped for this title. There are enough possibilities to convince me rather solidly on this one. BD2412 T 02:30, 23 September 2023 (UTC)
    • Yes, Support moving Sent (disambiguation) to Sent as well. Dicklyon (talk) 02:47, 23 September 2023 (UTC)

    Again, none of these are possible primary topics. SENT falls under WP:DIFFCAPS. Sent (novel) is not notable. Esther-Mirjam Sent is not notable enough to be known on a last name basis, and would fall under WP:PTM. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:39, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

    • @Zxcvbnm: Esther-Mirjam Sent appears to have a substantial publication history; I don't think it is at all clear that she is less notable by that name than a former place in Switzerland. In any case, all of these are frankly drowned out by the common use of the word as the past tense of "send". WP:DICT doesn't require that we turn a blind eye to the overwhelmingly most common meaning of a word. Compare Went, Wrote. BD2412 T 04:52, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

      Wrote has a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT target; "sent" does not. For "went", primary appears to be the set index list of surnames, but there is only one person with the "sent" surname, so no list is merited. Therefore, this is not the same situation. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 04:58, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

      I have started Draft:Sending to capture this topic. Cheers! BD2412 T 15:42, 26 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom (and move the DAB page per above). 217.180.228.138 (talk) 03:18, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose Unlike the other examples (went, wrote) there is no article for the word. Other topics are less significant, partial titles or use different capitalisation. And it's still a place, just not a municipality. Peter James (talk) 17:44, 24 September 2023 (UTC)
  • @Peter James: That is actually a concern. Send is a disambiguation page and Sending redirects to an obscure album, but the concept of "sending" (whether it be a person, a message, or an item) is deeply inculcated in human culture, and we may be missing a broad-concept article covering this concept. BD2412 T 19:20, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

    Maybe, but until then the naming should probably stay as-is. If a viable WP:BROADCONCEPT page can be made I definitely support a primary redirect there. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 20:16, 24 September 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom and Dicklyon, and create a disambiguation page -- 67.70.25.175 (talk) 05:11, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support though SENT (protocol) may not have as much long-term significance it has 1,548 views compared with only 194[[1]] for the place and DIFFCAPS may not be too helpful if the protocol is sometimes "Sent". Crouch, Swale (talk) 20:36, 25 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nom. In ictu oculi (talk) 07:42, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support per nom. -- Necrothesp (talk) 13:17, 26 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support only on the condition that an article on sending be written that sent will be able to redirect to. Red Slash 22:41, 28 September 2023 (UTC)
  • @Red Slash: A draft is underway, but help is always appreciated in putting it together. BD2412 T 00:51, 29 September 2023 (UTC)
• Support deferred move. Keep as-is for now, but move once the broad-concept article above is moved to mainspace. We've deferred moves before, at least with Talk:Fugging, Lower Austria#Requested move 27 November 2020. -BRAINULATOR9 (TALK) 22:53, 29 September 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.