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Notability

This topic is very niche and has problems with notability. I removed a spam reference and added a reliable, scholarly, in-depth one, but the problem is - I could only find that one ref. Everything else is in passing (trivial mentions). And GNG requires 2+ sources to establish the notability of a concept. Ping creator, User:Maury Markowitz. Can you find any other references? And let's avoid spam this time, please. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:58, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not sure what is spammy about this article, unless you are using some other definition of spammy that does not include advertizing-like features, but in any event, would this all be solved by simply renaming it "list of" and including examples? Maury Markowitz (talk) 16:41, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Maury Markowitz, By spammy I meant that this reference should not have been added as it is to a commercial store page selling something ('add to cart for $40'). As for adding more examples, it seems fine - I don't think we need to convert the entire article to a list but expansion won't hurt. Still, more reliable sources would be very helpful. _{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 01:46, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Accuracy

The article description of a "bookcase" game is inaccurate in saying that they open "in a book-like fashion". I'm not saying that there may not have been games published that took that approach to box construction, but that's not what the term usually means/meant (and definitely not the case for the AH games in their "Bookcase Game" range that originated the term). I have a couple of dozen old AH, SPI, TSR and GW games in my collection (plus I've been in this hobby since the 70s, and played and owned many others in the earlier years), and without exception all of the ones that have crossed my path consist/consisted of a box with a separate lid (just like just about every other game on the market, then or now). The differences with other game boxes around at the time (and nowadays) are (a) the dimensions - most are h29 x w21 x d5 cm, or there abouts - and (b) the artwork, which is often clearly intended to be viewed with the box standing on end, and stored narrow-side outwards with one long side acting as a "spine". Game title is usually, but not always, aligned across the "spine"; publisher's name is always so oriented. (Dimensions taken from a copy of Avalon Hill's "Squad Leader" - which prominently displays on its "spine" the words "Bookcase Game".) Fredd169 (talk) 15:49, 5 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

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 ::{{u|Maury Markowitz}}, By spammy I meant that [https://www.artofplay.com/products/bookshelf-board-game-collection this reference] should not have been added as it is to a commercial store page selling something ('add to cart for $40'). As for adding more examples, it seems fine - I don't think we need to convert the entire article to a list but expansion won't hurt. Still, more reliable sources would be very helpful. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]&#124;[[User talk:Piotrus|<span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span>]]</sub> 01:46, 9 February 2021 (UTC)
+== Accuracy ==
-The article description of a "bookcase" game is inaccurate in saying that they open "in a book-like fashion". I'm not saying that there may not have been games published that took that approach to box construction, but that's not what the term usually means/meant (and definitely not the case for the AH games in their "Bookcase Game" range that originated the term). I have couple of dozen old AH, SPI, TSR and GW games in my collection (plus I've been in this hobby since the 70s, and played and owned many others in the earlier years), and without exception all of the ones that have crossed my path consist/consisted of a box with a separate lid just like just about every other game on the market (then and now). The differences with other games around at the time (and nowadays) are (a) the dimensions - most are h29 x w21 x d5 cm, or there abouts - and (b) the artwork, which is often clearly intended to be viewed with the box standing on end, and stored narrow-side outwards with one long side acting as a "spine". Game title is usually, but not always, aligned across the "spine"; publisher's name is always so oriented. (Dimensions taken from a copy of Avalon Hill's "Squad Leader" - which prominently displays on its "spine" the words "Bookcase Game".)[[User:Fredd169|Fredd169]] ([[User talk:Fredd169|talk]]) 15:49, 5 October 2021 (UTC)
+The article description of a "bookcase" game is inaccurate in saying that they open "in a book-like fashion". I'm not saying that there may not have been games published that took that approach to box construction, but that's not what the term usually means/meant (and definitely not the case for the AH games in their "Bookcase Game" range that originated the term). I have a couple of dozen old AH, SPI, TSR and GW games in my collection (plus I've been in this hobby since the 70s, and played and owned many others in the earlier years), and without exception all of the ones that have crossed my path consist/consisted of a box with a separate lid (just like just about every other game on the market, then or now). The differences with other game boxes around at the time (and nowadays) are (a) the dimensions - most are h29 x w21 x d5 cm, or there abouts - and (b) the artwork, which is often clearly intended to be viewed with the box standing on end, and stored narrow-side outwards with one long side acting as a "spine". Game title is usually, but not always, aligned across the "spine"; publisher's name is always so oriented. (Dimensions taken from a copy of Avalon Hill's "Squad Leader" - which prominently displays on its "spine" the words "Bookcase Game".) [[User:Fredd169|Fredd169]] ([[User talk:Fredd169|talk]]) 15:49, 5 October 2021 (UTC)