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Is the Battle of Woeringen listed here same as the Battle of Worringen listed on List of battles (alphabetical)? Ktsquare

The article says he was Duke of Lorraine, but he seems to be missing in the list Duke of Lorraine. Any hint? olivier 14:33, May 18, 2004 (UTC)

See the second paragraph of Duke of Lorraine: only the dukes of Upper Lorraine are listed there. It might be better here to say that John was Duke of Lower Lorraine. Eugene van der Pijll 06:30, 19 May 2004 (UTC)[reply]

Why no mention of his reputed connection with brewing? The illustration even shows him with a glass of beer. See [Gambrinus]. don't have a handle 22:06, 8 July 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.5.251.86 (talk) [reply]

Birth/death places/dates

According to the various language Wikipedias, he was:

Born In	Year	Died In	Year	Wiki
Leuven	1252/1253	Bar-le-Duc	3 May 1294	English
Brussels	1253	Leuven	3 May 1294	French
Leuven	1254	Bar-le-Duc	3 May 1294	Dutch
.	1252 or 1253	.	3 May 1294	German
Brussels	1254	Antwerp	3 May 1294	Esperanto
Brussels	1253	Leuven	3 May 1294	Portuguese
Brussels	1253	Antwerp	3 May 1294	Russian
Leuven	1252/1253	Leuven	3 May 1294	Swedish
.	1253	.	1294	Japanese

More than enough discrepancies - two birthplaces, three death places, three versions of birth date. Only consistency is in death date. Has anyone a RELIABLE source for any of this? One almost certain inaccuracy in this English version is that he was wounded in an "encounter" at a marriage ceremony. It seems to have been a tournament at a marriage ceremony, and took place the previous year, on 12 Sept 1293. This happened at Bar-le-Duc, but it's unlikely he hung around there for 9 months waiting to die! Emeraude (talk) 15:38, 31 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Kingdom of France?

The article was marked as a Kingdom of France-related stub, but Brabant was never in France, but in the Holy Roman Empire. Could it be reclassified? Tom (talk) 09:43, 5 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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 : See the second paragraph of [[Duke of Lorraine]]: only the dukes of Upper Lorraine are listed there. It might be better here to say that John was Duke of ''Lower'' Lorraine. [[User:Eugene van der Pijll|Eugene van der Pijll]] 06:30, 19 May 2004 (UTC)
-== Birth/death places/dates ==
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+Why no mention of his reputed connection with brewing? The illustration even shows him with a glass of beer. See [Gambrinus]. [[User:don't have a handle|don't have a handle]] 22:06, 8 July 2012 (UTC)  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/99.5.251.86|99.5.251.86]] ([[User talk:99.5.251.86|talk]]) </span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+== Birth/death places/dates ==
 According to the various language Wikipedias, he was:
+::{|border="1" cellpadding="2"
-*born: Leuven, 1252/1253; died:  Bar-le-Duc, 3 May 1294 (English)
+! scope="col" width="100" | Born In
-*born: Brussels, 1253; died: Leuven, 3 May 1294 (French)
+! scope="col" width="100" | Year
-*born: Leuven, 1254; died: Bar-le-Duc, 3 May 1294 (Dutch)
+! scope="col" width="100" | Died In
-*born: 1252 or 1253; died: 3 May 1294 (German)
+! scope="col" width="100" | Year
-*born: Brussels, 1254; died: Antwerp,3 May 1294 (Esperanto)
+! scope="col" width="100" | Wiki
-*born: Brussels, 1253; died: Leuven, 3 May 1294 (Portuguese)
+|-
-*born: Brussels, 1253; died: Antwerp, 3 May 1294 (Russian)
-*born: Leuven, 1252/1253; died: Leuven, 3 May 1294 (Swedish)
+| Leuven || 1252/1253 || Bar-le-Duc || 3 May 1294 || English
+|-
-*born: 1253; died: 1294 (Japanese)
+| Brussels || 1253 || Leuven || 3 May 1294 || French
+|-
+| Leuven || 1254 || Bar-le-Duc || 3 May 1294 || Dutch
+|-
+| . || 1252 or 1253 || .|| 3 May 1294 || German
+|-
+| Brussels || 1254 || Antwerp || 3 May 1294 || Esperanto
+|-
+| Brussels || 1253 || Leuven || 3 May 1294 || Portuguese
+|-
+| Brussels || 1253 || Antwerp || 3 May 1294 || Russian
+|-
+| Leuven || 1252/1253 || Leuven || 3 May 1294 || Swedish
+|-
+| . || 1253 ||. || 1294 ||Japanese
+|}
+More than enough discrepancies - two birthplaces, three death places, three versions of birth date. Only consistency is in death date. Has anyone a RELIABLE source for any of this? One almost certain inaccuracy in this English version is that he was wounded in an "encounter" at a marriage ceremony. It seems to have been a tournament at a marriage ceremony, and took place the previous year, on 12 Sept 1293. This happened at Bar-le-Duc, but it's unlikely he hung around there for 9 months waiting to die! [[User:Emeraude|Emeraude]] ([[User talk:Emeraude|talk]]) 15:38, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
+== Kingdom of France? ==
-More than enough discrepancies - two birthplaces, three death places, three versions of birth date. Only consistency is in death date. Has anyone a RELIABLE source for any of this? [[User:Emeraude|Emeraude]] ([[User talk:Emeraude|talk]]) 14:56, 31 January 2011 (UTC)
+The article was marked as a Kingdom of France-related stub, but Brabant was never in France, but in the Holy Roman Empire. Could it be reclassified? [[User:Thomas Antonius|Tom]] ([[User talk:Thomas Antonius|talk]]) 09:43, 5 June 2013 (UTC)