Talk:Brace position

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Cold Facts

The Brace Position is designed to kill you, the mythbusters were paid to show falsified results, just as with the cell phone/laptop debate, they always are given a set of pre-planned results for the industry a certain result would damage, if not destroy, in this case airlines. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.112.199.78 (talk) 21:18, 1 October 2007 (UTC)

Also, the moon landing was a hoax, the US government faked the 9/11 attacks, George Bush is really a lizard in disguise, aaaaaand there is no spoon. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.109.77.74 (talk) 18:30, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Countries like the UK have a national health service so there is no health insurance companies to profit from their deaths. In fact the life insurance payouts from the passengers deaths would likely be far greater than future medical expenses, so it wouldn't make any sense even in countries like the USA to kill the passengers... Comrinec (talk) 05:37, 29 June 2008 (UTC)

• I disagree with the very first 'cold fact' but agree with Comrinec's one. Kiko4564 (talk) 13:59, 9 May 2010 (UTC)

I would think that the government's being able to save money would make it more, not less likely that the government would falsify data than if private industry were on the hook. Still, this is flat-earth silly either way. 69.120.96.162 (talk) 14:05, 27 June 2013 (UTC)

"One passenger awoke and adopted the procedure, and he was the only survivor" Between waking and bracing, he managed to look around to see if anyone else was awake? Must have been a very small flight. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.97.161.160 (talk) 15:08, 21 January 2011 (UTC)

Image Request

This article would greatly benefit from an actual image of the brace position to complement the text. 124.105.239.165 (talk) 01:32, 12 February 2009 (UTC)

I've crawled the net for about 10 minutes but couldn't find a suitable (free lic.'d) image, Maybe if the net is not serving such a pic, a sitter could easily demonstrate that and someone captures it (preferrably in an aircraft seat), note that there are several positions ... See Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Aviation#Brace_position_image.28s.29. --Scriberius (talk) 19:08, 10 June 2009 (UTC)

Why is there a blue object in front of the subject of the photograph's head? --71.111.194.50 (talk) 19:08, 2 December 2009 (UTC)

I second this suggestion. However, I know from own experience that if you go to the trouble of upload an non-copyrighted picture, they are pressured to remove it and/or replace it with their own, so there is nothing I can do but wait for a mod to get around to doing it. Jasontaylor7 (talk) 16:17, 7 December 2016 (UTC)

--Error (talk) 13:25, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Having the passenger lean over to some degree to avoid jackknifing or submarining.

What is submarining? Vgy7ujm (talk) 04:40, 11 September 2009 (UTC)

What is jackknifing for that matter? I know what it means when a tractor-trailer jackknifes, but I don't see how this can be applied to the brace position.--Subversive Sound (talk) 15:02, 15 August 2011 (UTC)

How serious is this article?

If people were on an airliner that is about to ditch or crash, and the flight attendants and pilot told passengers to assume the "brace position," let's assume that there was about 2 minutes of flight time left. My question is this. Suppose a person heard this command and immediately typed a search into their mobile device or laptop, and the first link they found was to this article. Do you suppose it would be nice for there to be a concise, simplified, and accurate depiction of the brace position here, or should this article be comprehensive, rambling, and contradictory like it is right now? I like to saw logs! (talk) 06:19, 4 April 2013 (UTC)

I hardly think that this would be our concern. This is up to airlines and governments to make aware to passengers, and most developed countries make safety cards and demonstrations required on each flight. In addition, if we were to try to take responsibility for peoples' lives, that means we're responsible if we steer them wrong. I could certainly see "I was injured because Wikipedia told me to do an unsafe brace position." Finally, if such a passenger were unsure how to assume the brace position, one could assume that he'd look at his fellow passengers to see how to do it (or, provided enough time, find the safety card). I truly doubt one would have the time or presence of mind to "ask the internet" in a life-or-death situation like this. Ronjoe223 (talk) 21:15, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Dear Mr. Ron or Mr. Joe:

You have completely missed the point.

You do not seem to be able to see the forest for the trees. The point is that the article stinks. The hypothetical situation was supposed to get you to concern yourself with the article, not with dying passengers surfing surfing the web. I think you also failed to fully comprehend the dire situation. There are many scenarios in which a person might not be able to fully grasp the English words "brace position," none of which apparently crossed your mind. Have you ever been in a large public gathering in which an announcement is made over a loudspeaker and a person turns and asks someone nearby the meaning of a word or phrase? In this case perhaps you or I would immediately form a picture in our minds that represents the "brace position," while someone else's mind draws a complete blank.

When you read a Wikipedia article, pretend (or maybe this comes natural) that your mind is blank when the article is spewed out, word by word, letter by letter, and that your knowledge of the subject is 100% dependent on what you read. If you can't do this, you will have difficulty writing articles or editing them, because you will assume too much.

Oh, and before I forget, here is an important thing about the proper position. In this video they call it the "Crash position," but it is otherwise correct. Try youtu.be/a5QBuJla5do?t=48s In that video you can see why it is important to interpret the commands of the flight attendant properly. I like to saw logs! (talk) 07:33, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Why remove shoes?

I have seen several documetaries dealing with historical crashes where brace position instruction enactments by 'flight attendants' included the request that passengers remove their shoes. I think that was actually at one time or another part of the concept. Does anybody know what that was supposed to accomplish?--Cancun771 (talk) 18:20, 22 June 2014 (UTC)

As I understand it, passengers are asked to remove their shoes before an emergency evacuation as shoes - especially ones with high heels - can damage the evacuation slides. Never heard of shoe removal being part of the “brace for emergency landing” procedure though. Mr Larrington (talk) 19:23, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Photo very misleading

A demonstration of the brace position in a passenger seat; the blue pillow is optional.

I am removing the photo because, if you read the text, you will see that the position this young woman is in does NOT correspond to any of the versions of the brace position described in the text. And therefore it is not only misleading but potentially damaging to people who might try to learn from this. Invertzoo (talk) 03:09, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

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Successful use example

The sole survivor example under "Successful use" probably refers to Downeast Flight 46? --Vedurk (talk) 09:41, 25 July 2017 (UTC)

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• Greek: στάση στήριξης — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A02:2149:8235:7E00:A45C:93DB:A9E7:9A8B (talk) 01:13, 18 January 2018 (UTC)