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Wikipedia is well known to be the greatest spoiler site of all time. Here, it exposes the secret of one of the most precious and time-honored card tricks in the repertoire. Then, as one scans other classic tricks and illusions, we find that the secret of nearly every one of them is exposed. Your policy on posting magic secrets is completely backward. You state "Many magic secrets are closely guarded" yet, you go on to say "In accordance with Wikipedia guidelines, only those with reliable and cited sources can be included in Wikipedia articles. If a secret cannot be verified through independent sources, it will be removed from the main article." What??? These are TRADE secrets. Don't you realize that? Of course you do, so please change this policy and do so across the board. You've stepped into it here. There's a ton of editing to do now. I'll edit every trick I see. [[Special:Contributions/50.54.233.151|50.54.233.151]] ([[User talk:50.54.233.151|talk]]) 07:17, 17 August 2015 (UTC) |
Wikipedia is well known to be the greatest spoiler site of all time. Here, it exposes the secret of one of the most precious and time-honored card tricks in the repertoire. Then, as one scans other classic tricks and illusions, we find that the secret of nearly every one of them is exposed. Your policy on posting magic secrets is completely backward. You state "Many magic secrets are closely guarded" yet, you go on to say "In accordance with Wikipedia guidelines, only those with reliable and cited sources can be included in Wikipedia articles. If a secret cannot be verified through independent sources, it will be removed from the main article." What??? These are TRADE secrets. Don't you realize that? Of course you do, so please change this policy and do so across the board. You've stepped into it here. There's a ton of editing to do now. I'll edit every trick I see. [[Special:Contributions/50.54.233.151|50.54.233.151]] ([[User talk:50.54.233.151|talk]]) 07:17, 17 August 2015 (UTC) |
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:Trade secrets are down to the trade concerned to protect and ''keep'' secret. Once you've let it get out into the public domain it's tough luck, Wikipedia is entitled to publish it. Nay, we have a duty to publish under our mission "to collect and develop educational content". [[User:Spinningspark|<b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b>]][[User talk:Spinningspark|<b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b>]] 07:59, 23 October 2018 (UTC) |
:Trade secrets are down to the trade concerned to protect and ''keep'' secret. Once you've let it get out into the public domain it's tough luck, it's not a secret any more and Wikipedia is entitled to publish it. Nay, we have a duty to publish under our mission "to collect and develop educational content". [[User:Spinningspark|<b style="background:#FAFAD2;color:#C08000">Spinning</b>]][[User talk:Spinningspark|<b style="color:#4840A0">Spark</b>]] 07:59, 23 October 2018 (UTC) |
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:You're giving away trade secrets. That is really all that need be said. [[Special:Contributions/50.54.233.151|50.54.233.151]] ([[User talk:50.54.233.151|talk]]) 07:26, 17 August 2015 (UTC) |
:You're giving away trade secrets. That is really all that need be said. [[Special:Contributions/50.54.233.151|50.54.233.151]] ([[User talk:50.54.233.151|talk]]) 07:26, 17 August 2015 (UTC) |
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Posting secrets? Bad policy
[edit]Wikipedia is well known to be the greatest spoiler site of all time. Here, it exposes the secret of one of the most precious and time-honored card tricks in the repertoire. Then, as one scans other classic tricks and illusions, we find that the secret of nearly every one of them is exposed. Your policy on posting magic secrets is completely backward. You state "Many magic secrets are closely guarded" yet, you go on to say "In accordance with Wikipedia guidelines, only those with reliable and cited sources can be included in Wikipedia articles. If a secret cannot be verified through independent sources, it will be removed from the main article." What??? These are TRADE secrets. Don't you realize that? Of course you do, so please change this policy and do so across the board. You've stepped into it here. There's a ton of editing to do now. I'll edit every trick I see. 50.54.233.151 (talk) 07:17, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
- Trade secrets are down to the trade concerned to protect and keep secret. Once you've let it get out into the public domain it's tough luck, it's not a secret any more and Wikipedia is entitled to publish it. Nay, we have a duty to publish under our mission "to collect and develop educational content". SpinningSpark 07:59, 23 October 2018 (UTC)
Method
[edit]The deck in use is either stacked or partially stacked prior to performance, or manipulated in the course of performance to form a partial or full stack, in which there is a separation between the red and black cards, with a run of each colour comprising either half the deck or a substantial portion of the stack near the top.
In the first round of dealing face-down cards, all of the cards dealt will be of one colour. The switching of sides occurs at the halfway point through the deck because that is the point at which the first colour cards will be exhausted and the second colour of cards will begin to be dealt.
To understand why this enables the trick to work, think about what will be in the two lines of cards at the end of the trick. The left-hand line will begin with (for example) a black marker card (placed at the start), followed by the face-down black cards from the top of the deck, then the red marker card (placed at the side switch), then the face-down red cards from the bottom of the deck. That's (black marker) (black cards) (red marker) (red cards). In other words, this line is exactly right, and is given to the subject to gather up.
The right-hand line will begin with the red marker card (placed at the start), followed by the face-down black cards from the top of the deck, then the black marker card (placed at the side switch), then the face-down red cards from the bottom of the deck. That's (red marker) (black cards) (black marker) (red cards). Although incorrect, this can be instantly made to appear correct by moving the red marker card from one end of the line to the other, or by reversing the order of all other cards in the line. This must be performed by the magician during the act of gathering up the right-hand line of cards, while the subject is distracted by gathering up their own line. [1]==Method== The deck in use is either stacked or partially stacked prior to performance, or manipulated in the course of performance to form a partial or full stack, in which there is a separation between the red and black cards, with a run of each colour comprising either half the deck or a substantial portion of the stack near the top.
In the first round of dealing face-down cards, all of the cards dealt will be of one colour. The switching of sides occurs at the halfway point through the deck because that is the point at which the first colour cards will be exhausted and the second colour of cards will begin to be dealt.
To understand why this enables the trick to work, think about what will be in the two lines of cards at the end of the trick. The left-hand line will begin with (for example) a black marker card (placed at the start), followed by the face-down black cards from the top of the deck, then the red marker card (placed at the side switch), then the face-down red cards from the bottom of the deck. That's (black marker) (black cards) (red marker) (red cards). In other words, this line is exactly right, and is given to the subject to gather up.
The right-hand line will begin with the red marker card (placed at the start), followed by the face-down black cards from the top of the deck, then the black marker card (placed at the side switch), then the face-down red cards from the bottom of the deck. That's (red marker) (black cards) (black marker) (red cards). Although incorrect, this can be instantly made to appear correct by moving the red marker card from one end of the line to the other, or by reversing the order of all other cards in the line. This must be performed by the magician during the act of gathering up the right-hand line of cards, while the subject is distracted by gathering up their own line. [1]
- You're giving away trade secrets. That is really all that need be said. 50.54.233.151 (talk) 07:26, 17 August 2015 (UTC)
References
- ^ a b Longe, Bob (1992). World's Best Card Tricks. Sterling Publishing Company Inc. p. 88. ISBN 0-8069-8233-0.