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Someone updated the legion of the historical Pullo to being that of the 11th Legion - not the 13th - does anyone know where it says this in [[De Bello Gallico]]? - [[User:Beowulf314159|Beowulf314159]] 03:37, 21 December 2005 (UTC) |
Someone updated the legion of the historical Pullo to being that of the 11th Legion - not the 13th - does anyone know where it says this in [[De Bello Gallico]]? - [[User:Beowulf314159|Beowulf314159]] 03:37, 21 December 2005 (UTC) |
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:: Here is the whole chapter 44. from the book as can be downloaded in .txt format from www.gutenberg.org |
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''XLIV.--In that legion there were two very brave men, centurions, who |
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were now approaching the first ranks, T. Pulfio, and L. Varenus. These |
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used to have continual disputes between them which of them should be |
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preferred, and every year used to contend for promotion with the utmost |
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animosity. When the fight was going on most vigorously before the |
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fortifications, Pulfio, one of them, says, "Why do you hesitate, |
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Varenus? or what [better] opportunity of signalising your valour do you |
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seek? This very day shall decide our disputes." When he had uttered |
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these words, he proceeds beyond the fortifications, and rushes on that |
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part of the enemy which appeared the thickest. Nor does Varenus remain |
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within the rampart, but respecting the high opinion of all, follows |
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close after. Then, when an inconsiderable space intervened, Pulfio |
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throws his javelin at the enemy, and pierces one of the multitude who |
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was running up, and while the latter was wounded and slain, the enemy |
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cover him with their shields, and all throw their weapons at the other |
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and afford him no opportunity of retreating. The shield of Pulfio is |
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pierced and a javelin is fastened in his belt. This circumstance turns |
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aside his scabbard and obstructs his right hand when attempting to draw |
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his sword: the enemy crowd around him when [thus] embarrassed. His rival |
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runs up to him and succours him in this emergency. Immediately the whole |
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host turn from Pulfio to him, supposing the other to be pierced through |
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by the javelin. Varenus rushes on briskly with his sword and carries on |
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the combat hand to hand, and having slain one man, for a short time |
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drove back the rest: while he urges on too eagerly, slipping into a |
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hollow, he fell. To him, in his turn, when surrounded, Pulfio brings |
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relief; and both having slain a great number, retreat into the |
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fortifications amidst the highest applause. Fortune so dealt with both |
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in this rivalry and conflict, that the one competitor was a succour and |
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a safeguard to the other, nor could it be determined which of the two |
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appeared worthy of being preferred to the other.'' |
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wrong the names are titus cicero and lucvorenus <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/84.25.179.246|84.25.179.246]] ([[User talk:84.25.179.246|talk]]) 12:33, 9 March 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Fathering Caesarion == |
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The HBO Rome series depicts Cleopatra having sex with Titus. But nowhere it is apparent if he is the father of Cleopatra's son Caesarion. What is the source of this statement of fact? |
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[[Special:Contributions/202.138.120.65|202.138.120.65]] ([[User talk:202.138.120.65|talk]]) 08:35, 20 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:Have you seen the series? It is confirmed several times in multiple episodes that Pullo is the father of Caeserion. And by the way, I edited the profanity from your post. Not that you care, I suspect, since you're just an ip user... - ''[[User: Thewolfchild|<sup>the</sup>'''<big><em style="font-family:Matisse itc;color:red">WOLF</em></big>'''<small>child</small>]]'' 17:43, 20 June 2014 (UTC) |
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== Merger proposal == |
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{{discussion top|result=The result of the discussion was '''Merge'''. [[User:Shhhnotsoloud|Shhhnotsoloud]] ([[User talk:Shhhnotsoloud|talk]]) 11:05, 9 June 2018 (UTC) <small>([[Wikipedia:Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small>}} |
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I propose that [[Lucius Vorenus]] and [[Titus Pullo]] be merged into [[Vorenus and Pullo]]. Their articles are practically duplicates (and indeed, the same across all other languages' Wikipedias). They are both only notable because they are mentioned - in the same story - by Caesar in the ''[[Commentarii de Bello Gallico]]''. <span style="color:#0645AD;">[[User: Brightgalrs|<span style="color:#0645AD;">'''Brightgalrs'''</span>]] (/braɪtˈɡæl.ərˌɛs/)<sup>[[User talk:Brightgalrs|<span style="color:#0645AD;">[1]</span>]]</sup></span> 14:56, 7 November 2016 (UTC) |
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:Seconded. [[User:VerifiedCactus|The Verified Cactus]] ''[[User talk:VerifiedCactus|100%]]'' 14:00, 17 July 2017 (UTC) |
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:: Does existing and being essentially "[[Mentioned in dispatches]]" by Cesear, and being used in pop culture as a result give them specific notability? They already have a section in ''[[Commentarii de Bello Gallico]]''. I think this might be a case where a redirect to that artcile and their section is more appropriate than an individual article each. [[User:Macktheknifeau|Macktheknifeau]] ([[User talk:Macktheknifeau|talk]]) 16:19, 11 March 2018 (UTC) |
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::: I would '''support''' a merge into [[Vorenus and Pullo]], neutral leaning oppose with regards to merging/redirecting to ''[[Commentarii de Bello Gallico]]''. They are ''mentioned'' a number of times in scholarly literature preceding the TV series [https://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?start=0&q=vorenus+and+pullo&hl=en&as_sdt=0,5&as_yhi=2000], but no significant depth of coverage can be expected given that it all traces back to the short account by Julius Caesar. Still, I wouldn't mind making an exception to let them have a separate article because I think it's an interesting and 100% harmless article to have. [[User:Rentier|Rentier]] ([[User talk:Rentier|talk]]) 17:15, 11 March 2018 (UTC) |
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:::: Perhaps I've been reading too many AFD's tonight haha. I'm okay with a merger and a cleanup of the new article. [[User:Macktheknifeau|Macktheknifeau]] ([[User talk:Macktheknifeau|talk]]) 17:30, 11 March 2018 (UTC) |
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[edit]Someone updated the legion of the historical Pullo to being that of the 11th Legion - not the 13th - does anyone know where it says this in De Bello Gallico? - Beowulf314159 03:37, 21 December 2005 (UTC)
- Here is the whole chapter 44. from the book as can be downloaded in .txt format from www.gutenberg.org
XLIV.--In that legion there were two very brave men, centurions, who were now approaching the first ranks, T. Pulfio, and L. Varenus. These used to have continual disputes between them which of them should be preferred, and every year used to contend for promotion with the utmost animosity. When the fight was going on most vigorously before the fortifications, Pulfio, one of them, says, "Why do you hesitate, Varenus? or what [better] opportunity of signalising your valour do you seek? This very day shall decide our disputes." When he had uttered these words, he proceeds beyond the fortifications, and rushes on that part of the enemy which appeared the thickest. Nor does Varenus remain within the rampart, but respecting the high opinion of all, follows close after. Then, when an inconsiderable space intervened, Pulfio throws his javelin at the enemy, and pierces one of the multitude who was running up, and while the latter was wounded and slain, the enemy cover him with their shields, and all throw their weapons at the other and afford him no opportunity of retreating. The shield of Pulfio is pierced and a javelin is fastened in his belt. This circumstance turns aside his scabbard and obstructs his right hand when attempting to draw his sword: the enemy crowd around him when [thus] embarrassed. His rival runs up to him and succours him in this emergency. Immediately the whole host turn from Pulfio to him, supposing the other to be pierced through by the javelin. Varenus rushes on briskly with his sword and carries on the combat hand to hand, and having slain one man, for a short time drove back the rest: while he urges on too eagerly, slipping into a hollow, he fell. To him, in his turn, when surrounded, Pulfio brings relief; and both having slain a great number, retreat into the fortifications amidst the highest applause. Fortune so dealt with both in this rivalry and conflict, that the one competitor was a succour and a safeguard to the other, nor could it be determined which of the two appeared worthy of being preferred to the other. wrong the names are titus cicero and lucvorenus — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.25.179.246 (talk) 12:33, 9 March 2013 (UTC)
Fathering Caesarion
[edit]The HBO Rome series depicts Cleopatra having sex with Titus. But nowhere it is apparent if he is the father of Cleopatra's son Caesarion. What is the source of this statement of fact? 202.138.120.65 (talk) 08:35, 20 February 2009 (UTC)
- Have you seen the series? It is confirmed several times in multiple episodes that Pullo is the father of Caeserion. And by the way, I edited the profanity from your post. Not that you care, I suspect, since you're just an ip user... - theWOLFchild 17:43, 20 June 2014 (UTC)
Merger proposal
[edit]- The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section. A summary of the conclusions reached follows.
- The result of the discussion was Merge. Shhhnotsoloud (talk) 11:05, 9 June 2018 (UTC) (non-admin closure)
I propose that Lucius Vorenus and Titus Pullo be merged into Vorenus and Pullo. Their articles are practically duplicates (and indeed, the same across all other languages' Wikipedias). They are both only notable because they are mentioned - in the same story - by Caesar in the Commentarii de Bello Gallico. Brightgalrs (/braɪtˈɡæl.ərˌɛs/)[1] 14:56, 7 November 2016 (UTC)
- Seconded. The Verified Cactus 100% 14:00, 17 July 2017 (UTC)
- Does existing and being essentially "Mentioned in dispatches" by Cesear, and being used in pop culture as a result give them specific notability? They already have a section in Commentarii de Bello Gallico. I think this might be a case where a redirect to that artcile and their section is more appropriate than an individual article each. Macktheknifeau (talk) 16:19, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
- I would support a merge into Vorenus and Pullo, neutral leaning oppose with regards to merging/redirecting to Commentarii de Bello Gallico. They are mentioned a number of times in scholarly literature preceding the TV series [1], but no significant depth of coverage can be expected given that it all traces back to the short account by Julius Caesar. Still, I wouldn't mind making an exception to let them have a separate article because I think it's an interesting and 100% harmless article to have. Rentier (talk) 17:15, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
- Perhaps I've been reading too many AFD's tonight haha. I'm okay with a merger and a cleanup of the new article. Macktheknifeau (talk) 17:30, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
- I would support a merge into Vorenus and Pullo, neutral leaning oppose with regards to merging/redirecting to Commentarii de Bello Gallico. They are mentioned a number of times in scholarly literature preceding the TV series [1], but no significant depth of coverage can be expected given that it all traces back to the short account by Julius Caesar. Still, I wouldn't mind making an exception to let them have a separate article because I think it's an interesting and 100% harmless article to have. Rentier (talk) 17:15, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
- Does existing and being essentially "Mentioned in dispatches" by Cesear, and being used in pop culture as a result give them specific notability? They already have a section in Commentarii de Bello Gallico. I think this might be a case where a redirect to that artcile and their section is more appropriate than an individual article each. Macktheknifeau (talk) 16:19, 11 March 2018 (UTC)