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Eurosport

To my best knowledge, Eurosport doesn't broadcast CHL action across Europe. The German Eurosport was the CHL's broadcaster in Germany only. Also, the text implies that each national league that has a team qualified for the CHL negociates with the broadcasters of its country to have its member teams' CHL games covered. It doesn't work like that. The IIHF, through an agency, sells the rights. I changed that paragraph and linked to the CHL's website where they list all the broadcasters. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.233.107.169 (talk) 13:36, 28 December 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I believe Eurosport also broadcasted the games in Switzerland, but that may be the same German Eurosport channel you are talking about that is also available in Switzerland.213.210.157.14 (talk) 08:46, 18 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Length

Yes, I know it's short. I am working on adding more to it, at the moment. Bsroiaadn^Talk 03:23, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've added some more, but I know I/we can do better. I'll continue to work on this. Bsroiaadn^Talk 10:58, 23 May 2007 (UTC)[reply]

My reverted edit

User: Bsroiaadn, the reference doesn't say a thing about the Stanley Cup winner not competing for the Victoria Cup. It simply says the Victoria Cup is "not intended to compete with the Stanley Cup", which is something completely different. I should have phrased my original edit summary better. Elrith 04:58, 19 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

14th paragraph, 2nd sentence, "We are hoping that in two or three years as this proves successful, we will change the agreement with the NHL to have the Stanley Cup winner come over,". Wouldn't that mean that, at least during the first couple years, the Stanley Cup winner will not be competing? Bsroiaadn ^Talk 01:51, 21 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

The way I understand that is that from then on the Stanley Cup winner would be competing for the Victoria Cup regularly, as opposed to at all. Elrith 02:45, 23 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

It may be competed for by the defending Stanley Cup champion in a couple year if it proves to be successful. Meaning that, at least during the first season, it will not be competed for by the Stanley Cup champions. If you would like, we could ask WP:HOCKEY about this to get more opinions. Bsroiaadn ^Talk 05:48, 31 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]

No, the source you're quoting still doesn't say what you claim it says. Nowhere in the text does it say that the Stanley Cup winner positively will not compete during the first season. Elrith 23:20, 8 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

not "Russian Super league" anymore

but KHL or Continental Hockey League

87.226.123.130 (talk) 11:50, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Fixed. --Krm500 (talk) 12:01, 3 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]

"Continent"

Kazakhstan is Asian along with several KHL teams. Why was "Asia" deleted from the infobox?--Lvivske (talk) 18:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, that was a bit unfriendly of me to just remove it without giving a reason, I was in a hurry. My reasoning is that the CHL is defined as a competition for the best club teams in Europe. Kazakhstan is according to Wikipedia "a Eurasian country in Central Asia and Eastern Europe." If we add Asia to the continent section, it would in my opinion imply, that the CHL is also open for teams from any Asian country. Wild8oar (talk) 19:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

btw, I don't think it is correct to put the EU flag there, e.g. Switzerland, the country where the ZSC Lions come from, is not member of the EU.Wild8oar (talk) 19:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's the Flag of Europe, not exclusive to the EU; also encomposes the CoE, of which the Swiss are a member state. Doesn't include Kazakhstan or Belarus though....still, don't think it makes any presumptions--Lvivske (talk) 22:56, 28 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Furthermore, the IIHF exclusively talks about Europe, see here [1]. I would compare it to the UEFA Champions League, where also Europe is listed as continent, but also teams from Kazakhstan or Israel participate. Wild8oar (talk) 19:17, 27 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Template usage

Is it a good idea to use the Infobox football tournament template if this has nothing to do with football? Wouldn't Infobox Sports league template or some other template be more appropriate? IJK_Principle (talk) 18:11, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It's football tournament style, rather than just a general sports league, so IMO the former works best for the purposes of the CHL--Lvivske (talk) 22:39, 21 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Reorganisation

After the definite scratching of the CHL, I think this page (and the individual seasons) should be re-organized. As a clean-up for this page, I propose the following structure:

Introduction
Summary of first and only season, including some notes about its positive reception and the link to 2009-09 season article.
Cancelation (more or less the current paragraph).
Victoria Cup, including link to main article.
Refs etc.

Furthermore, I think the 2009-10 and 2010-11 season articles can be removed, as they really don't contain any relevant information anymore. What do you think? If nobody disagrees, I will start carrying this out over the next few days. 12:04, 9 March 2010 (UTC)

Complete agreement. Miden (talk) 12:53, 9 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Any news

IIHF has proudly announced in March 2011 that it would come again in Sep 2011 but after that just a little "meeting" report. I guess it is definitely off then. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.195.114.182 (talk) 07:10, 8 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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+==Eurosport==
+To my best knowledge, Eurosport doesn't broadcast CHL action across Europe. The German Eurosport was the CHL's broadcaster in Germany only. Also, the text implies that each national league that has a team qualified for the CHL negociates with the broadcasters of its country to have its member teams' CHL games covered. It doesn't work like that. The IIHF, through an agency, sells the rights.
+I changed that paragraph and linked to the CHL's website where they list all the broadcasters. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/82.233.107.169|82.233.107.169]] ([[User talk:82.233.107.169|talk]]) 13:36, 28 December 2008 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+*I believe Eurosport also broadcasted the games in Switzerland, but that may be the same German Eurosport channel you are talking about that is also available in Switzerland.[[Special:Contributions/213.210.157.14|213.210.157.14]] ([[User talk:213.210.157.14|talk]]) 08:46, 18 March 2009 (UTC)
 ==Length==
-Yes, I know it's short. I am working on adding more to it, at the moment. <font style="background:#E13A3E;">[[User:Bsroiaadn|'''<font style="color:#fff;">Bsroiaadn</font>''']][[User talk:Bsroiaadn|<sup><small><font style="color:#231F20;">Talk</font></small></sup>]]</font> 03:23, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
+Yes, I know it's short. I am working on adding more to it, at the moment. <span style="background:#E13A3E;">[[User:Bsroiaadn|'''<span style="color:#fff;">Bsroiaadn</span>''']][[User talk:Bsroiaadn|<sup><small style="color:#231F20;">Talk</small></sup>]]</span> 03:23, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
+:I've added some more, but I know I/we can do better. I'll continue to work on this. <span style="background:#E13A3E;">[[User:Bsroiaadn|'''<span style="color:#fff;">Bsroiaadn</span>''']][[User talk:Bsroiaadn|<sup><small style="color:#231F20;">Talk</small></sup>]]</span> 10:58, 23 May 2007 (UTC)
+== My reverted edit ==
+[[User: Bsroiaadn]], the reference doesn't say a thing about the Stanley Cup winner not competing for the Victoria Cup. It simply says the Victoria Cup is "not intended to compete ''with'' the Stanley Cup", which is something completely different. I should have phrased my original edit summary better. [[User:Elrith|Elrith]] 04:58, 19 October 2007 (UTC)
+:14th paragraph, 2nd sentence, "We are hoping that in two or three years as this proves successful, we will change the agreement with the NHL to have the Stanley Cup winner come over,". Wouldn't that mean that, at least during the first couple years, the Stanley Cup winner will not be competing? [[User:Bsroiaadn|Bsroiaadn]][[User talk:Bsroiaadn|<sup><small>Talk</small></sup>]] 01:51, 21 October 2007 (UTC)
+The way I understand that is that from then on the Stanley Cup winner would be competing for the Victoria Cup regularly, as opposed to at all. [[User:Elrith|Elrith]] 02:45, 23 October 2007 (UTC)
+::It ''may'' be competed for by the defending Stanley Cup champion in a couple year ''if'' it proves to be successful. Meaning that, at least during the first season, it will not be competed for by the Stanley Cup champions. If you would like, we could ask [[WP:HOCKEY]] about this to get more opinions. [[User:Bsroiaadn|Bsroiaadn]][[User talk:Bsroiaadn|<sup><small>Talk</small></sup>]] 05:48, 31 October 2007 (UTC)
+No, the source you're quoting still doesn't say what you claim it says. Nowhere in the text does it say that the Stanley Cup winner positively will '''not''' compete during the first season. [[User:Elrith|Elrith]] 23:20, 8 November 2007 (UTC)
+== not "Russian Super league" anymore ==
+but KHL or Continental Hockey League
+[[Special:Contributions/87.226.123.130|87.226.123.130]] ([[User talk:87.226.123.130|talk]]) 11:50, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
+:Fixed. --[[User:Krm500|Krm500]] ([[User talk:Krm500|talk]]) 12:01, 3 September 2008 (UTC)
+== "Continent" ==
+Kazakhstan is Asian along with several KHL teams. Why was "Asia" deleted from the infobox?--[[User:Lvivske|Lvivske]] ([[User talk:Lvivske|talk]]) 18:12, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
+:Sorry, that was a bit unfriendly of me to just remove it without giving a reason, I was in a hurry. My reasoning is that the CHL is defined as a competition for the best club teams in Europe. [[Kazakhstan]] is according to Wikipedia "a Eurasian country in Central Asia and Eastern Europe." If we add Asia to the continent section, it would in my opinion imply, that the CHL is also open for teams from any Asian country. [[User:Wild8oar|Wild8oar]] ([[User talk:Wild8oar|talk]]) 19:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
+:: btw, I don't think it is correct to put the EU flag there, e.g. Switzerland, the country where the ZSC Lions come from, is not member of the EU.[[User:Wild8oar|Wild8oar]] ([[User talk:Wild8oar|talk]]) 19:11, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
+:::It's the [[Flag of Europe]], not exclusive to the EU; also encomposes the CoE, of which the Swiss are a member state. Doesn't include Kazakhstan or Belarus though....still, don't think it makes any presumptions--[[User:Lvivske|Lvivske]] ([[User talk:Lvivske|talk]]) 22:56, 28 January 2009 (UTC)
+:Furthermore, the IIHF exclusively talks about Europe, see here [http://www.iihf.com/home-of-hockey/club-events/champions-hockey-league.html]. I would compare it to the [[UEFA Champions League]], where also Europe is listed as continent, but also teams from Kazakhstan or Israel participate. [[User:Wild8oar|Wild8oar]] ([[User talk:Wild8oar|talk]]) 19:17, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
+== Template usage ==
+Is it a good idea to use the [[Template:Infobox football tournament|Infobox football tournament template]] if this has nothing to do with football? Wouldn't [[Template:Infobox Sports league|Infobox Sports league template]] or some other template be more appropriate? [[User:IJK Principle|IJK_Principle]] ([[User talk:IJK Principle|talk]]) 18:11, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
+:It's football tournament style, rather than just a general sports league, so IMO the former works best for the purposes of the CHL--[[User:Lvivske|Lvivske]] ([[User talk:Lvivske|talk]]) 22:39, 21 February 2009 (UTC)
+==Reorganisation==
+After the definite scratching of the CHL, I think this page (and the individual seasons) should be re-organized. As a clean-up for this page, I propose the following structure:
+* Introduction
+* Summary of first and only season, including some notes about its positive reception and the link to 2009-09 season article.
+* Cancelation (more or less the current paragraph).
+* Victoria Cup, including link to main article.
+* Refs etc.
+Furthermore, I think the 2009-10 and 2010-11 season articles can be removed, as they really don't contain any relevant information anymore.
+What do you think? If nobody disagrees, I will start carrying this out over the next few days.
+:04, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
+:Complete agreement. [[User:Miden|Miden]] ([[User talk:Miden|talk]]) 12:53, 9 March 2010 (UTC)
+==Any news==
+IIHF has proudly announced in March 2011 that it would come again in Sep 2011 but after that just a little "meeting" report.
+I guess it is definitely off then.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/88.195.114.182|88.195.114.182]] ([[User talk:88.195.114.182|talk]]) 07:10, 8 April 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
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-==Merge==
-The Victoria Cup is directly related with the Champions Hockey League so it should be in that article. At the moment it doesn't have enough to it to warrant an article by itself, so Victoria Cup should be merged into Champions Hockey League. The Champions Hockey League article already has more on the Victoria Cup than the Victoria Cup article. [[User:69.125.225.190|69.125.225.190]] 10:10, 23 May 2007 (UTC)