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== African American gangs == |
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This article strikes me as extremely stupidly written and biased, even in the first paragraph. A pimp is not specifically someone who finds underage and "for what ever reason" susceptible women. Or take this. |
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"At the top there is the pimp who runs the business. Below the pimp is the bottom girl. She acts in a way like an office manager, keeping tabs on the neighborhood when the pimp is away, keeping the pimp apprised of the law enforcement activity, and collecting money from the prostitutes." |
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This is, let's face it, stupid. It's poorly written, and the citation doesn't link to anything. |
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Someone fix this article. |
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== Edit request from 68.39.243.39, 18 April 2010 == |
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[[Special:Contributions/68.39.243.39|68.39.243.39]] ([[User talk:68.39.243.39|talk]]) 05:27, 18 April 2010 (UTC) |
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:What would you like to edit? —'''<span style="solid;background: #5D8AA8;font-family: Century Gothic">[[User:MikeAllen|<font color="#3FFF00">Mike</font>]] [[User talk:MikeAllen|<font color="#3FFF00">Allen</font>]]</span>''' 05:38, 18 April 2010 (UTC) |
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== Use of Tattoos == |
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Basically nothing in this paragraph is supported by the given sites and should be removed. I'd remove it but the page is semi-protected for no obvious reason. [[Special:Contributions/128.114.59.182|128.114.59.182]] ([[User talk:128.114.59.182|talk]]) 22:47, 28 May 2010 (UTC) |
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* Actually, the comments regarding tattoos are supported in both references provided. [[User:Cindamuse|Cindamuse]] ([[User talk:Cindamuse|talk]]) 23:01, 26 August 2010 (UTC) |
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:*Please read the actual linked reference. It says nothing of the sort. [[User:TJ Black|TJ Black]] ([[User talk:TJ Black|talk]]) 02:04, 15 November 2010 (UTC) |
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::*I have read it and it supports the content offered in the article. Please refrain from POV pushing through deletion of sections and content. Your edits equate to vandalism. [[User:Cindamuse|Cindamuse]] ([[User talk:Cindamuse|talk]]) 02:38, 15 November 2010 (UTC) |
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:::Where, in either linked ref, does it say any of the following things: |
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:::*Many pimps tattoo prostitutes as a mark of "ownership" |
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:::*The tattoo will often be the pimp's street or even his likeness |
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:::*The mark might be as discreet as ankle tattoo, or blatant as a neck tattoo, or large scale font across the prostitute's lower back, thigh, chest, or buttocks |
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:::*If a prostitute comes under the domain of another pimp, the previous pimp's tattoo might either be removed or simply crossed out and replaced with her new pimp's name. |
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:::I'm not seeing it. And as these aren't supported by either ref, please explain how I'm POV pushing by removing them. Also please explain why it's POV pushing to remove "type= [[Criminal]]" from the info box when nothing in the definition implies that pimps are necessarily criminal? To state that is potentially even a BLP violation. [[User:TJ Black|TJ Black]] ([[User talk:TJ Black|talk]]) 02:57, 15 November 2010 (UTC) |
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:::*The general consensus is that paragraphs/sections of sorts need support of at least one source. The entry on the branding of prostitutes with tattoos is supported through two sources. Additional links are certainly available, but link farms are not appropriate. And honestly, trying to claim that pimping is not ''criminal'' is a stretch, or in other words, an attempt at ''POV pushing''. Seriously, just stop. [[User:Cindamuse|Cindamuse]] ([[User talk:Cindamuse|talk]]) 03:25, 15 November 2010 (UTC) |
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::::Stop what? Trying to bring the article into conformity with wikipedia guidelines? Or do they just not apply to this article for some reason? If so, then it should be explicitly marked as such. If not, then please address the questions raised above instead of just dismissing them, distorting my words, and repeatedly slandering other editors with false accusations of vandalism and POV pushing. Thank you. [[User:TJ Black|TJ Black]] ([[User talk:TJ Black|talk]]) 03:31, 15 November 2010 (UTC) |
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:::::Can I butt in? I think you are both right and both wrong. First, I think (this is my personal opinion) that the paragraph makes a bit (too) much out of two mentions, one of which is an op-ed piece. But the proper course of action here is not to remove the entire paragraph, since the two references are to reliable sources, and there is no violation of any kind here. The statements summarized above by TJ Black are more or less verified by the articles, but one may disagree about the depth and extent of those discussions ''in'' the articles. Conceivably though, sources could be found--removing it, and removing those sources, is at the least disruptive. At the same time, the section as it stands is, in my opinion, insufficiently verified. As for the criminal part, I don't get that at all--as far as I know, pimping is against the law (in most countries). That makes it criminal (in most countries). End of discussion. To want to remove that qualification is indeed disruptive POV pushing, and I urge TJ Black to refrain from making such edits. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 19:12, 15 November 2010 (UTC) |
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::::::Thank you for actually discussing content. I don't know what Cindamuse is hoping to accomplish by throwing out false accusations and refusing to discuss content, but it's very disheartening. I proposed something similar to what you said above on their talk page - reduce the section to 1 sentence, as that's all that's conceivably supported by the refs, and since 1 sentence isn't sufficient for it's own section, merge it into the previous paragraph. As for the remainder of the paragraph, it's purely original research, not backed by the given refs at all. An eminently reasonable compromise, but for some reason Cindamuse refuses to even discuss it. |
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::::::As for defining pimping as criminal, you give an argument that it isn't and then conclude that it is. So it has to be removed as a potential BLP violation. Either that or remove the list of "Notable pimps and madams". It's one or the other, to suggest anything else means violating wikipedia's core principles. Thanks again for engaging in actual constructive discussion. That's the only way wikipedia can work; disruptive editors like Cindamuse are not contributing. [[User:TJ Black|TJ Black]] ([[User talk:TJ Black|talk]]) 19:40, 15 November 2010 (UTC) |
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<--No, I didn't give an argument that pimping is not criminal. I said it is against the law, and thus I think that "Criminal" is proper in the infobox. You can call for verification, but the argument that this is a BLP violation is quite a stretch. The list has nothing to do with that--I assume that those person's pimpness is well-established in their articles. BTW, I removed the unverified part from the Tattoo section, with [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Pimp&diff=396972007&oldid=396830313 an edit summary explaining why]. Also, please don't call Cindamuse disruptive; their actions have been, in my opinion, in perfect agreement with Wikipedia's guidelines, and it is best not to let it go that far. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 20:47, 15 November 2010 (UTC) |
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:No, you said it's illegal in some countries, and thus not uniformly criminal. And calling everyone listed on this page a criminal is a BLP violation. And most editors would consider reverting edits with no justification while making false accusations and refusing to discuss content disruptive, but I guess we'll have to agree to disagree on that point. As mentioned before, please mark this page with a template stating that it's exempt from wikipedia's core policies. That would save a lot of trouble all around, don't you agree? Thanks. [[User:TJ Black|TJ Black]] ([[User talk:TJ Black|talk]]) 21:08, 15 November 2010 (UTC) |
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::Your sarcasm, as well as your twisting my words, is duly noted. Go ahead and mark it with a template yourself, since you are making that claim. But please try and gauge the opinion of other editors, to see if they agree with your reading of events. If my edits (and those of Cindamuse) are not in agreement with WP core policies, I will gladly stand corrected. I look forward to receiving a notification that says you have alerted the community at [[Wikipedia:Content noticeboard]] or [[Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons/Noticeboard]]; if you are right, you should be able to make your case easily. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 22:30, 15 November 2010 (UTC) |
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== The modern slang term for pimp == |
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* The term "pimp" (used as a verb) is covered within the Etymology section. You may also want to view [[Pimp (disambiguation)]] for more information. [[User:Cindamuse|Cindamuse]] ([[User talk:Cindamuse|talk]]) 22:41, 26 August 2010 (UTC) |
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To quote the text: "Pimping rivals narcotic sales as a major source of funding for many gangs, this is particularly true with African American gangs." There is no citation given, and there is no apparent reason why white gang members would be less fond of prostitution. This should be checked, as the motivation behind this "information" may be racist. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/84.63.40.8|84.63.40.8]] ([[User talk:84.63.40.8|talk]]) 19:20, 11 January 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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* The description of "pimping" as a slang term being first used on the MTV show "Pimp My Ride" is incorrect. The slang term originated with the world wrestling federation. In 1998 wrestler Charles Wright debuted a "pimp" character known as "the Godfather" he would come to the stage with a group of women he referred to as "ho's" His character was highly stereotypical of the "1970's pimp". The women were local strippers who were paid to surround him that evening. The song written for Charles Wright's character contained the words "Pimpin aint pimpin aint easy man, pimpin aint easy man". Soon "pimpin aint easy" became a common catch phrase, derived both from the Godfather's act and used as a colloquiolism in "the hood". In low income black neighbourhoods in the United States, pimps and drug dealers are the only ones making money. So anyone who is rich in those neighbourhoods is "pimping". The etymology of the slang term becomes a little hazy from there, since both sources managed to turn "pimping" into a term that meant "being stylish in an over-the-top way". Pimp my ride didn't air until 2004. Frankly, "Pimping" was in wide use in the early 1990's but I only know that because I was there, and I'm not sure if there is a literary source for the fact. |
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I agree. The text seems like it's meant to portray black gangs as worse than white ones. Either the text should be cited (and heavily), or it should be removed. [[Special:Contributions/142.151.162.155|142.151.162.155]] ([[User talk:142.151.162.155|talk]]) 17:36, 26 March 2012 (UTC) |
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For the rest, I suggest every Spike Lee movie ever made, Boyz in the Hood, The colour purple, fritz the cat, a book called how it was: growing up black in the 50's. |
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== Very US-centric == |
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I apologize for being really bad at editing wikipedia, however, the reference was incorrect and I wanted to say something about it. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.24.24.16|70.24.24.16]] ([[User talk:70.24.24.16|talk]]) 03:52, 4 February 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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⚫ | While this article offers some excellent detail, it is almost entirely focused on the ''US'' culture of pimping. This is a global site and therefore should offer a global perspective. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/82.31.49.24|82.31.49.24]] ([[User talk:82.31.49.24|talk]]) 22:27, 13 February 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Edit request from 209.129.115.2, 10 November 2010 == |
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Under Notable pimps, I'm sure that Miles Davis was one for a short period around the fifties. |
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The wiki entry on the word "pimp" is so incredibly biased it doesn't even mention that pimping is also called human trafficking or sexual slavery. See Kathleen Barry's "Female Sexual Slavery." The definition evokes a reverse image of a pimp as a "protector" of women and children. Iceland and Sweden are the only countries that have had any success with curbing human trafficking by decriminalizing the prostitute, while criminalizing the johns, pimps or traffickers. Pimps are now sometimes tattooing their merchandise (i.e. their human products) so they can be tracked down if they attempt to escape. Women and children are trafficked all over the world, from country to country as well as within countries. The victims of this trafficking are mostly women and children held and sold by men. There are exceptions, boy children, and trans-gendered men impersonating women. The latter category arose especially in SE Asia, Thailand, to cater to USA military personnel by impoverished Asian boys who entered prostitution as a means of economic survival or were inducted by traffickers. The sympathetic wiki entry on "pimps" reads like a P.R. campaign for pimps and traffickers. This entry is protected from any corrections thereby censoring all those who are victims of trafficking or have a differing view of the sympathetic, glamorized, beneficent portrait presented here. <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Elizabeth1848|Elizabeth1848]] ([[User talk:Elizabeth1848|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Elizabeth1848|contribs]]) 20:01, 8 March 2013 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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[[Special:Contributions/209.129.115.2|209.129.115.2]] ([[User talk:209.129.115.2|talk]]) 00:08, 10 November 2010 (UTC) |
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== Madam == |
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{{ESp|n}} Since that request is somewhere between patent nonsense and unreferenced, it cannot be added to the page. Should you, somehow, produce a reliable source verifying that fact, then we could consider adding it. [[User:Qwyrxian|Qwyrxian]] ([[User talk:Qwyrxian|talk]]) 01:54, 10 November 2010 (UTC) |
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*We ''could'' consider that, but why would we? In his autobiography Miles says that he acted like one, but what is the point of listing that in this article? It was hardly his main line of income--you may know that he also played the trumpet. [[User:Drmies|Drmies]] ([[User talk:Drmies|talk]]) 18:58, 15 November 2010 (UTC) |
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*I have to take issue with the statement that "most pimps are men". As a matter of fact, ALL pimps are men. A female pimp is called a madame. There are just as many madames as pimps, and certainly more of note since the media tend to glamourize madames. You wouldn't see a male pimp getting away with writing a book called "the happy hooker" (authored by xaviera hollander) and getting away with it. Which is why I would have to agree with the assertion that most male pimp/female prostitute relationships are abusive. No woman would choose to have sex with men for money. It would be severely physically painful. Cervical dysplasia is often found in prostitues. See "Cervical Neoplasia and human papiloma virus" http://sti.bmj.com/content/67/6/478.abstract "The results demonstrate a higher incidence and prevalence of cervical dysplasia in prostitutes and therefore suggest regular cervical PAP smear screening in registered prostitutes twice a year" There is also an increased risk of hiv/aids among prostitutes. here is a site that links to other sources http://www.avert.org/prostitution-aids.htm Incidentally, can the person who refers to prostitution as legal in some countries please provide an encyclopedic reference. I'm pretty sure it's just plain illegal. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.24.24.16|70.24.24.16]] ([[User talk:70.24.24.16|talk]]) 04:03, 4 February 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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A Madam is a woman who manages (runs, owns) a brothel. The word "madam" in the lead section of this article should not internally link to the [[Madam]] article. Here's why. The [[Madam]] article only has ''one'' sentence about this topic and that sentence refers readers to the [[brothel]] article. This Pimp article can link directly to the brothel article. In fact, that ''one'' sentence in the Madam article about the female brothel manager should probably be removed. A <nowiki>{{For|...|brothel}}</nowiki> could be added, but the [[Madam]] article already has a <nowiki>{{About|the title|other uses|Madam (disambiguation)}}</nowiki>. --[[Special:Contributions/82.170.113.123|82.170.113.123]] ([[User talk:82.170.113.123|talk]]) 18:21, 24 April 2013 (UTC) |
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:Also in the lead section, the sentence that includes the clause "pimp/madam" is unjustly implying that madam is a synonym for pimp. You can read that whole sentence and you'll know what I mean. You can also search for "madam" in this Pimp article; the word is mentioned three times (not including a category name) and the other two mentions of madam are accurate. --[[Special:Contributions/82.170.113.123|82.170.113.123]] ([[User talk:82.170.113.123|talk]]) 18:25, 24 April 2013 (UTC) |
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:[[File:Yes check.svg|20px|link=|alt=]] '''Done'''<!-- Template:ESp -->: unlinked madam. Not sure what else you want changed. -[[User:Nathan Johnson|Nathan Johnson]] ([[User talk:Nathan Johnson|talk]]) 00:26, 9 May 2013 (UTC) |
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== Articles Pimp and [[Procuring (prostitution)]] must be merged == |
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== The discussion so far == |
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The articles Pimp and [[Procuring (prostitution)]] must be merged to the article [[Procuring (prostitution)]]. The two article are about the same subject, and the content in them is relatively the same. "Pimp" is actually a slang term form procuring/pandering.[[Special:Contributions/2A02:2F0A:501F:FFFF:0:0:50C:DC6A|2A02:2F0A:501F:FFFF:0:0:50C:DC6A]] ([[User talk:2A02:2F0A:501F:FFFF:0:0:50C:DC6A|talk]]) <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|undated]] comment added 20:16, 19 June 2013 (UTC)</span><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Greetings. Not considering the validity of the arguments given above, one thing remains after all these years of debate; this article doesn't give any information on pimping in countries where it IS legal. That's somewhat troubling. Not all countries that allow brothels are 3rd world nations being abused by rich westerners; one example of modern western states with laws allowing prostitution (and yes, pimping) might be Germany. |
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== Procuring, pandering and brothels in Spain is not legal in any place. == |
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The problem here is that the whole article is very POV from the, and I'm going to say this even risking a backlash, American feminist, politically correct, viewpoint. While the 'facts' stated in the current article are most likely true in a subset of the whole set of 'pimping business', they are not universally true by any means. |
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Procuring, pandering and brothels in Spain is forbbiden in all our country. There is no place in Spain where you can be legally a pimp. |
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On the other hand, prostitution is lawful because there are no regulation about that. |
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Prostitution is legal in most counties in the state of Nevada in the US (though not in Las Vegas or Reno). See for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Nevada . It is also legal in some locations in Holland, such as the city of Amsterdam. See for example http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_the_Netherlands . In both these locations the activity is government regulated (e.g. government-mandated health inspections and condom use). I'm uncertain of the legal status of 'pimping' in these jurisdictions, though in both of them prostitutes normally work in buildings owned by someone else, and pay fees to them. Obviously even in jurisdictions where being a pimp/madam is legal, abusive treatment of their prostitutes by pimps/madams would be illegal, and the Wikipedia page on Dutch prostitution makes it clear that this sometimes occurs there. |
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CODIGO PENAL DE ESPAÑA |
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Prostitution itself (the act of exchanging sex for money) is legal in England, though many activities normally associated with prostitution (e.g. pimping/being a madam, advertising the prostitute's services, soliciting for prostitution in public places, more than one prostitute working in the same building, not reporting prostitution-related earnings to the tax authorities, etc.) are illegal there. There are also some countries/locations where, while prostitution is technically illegal, the law is seldom or almost never enforced. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/131.107.0.71|131.107.0.71]] ([[User talk:131.107.0.71|talk]]) 00:51, 28 May 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Artículo 188. (Artículo redactado de acuerdo con la modificación establecida por la Ley Orgánica |
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11/2003, de 29 de septiembre) |
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1. El que determine, empleando violencia, intimidación o engaño, o abusando de una situación de |
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superioridad o de necesidad o vulnerabilidad de la víctima, a persona mayor de edad a ejercer la prostitución |
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o a mantenerse en ella, será castigado con las penas de prisión de dos a cuatro años y multa de 12 a 24 |
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meses. En la misma pena incurrirá el que se lucre explotando la prostitución de otra persona, aun con el |
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Reference to UN convention of 2005
[edit]The following statement is made in this article:
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"In 2005, the United Nations adopted a convention stating that prostitution is a matter of sexual choice and should be legal throughout the UN, repealing the 1949 statute. Most voters voted for the resolution, and 165 countries legalized prostitution. The most notable non-signatory was the United States."
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African American gangs
[edit]To quote the text: "Pimping rivals narcotic sales as a major source of funding for many gangs, this is particularly true with African American gangs." There is no citation given, and there is no apparent reason why white gang members would be less fond of prostitution. This should be checked, as the motivation behind this "information" may be racist. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 84.63.40.8 (talk) 19:20, 11 January 2012 (UTC)
I agree. The text seems like it's meant to portray black gangs as worse than white ones. Either the text should be cited (and heavily), or it should be removed. 142.151.162.155 (talk) 17:36, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
Very US-centric
[edit]While this article offers some excellent detail, it is almost entirely focused on the US culture of pimping. This is a global site and therefore should offer a global perspective. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 82.31.49.24 (talk) 22:27, 13 February 2013 (UTC)
Biased
[edit]The wiki entry on the word "pimp" is so incredibly biased it doesn't even mention that pimping is also called human trafficking or sexual slavery. See Kathleen Barry's "Female Sexual Slavery." The definition evokes a reverse image of a pimp as a "protector" of women and children. Iceland and Sweden are the only countries that have had any success with curbing human trafficking by decriminalizing the prostitute, while criminalizing the johns, pimps or traffickers. Pimps are now sometimes tattooing their merchandise (i.e. their human products) so they can be tracked down if they attempt to escape. Women and children are trafficked all over the world, from country to country as well as within countries. The victims of this trafficking are mostly women and children held and sold by men. There are exceptions, boy children, and trans-gendered men impersonating women. The latter category arose especially in SE Asia, Thailand, to cater to USA military personnel by impoverished Asian boys who entered prostitution as a means of economic survival or were inducted by traffickers. The sympathetic wiki entry on "pimps" reads like a P.R. campaign for pimps and traffickers. This entry is protected from any corrections thereby censoring all those who are victims of trafficking or have a differing view of the sympathetic, glamorized, beneficent portrait presented here. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elizabeth1848 (talk • contribs) 20:01, 8 March 2013 (UTC)
Madam
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A Madam is a woman who manages (runs, owns) a brothel. The word "madam" in the lead section of this article should not internally link to the Madam article. Here's why. The Madam article only has one sentence about this topic and that sentence refers readers to the brothel article. This Pimp article can link directly to the brothel article. In fact, that one sentence in the Madam article about the female brothel manager should probably be removed. A {{For|...|brothel}} could be added, but the Madam article already has a {{About|the title|other uses|Madam (disambiguation)}}. --82.170.113.123 (talk) 18:21, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
- Also in the lead section, the sentence that includes the clause "pimp/madam" is unjustly implying that madam is a synonym for pimp. You can read that whole sentence and you'll know what I mean. You can also search for "madam" in this Pimp article; the word is mentioned three times (not including a category name) and the other two mentions of madam are accurate. --82.170.113.123 (talk) 18:25, 24 April 2013 (UTC)
- Done: unlinked madam. Not sure what else you want changed. -Nathan Johnson (talk) 00:26, 9 May 2013 (UTC)
Articles Pimp and Procuring (prostitution) must be merged
[edit]The articles Pimp and Procuring (prostitution) must be merged to the article Procuring (prostitution). The two article are about the same subject, and the content in them is relatively the same. "Pimp" is actually a slang term form procuring/pandering.2A02:2F0A:501F:FFFF:0:0:50C:DC6A (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 20:16, 19 June 2013 (UTC)
Procuring, pandering and brothels in Spain is not legal in any place.
[edit]Procuring, pandering and brothels in Spain is forbbiden in all our country. There is no place in Spain where you can be legally a pimp.
On the other hand, prostitution is lawful because there are no regulation about that.
CODIGO PENAL DE ESPAÑA Artículo 188. (Artículo redactado de acuerdo con la modificación establecida por la Ley Orgánica 11/2003, de 29 de septiembre) 1. El que determine, empleando violencia, intimidación o engaño, o abusando de una situación de superioridad o de necesidad o vulnerabilidad de la víctima, a persona mayor de edad a ejercer la prostitución o a mantenerse en ella, será castigado con las penas de prisión de dos a cuatro años y multa de 12 a 24 meses. En la misma pena incurrirá el que se lucre explotando la prostitución de otra persona, aun con el consentimiento de la misma. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Auxpex (talk • contribs) 08:55, 26 June 2013 (UTC)