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My favourite example of comic timing is [[Don Hertzfeldt]]'s ''Rejected''.--[[User:Sonjaaa|Sonjaaa]] 18:29, Sep 13, 2004 (UTC) |
My favourite example of comic timing is [[Don Hertzfeldt]]'s ''Rejected''.--[[User:Sonjaaa|Sonjaaa]] 18:29, Sep 13, 2004 (UTC) |
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==Added Pregnant pause section== |
==Added Pregnant pause section== |
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The "pregnant pause" section has been merged in from another article which now redirects here. Might need to be rewritten or something. --[[User:Xyzzyplugh|Xyzzyplugh]] 02:31, 17 September 2006 (UTC) |
The "pregnant pause" section has been merged in from another article which now redirects here. Might need to be rewritten or something. --[[User:Xyzzyplugh|Xyzzyplugh]] 02:31, 17 September 2006 (UTC) |
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I believe "pregnant pause" is a good term, but is not different from what is described as "pause" in the introduction. [[Special:Contributions/194.78.35.195|194.78.35.195]] ([[User talk:194.78.35.195|talk]]) 08:56, 26 July 2010 (UTC) |
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== People with Asperger's having trouble with this == |
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Should we add info about anyone with [[Asperger's Syndrome]] having trouble with this utter concept? Or should this be added to the Asperger's article? I'd say this ''needs'' to be added somewhere, in either article. Thank you. --[[User:LUUSAP|Let Us]] [[User Talk:LUUSAP|Update]] [[Special:Ancientpages]]. 13:59, 28 May 2008 (UTC) |
Should we add info about anyone with [[Asperger's Syndrome]] having trouble with this utter concept? Or should this be added to the Asperger's article? I'd say this ''needs'' to be added somewhere, in either article. Thank you. --[[User:LUUSAP|Let Us]] [[User Talk:LUUSAP|Update]] [[Special:Ancientpages]]. 13:59, 28 May 2008 (UTC) |
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::I'd say so. Perhaps in both articles, as long as their are sources i think it's relevant.[[User:Sanitycult|Sanitycult]] ([[User talk:Sanitycult|talk]]) 05:51, 4 June 2008 (UTC) |
::I'd say so. Perhaps in both articles, as long as their are sources i think it's relevant.[[User:Sanitycult|Sanitycult]] ([[User talk:Sanitycult|talk]]) 05:51, 4 June 2008 (UTC) |
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== Examples == |
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It can be argued, strongly, that all comedians use comic timing. Is it really necessary to highlight six or seven? [[User:Mykll42|Mykll42]] ([[User talk:Mykll42|talk]]) 22:59, 30 June 2008 (UTC) |
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Agreed. Every sitcom, comedian and movie relies on comic timing. Specific examples are unnecessary. Also, it seems rather inappropriate to include one dirty joke (Margaret Cho's) on a page where that kind of language really wouldn't be expected. I'm no prude, but I just don't see the point of it.[[Special:Contributions/24.235.156.135|24.235.156.135]] ([[User talk:24.235.156.135|talk]]) 00:48, 10 October 2009 (UTC) |
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==Remove Farce== |
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Farce is indeed a kind of comedy, but it is not specifically based on timing any more than other genres. The basis of farce is exaggeration: dialogues and motion happen at excess speed. This is the mechanism that makes it funny, not the timing of it. |
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[[Special:Contributions/194.78.35.195|194.78.35.195]] ([[User talk:194.78.35.195|talk]]) 08:56, 26 July 2010 (UTC) |
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[[Special:Contributions/194.78.35.195|194.78.35.195]] ([[User talk:194.78.35.195|talk]]) 08:56, 26 July 2010 (UTC) |
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The result of the move request was: '''not moved'''. <small>([[Wikipedia:Requested moves/Closing instructions#Non-admin closure|non-admin closure]])</small> [[User:TonyBallioni|TonyBallioni]] ([[User talk:TonyBallioni|talk]]) 05:28, 31 March 2017 (UTC) |
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[[:Comic timing]] → {{no redirect|Comedic timing}} – Google search returns ~500k results for "Comic timing" and ~1.7m for "Comedic timing" [[User:Shaded0|Shaded0]] ([[User talk:Shaded0|talk]]) 17:50, 22 March 2017 (UTC) |
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*Then the dog said to the flea "I've got an itch and you...are the scratch", [[ba-dum-bum]] p.s. '''Support''' [[user:Randy Kryn|Randy Kryn]] 23:23, 22 March 2017 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose'''. I'm not replicating those search results. "Comic timing" is far more common on Google Books ([https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=%22comic+timing%22&tbm=bks&* 18.3k] vs. ([https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#tbm=bks&q=%22comedic+timing%22&* 4.7k]) and on Google News ([https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#tbm=nws&q=%22comic+timing%22&* 36.7k] vs. [https://www.google.com/webhp?sourceid=chrome-instant&ion=1&espv=2&ie=UTF-8#q=%22comedic+timing%22&tbm=nws&* 14.4k]).--[[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 21:20, 27 March 2017 (UTC) |
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*'''Oppose'''. ''Comedic'' is an [[esoteric]] term. Better to use the term most English speakers use and understand. [[User:Andrewa|Andrewa]] ([[User talk:Andrewa|talk]]) 00:14, 30 March 2017 (UTC) |
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== Some examples, at seeming random == |
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This section is way too top heavy with OR for my taste, and as some people have voiced in earlier comments, it seems surprising to focus on particular comedians, when nearly every successful comedian relies on timing, though some comedians lampshade their pauses more than others. With Borges, some of the pauses are so overwrought they almost function as a character in the skit: Ministry of Silly Walks vs. Ministry of Silly Pauses. I would favour an entirely different approach to this article. — [[user:MaxEnt|MaxEnt]] 07:46, 3 April 2018 (UTC) |
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== Editing Project == |
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Hey all! I'm going to be doing some comprehensive editing to the page as part of a project for a technical editing class. Namely, I plan to: |
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1. remove the farce section |
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:As a few editors have posted above, a farce is not inherently related to comic timing. Having it within the article might confuse users |
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2. Clean up examples |
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:As a few editors have posted above, pointing out a few users of comic timing undercuts the universality of comic timing. to remedy this, I plan to create a History section that examines comic timing generally. It will mention its usage by Shakespeare, Shaw, Beckett along with the examples given. This will emphasize comic timing as a tool of comedy in general rather than a tool used by specific comedians. |
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Let me know if you have an objections. Thanks! [[User:TWJohn|TWJohn]] ([[User talk:TWJohn|talk]]) 05:46, 1 March 2019 (UTC) |
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Hello all, Below is attached my sandbox with proposed changes implemented. I will be posting my changes on 06:00 17 March (UTC). Let me know between now and then if you have any objections or suggestions. Thank you! [[User:TWJohn|TWJohn]] ([[User talk:TWJohn|talk]]) 07:03, 11 March 2019 (UTC) |
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TWJohn/sandbox_Draft_of_Comic_Timing_Page |
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[edit]My favourite example of comic timing is Don Hertzfeldt's Rejected.--Sonjaaa 18:29, Sep 13, 2004 (UTC)
Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment
[edit]This article was the subject of a Wiki Education Foundation-supported course assignment, between 13 February 2019 and 3 May 2019. Further details are available on the course page. Student editor(s): TWJohn.
Above undated message substituted from Template:Dashboard.wikiedu.org assignment by PrimeBOT (talk) 18:07, 16 January 2022 (UTC)
Added Pregnant pause section
[edit]The "pregnant pause" section has been merged in from another article which now redirects here. Might need to be rewritten or something. --Xyzzyplugh 02:31, 17 September 2006 (UTC)
I believe "pregnant pause" is a good term, but is not different from what is described as "pause" in the introduction. 194.78.35.195 (talk) 08:56, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
People with Asperger's having trouble with this
[edit]Should we add info about anyone with Asperger's Syndrome having trouble with this utter concept? Or should this be added to the Asperger's article? I'd say this needs to be added somewhere, in either article. Thank you. --Let Us Update Special:Ancientpages. 13:59, 28 May 2008 (UTC)
- I'd say so. Perhaps in both articles, as long as their are sources i think it's relevant.Sanitycult (talk) 05:51, 4 June 2008 (UTC)
Examples
[edit]It can be argued, strongly, that all comedians use comic timing. Is it really necessary to highlight six or seven? Mykll42 (talk) 22:59, 30 June 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. Every sitcom, comedian and movie relies on comic timing. Specific examples are unnecessary. Also, it seems rather inappropriate to include one dirty joke (Margaret Cho's) on a page where that kind of language really wouldn't be expected. I'm no prude, but I just don't see the point of it.24.235.156.135 (talk) 00:48, 10 October 2009 (UTC)
Remove Farce
[edit]Farce is indeed a kind of comedy, but it is not specifically based on timing any more than other genres. The basis of farce is exaggeration: dialogues and motion happen at excess speed. This is the mechanism that makes it funny, not the timing of it.
194.78.35.195 (talk) 08:56, 26 July 2010 (UTC) 194.78.35.195 (talk) 08:56, 26 July 2010 (UTC)
Requested move 22 March 2017
[edit]- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
The result of the move request was: not moved. (non-admin closure) TonyBallioni (talk) 05:28, 31 March 2017 (UTC)
Comic timing → Comedic timing – Google search returns ~500k results for "Comic timing" and ~1.7m for "Comedic timing" Shaded0 (talk) 17:50, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
- Then the dog said to the flea "I've got an itch and you...are the scratch", ba-dum-bum p.s. Support Randy Kryn 23:23, 22 March 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose. I'm not replicating those search results. "Comic timing" is far more common on Google Books (18.3k vs. (4.7k) and on Google News (36.7k vs. 14.4k).--Cúchullain t/c 21:20, 27 March 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose. Comedic is an esoteric term. Better to use the term most English speakers use and understand. Andrewa (talk) 00:14, 30 March 2017 (UTC)
- The above discussion is preserved as an archive of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page or in a move review. No further edits should be made to this section.
Some examples, at seeming random
[edit]This section is way too top heavy with OR for my taste, and as some people have voiced in earlier comments, it seems surprising to focus on particular comedians, when nearly every successful comedian relies on timing, though some comedians lampshade their pauses more than others. With Borges, some of the pauses are so overwrought they almost function as a character in the skit: Ministry of Silly Walks vs. Ministry of Silly Pauses. I would favour an entirely different approach to this article. — MaxEnt 07:46, 3 April 2018 (UTC)
Editing Project
[edit]Hey all! I'm going to be doing some comprehensive editing to the page as part of a project for a technical editing class. Namely, I plan to:
1. remove the farce section
- As a few editors have posted above, a farce is not inherently related to comic timing. Having it within the article might confuse users
2. Clean up examples
- As a few editors have posted above, pointing out a few users of comic timing undercuts the universality of comic timing. to remedy this, I plan to create a History section that examines comic timing generally. It will mention its usage by Shakespeare, Shaw, Beckett along with the examples given. This will emphasize comic timing as a tool of comedy in general rather than a tool used by specific comedians.
Let me know if you have an objections. Thanks! TWJohn (talk) 05:46, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
Hello all, Below is attached my sandbox with proposed changes implemented. I will be posting my changes on 06:00 17 March (UTC). Let me know between now and then if you have any objections or suggestions. Thank you! TWJohn (talk) 07:03, 11 March 2019 (UTC)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:TWJohn/sandbox_Draft_of_Comic_Timing_Page