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== H-5? ==
== H-5? ==

Wondering what the reference is for the R-5 being designated as H-5? The only H-5 I can find recorded is the [[Fairchild Hiller FH-1100|YOH-5]]. --04:07, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
Wondering what the reference is for the R-5 being designated as H-5? The only H-5 I can find recorded is the [[Fairchild Hiller FH-1100|YOH-5]]. --04:07, 1 January 2007 (UTC)




I too thought this was odd. H-5 is the british name, yet it was a american design, and mostly sold to the American military as the R-5 [[User:Larek|Larek]] ([[User talk:Larek|talk]]) 17:02, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
I too thought this was odd. <del>H-5 is the British name</del>, yet it was a American design, and mostly sold to the American military as the R-5 [[User:Larek|Larek]] ([[User talk:Larek|talk]]) 17:02, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
:Nothing to do with the British the H-5 was the American designation from 1948 onwards when all surviving R-5 aircraft were changed to H-5. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 17:07, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
::And I have reverted the move as clearly H-5 was the US designation which is all explained in the article, you will need to start a move request. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 17:12, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
:::Only after 1947, R-5 is the common name, example United States Army Aviation Museum calls theirs a R-5, and current hits on google 'Sikorsky "R-5"' is 311K where 'Sikorsky "H-5"'is less at 278k, that alone should justify the original name.[[User:Larek|Larek]] ([[User talk:Larek|talk]]) 17:34, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
::::As the move due to it being a British name has been challenged you still need to gain a consensus for a move. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 17:38, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
::::Just out of interest the United States Army Aviation Museum also has a H-5 [http://www.armyavnmuseum.org/museum/collection/rw2.html]. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 17:49, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
::::As the move due to it being a British name has been challenged you still need to gain a consensus for a move. [[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]] ([[User talk:MilborneOne|talk]]) 17:38, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
:::::Yes I admit to being wrong on the British bit, however I still think the move is justified, and as for consensus, isn't it currently 2 (me and '07) to 1 ([[User:MilborneOne|MilborneOne]])?
:::::And There is constancy, both the R-4 and R-6 are named R-# even though R-6's re later renamed H-6
:::::And The Museums listed call it a R-5 or the specific variant name like YR-5A or S-51, None on the list have a "H-6" on their wiki pages
:::::<del>And The Google count.... Which now says 810k for H-6 ???? </del> I now lose this point [[User:Larek|Larek]] ([[User talk:Larek|talk]]) 18:11, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
::::::You are correct on the United States Army Aviation Museum, good catch [[User:Larek|Larek]] ([[User talk:Larek|talk]]) 18:11, 20 January 2012 (UTC)
*'''Keep''' at H-5; the R-4 and R-6 are at R-4 and R-6 because both models primarily served in the 'R'-designated period before 1948, whereas the R-5/H-5 is best known for its [[Korean War]] service, at which time it was H- designated. - [[User:The Bushranger|The Bushranger]] <sub>[[User talk:The Bushranger|<span style="color:maroon;">One ping only</span>]]</sub> 23:47, 20 January 2012 (UTC)

::IIRC, the 'R' originally stood for 'rotary' winged as the helicopter had not been around long enough to warrant a separate category at the time. Previous 'R' aircraft had been [[autogyro]]s such as the [[Kellett KD-1]]. Later the 'H' helicopter category was introduced, at which point the designations were changed for helicopter types already in existence. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/80.7.147.13|80.7.147.13]] ([[User talk:80.7.147.13|talk]]) 09:37, 20 September 2013 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

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[[User:Born2flie|Born2flie]]: It was assessed as Start already, I just get tired of the tall class indications when there are no comments. --04:09, 1 January 2007 (UTC)
:I don't know if I'd rate this High-importance. What is the reason for this rating? - [[User:Trevor MacInnis|Trevor]] [[User talk:Trevor MacInnis|MacInnis]] <small>([[Special:Contributions/Trevor MacInnis|Contribs]])</small> 22:09, 1 January 2007 (UTC)}}
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== Needs clearer distinction of original S-48 models from later S-51 models. ==

The original versions of the R-5, including the YR-5A, R-5A, R-5D, and HO2S-1, all came from Sikorsky's S-48 model, while the later S-51 model was the basis for the H-5F, H-5G, H-5H, and HO3S-1. There are distinct differences between these two models, the most obvious of which is the landing gear configuration: two forward wheels and a tail wheel on the S-48 models (with a small nose wheel added to the R-5D) versus two rear wheels and a nose wheel on the S-51 models. The window layout is also distinctly different between the two models. You can see the difference if you compare the infobox picture (a YR-5A at the USAF museum) with the other pictures in the article. I'll try to make the distinction a bit clearer in the article. --[[User:Colin Douglas Howell|Colin Douglas Howell]] ([[User talk:Colin Douglas Howell|talk]]) 19:27, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
:OK, I think I've managed to better distinguish the S-48 versions from the S-51 versions. --[[User:Colin Douglas Howell|Colin Douglas Howell]] ([[User talk:Colin Douglas Howell|talk]]) 08:52, 27 July 2016 (UTC)

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== Carry me ==
Okay, the H-5 had greater payload capacity than the [[Sikorsky R-4|R-4]]. What was it? Since neither this page, nor the R-4 page, ''ever mentions it for either of them''. [[User:Trekphiler|<span style="font-family: cursive; color: #1DACD6;">TREKphiler</span>]] [[User talk:Trekphiler|<sup style="font-family: cursive; color: #880085;">any time you're ready, Uhura</sup>]] 02:55, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
: ''Jane's All the World's Aircraft 1951/52'' gives a "disposable load" of 1505 lb for an S-51 with composite, 58 ft diameter rotor blades, or 1695 lb with all metal blades (59 foot diameter) - the empty and loaded weights don't quite line up with those currently quoted in the specifications, although the 58 ft rotor diameter suggests composite blades.[[User:Nigel Ish|Nigel Ish]] ([[User talk:Nigel Ish|talk]]) 11:00, 12 January 2019 (UTC)
::Thx. That looks like fuel, stores, & all. Polmar's ''Military Helicopters of the World'' (my go-to, because I have it ;p ) doesn't say anything... :( [[User:Trekphiler|<span style="font-family: cursive; color: #1DACD6;">TREKphiler</span>]] [[User talk:Trekphiler|<sup style="font-family: cursive; color: #880085;">any time you're ready, Uhura</sup>]] 17:16, 12 January 2019 (UTC)

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H-5?

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Wondering what the reference is for the R-5 being designated as H-5? The only H-5 I can find recorded is the YOH-5. --04:07, 1 January 2007 (UTC)


I too thought this was odd. H-5 is the British name, yet it was a American design, and mostly sold to the American military as the R-5 Larek (talk) 17:02, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nothing to do with the British the H-5 was the American designation from 1948 onwards when all surviving R-5 aircraft were changed to H-5. MilborneOne (talk) 17:07, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
And I have reverted the move as clearly H-5 was the US designation which is all explained in the article, you will need to start a move request. MilborneOne (talk) 17:12, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Only after 1947, R-5 is the common name, example United States Army Aviation Museum calls theirs a R-5, and current hits on google 'Sikorsky "R-5"' is 311K where 'Sikorsky "H-5"'is less at 278k, that alone should justify the original name.Larek (talk) 17:34, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
As the move due to it being a British name has been challenged you still need to gain a consensus for a move. MilborneOne (talk) 17:38, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Just out of interest the United States Army Aviation Museum also has a H-5 [1]. MilborneOne (talk) 17:49, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
As the move due to it being a British name has been challenged you still need to gain a consensus for a move. MilborneOne (talk) 17:38, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yes I admit to being wrong on the British bit, however I still think the move is justified, and as for consensus, isn't it currently 2 (me and '07) to 1 (MilborneOne)?
And There is constancy, both the R-4 and R-6 are named R-# even though R-6's re later renamed H-6
And The Museums listed call it a R-5 or the specific variant name like YR-5A or S-51, None on the list have a "H-6" on their wiki pages
And The Google count.... Which now says 810k for H-6 ???? I now lose this point Larek (talk) 18:11, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
You are correct on the United States Army Aviation Museum, good catch Larek (talk) 18:11, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
IIRC, the 'R' originally stood for 'rotary' winged as the helicopter had not been around long enough to warrant a separate category at the time. Previous 'R' aircraft had been autogyros such as the Kellett KD-1. Later the 'H' helicopter category was introduced, at which point the designations were changed for helicopter types already in existence. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.7.147.13 (talk) 09:37, 20 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Assessment comment

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Born2flie: It was assessed as Start already, I just get tired of the tall class indications when there are no comments. --04:09, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know if I'd rate this High-importance. What is the reason for this rating? - Trevor MacInnis (Contribs) 22:09, 1 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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Needs clearer distinction of original S-48 models from later S-51 models.

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The original versions of the R-5, including the YR-5A, R-5A, R-5D, and HO2S-1, all came from Sikorsky's S-48 model, while the later S-51 model was the basis for the H-5F, H-5G, H-5H, and HO3S-1. There are distinct differences between these two models, the most obvious of which is the landing gear configuration: two forward wheels and a tail wheel on the S-48 models (with a small nose wheel added to the R-5D) versus two rear wheels and a nose wheel on the S-51 models. The window layout is also distinctly different between the two models. You can see the difference if you compare the infobox picture (a YR-5A at the USAF museum) with the other pictures in the article. I'll try to make the distinction a bit clearer in the article. --Colin Douglas Howell (talk) 19:27, 26 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Carry me

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Okay, the H-5 had greater payload capacity than the R-4. What was it? Since neither this page, nor the R-4 page, ever mentions it for either of them. TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 02:55, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Jane's All the World's Aircraft 1951/52 gives a "disposable load" of 1505 lb for an S-51 with composite, 58 ft diameter rotor blades, or 1695 lb with all metal blades (59 foot diameter) - the empty and loaded weights don't quite line up with those currently quoted in the specifications, although the 58 ft rotor diameter suggests composite blades.Nigel Ish (talk) 11:00, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thx. That looks like fuel, stores, & all. Polmar's Military Helicopters of the World (my go-to, because I have it ;p ) doesn't say anything... :( TREKphiler any time you're ready, Uhura 17:16, 12 January 2019 (UTC)[reply]