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On 19 March 2007 at 15:48 an entry is shown under your name in the history log. You have expressed concern that the "Lean Construction" article on wikipedia does not satisfy the notability guideline or one of the following guidelines for inclusion on Wikipedia: Biographies, Books, Companies, Fiction, Music, Neologisms, Numbers, Web content, or several proposals for new guidelines.
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The Lean Construction research and practitioner community has been working on this topic since 1992 or so. There are numerous publications, in peer-reviewed journals and technical magazines, regarding this topic. The philosophy of Lean Construction is similar, but not identical, to the Toyota Production System, which has a wikipedia entry.

If your concern is with the companies we have listed, this has been only done to establish the widespread adoption of the principles and practice of Lean Construction. This is not meant as an advertisement for the companies. Please indicate whether this is still your concern ([[User:Tabdelhamid|Tabdelhamid]] 11:02, 20 March 2007 (UTC))
:Ok, I am not concerned anymore. [[User:Colchicum|Colchicum]] 13:44, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

:Would you remove the note about the notability guideline concern?[[User:Tabdelhamid|Tabdelhamid]] 15:22, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

: Veinor, Are your concerns about Wikifying satisfied? [[User:Tabdelhamid|Tabdelhamid]] 18:33, 20 March 2007 (UTC)

Is there a reason why the '4-hour house' is excluded from this page ? [[User:Facius|Facius]] 12:45, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

:Facius, if this is a wikipedia reference we can add it. The 4-hour house primarly embodies the lean maxim of off-site fabrication and JIT to facilitate site work flow.[[User:Tabdelhamid|Tabdelhamid]] 21:22, 28 March 2007 (UTC)

I have added the categories that Lean Construction should be under. I removed the warning regarding lack of categorization[[User:Tabdelhamid|Tabdelhamid]] 02:36, 4 June 2007 (UTC)

:Korny, I am not sure why you made the changes you did. The information contained on the page is necessary because it reflects the evolving and growing nature of Lean Construction. You are welcome to join the Lean Construction community next year for our conference in Salford, Britan. Visit iglc.net to learn more.
[[User:Tabdelhamid|Tabdelhamid]] <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|comment]] was added at 19:24, 18 October 2007 (UTC)</small><!--Template:Undated--> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Re-inserting my changes ==

I'm re-inserting the changes I made, that were reverted by the author and main editor of this page. I contend my changes are valid for the following reasons:
* "lean construction" is not a proper noun phrase, so it should be lowercased.
* saying it's part of a "scientific revolution" is an uncited opinion, and thus [[WP:OR|original research]].
* the "potpourri of definitions" section is non-encyclopedic, and adds very little information to the article.
* the long list of links to companies at the end constitutes [[WP:LINKSPAM|linkspam]].

[[User:Korny O'Near|Korny O&#39;Near]] 19:35, 18 October 2007 (UTC)

== Welcome to the Lean Construction Seminar ==

I have not edited the article page in any way, but I feel it is appropriate to raise a general concern about this article.

If the aim of Wikipedia is to be an online encyclopaedia resource, then I feel this article falls some way short of that aim.

This reads to me very much in the fashion of a brochure or note-pack that would accompany a Lean Construction Seminar, and is therefore a wholly biased article submitted by a proponent of the subject.

Whilst perhaps we should thank Mr. Abdelhamid for presenting this to readers "free of charge", it is, in my opinion, not suitable as an article in its current form.

Surely it should, at least, be limited to relevant facts, and at the VERY least, the FAQ section should be removed.

I have neither the skill or knowledge to suggest how a re-write of the article should appear, but if the subject, instead of being "Lean Construction" was "House" or "France" then the article would not be written in the same style.

I accept that lean construction is a concept rather than an object, but rigorous standards should equally apply.

[[Special:Contributions/195.38.93.206|195.38.93.206]] ([[User talk:195.38.93.206|talk]]) 13:19, 2 September 2009 (UTC)

== Tagged FAQ ==

In my opinion, the FAQ section is not at all encyclopedic in nature. It may contain useful information, that is beyond my ability to discern. I have therefore applied two tags to it. April 16th, 2010.

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== Cleanup Notice ==
([[User:Tabdelhamid|Tabdelhamid]]
The following comment was removed on Jan 1, 2011:
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I removed this because there was no clear pointers as to how to address any inconsistency with Wikipedia's rules. The information on the page is representative of the current understanding we have about Lean Construction - as researched and practiced. ([[User:Tabdelhamid|Tabdelhamid]]

:I would argue that simply linking the citations to the footnotes in proper Wikipedia fashion would go a long way toward cleanup. It looks like a pasted in term paper. [[Special:Contributions/69.67.193.51|69.67.193.51]] ([[User talk:69.67.193.51|talk]]) 22:04, 15 November 2011 (UTC)

:: There are serious [[WP:COI|COI]], [[WP:NOTHOWTO|how to]] and potentially [[WP:copyright|copyright]] issues throughout the article. Much of it reads like [[WP:original|original research]], is [[wp:NOTESSAY|essay like]] and frankly feels like an [[WP:advert|advertising pamphlet]]. All of which leaves it open to question in relation to [[WP:standards|Wikipedia standards]]. There are flashes of good, encyclopedic information in there worth keeping, but would end up with nothing more than a [[WP:stub|stub article]] as it stands at the moment. It requires editors who are serious in maintaining the article to rewrite from a more [[WP:POV|neutral POV]], avoid [[WP:weasel|weasel words]], and eliminate the potential copyright issues. Immediate removal of two sections: [[Lean construction#Last Planner System®|Last Planner System®]] and [[Lean construction#Lean Construction FAQs|Lean Construction FAQs]] would go a long way toward cleanup. In the meantime, I am reinstating the cleanup template, which was originally place in September 2007 [http://en.wikipedia.org/enwiki/w/index.php?title=Lean_construction&oldid=159806645 (here]), with little achieved in the interim to address the concerns both implied by the inclusion of the template, and stated explicitly on this talk page. --[[User:Haruth|Haruth]] ([[User talk:Haruth|talk]]) 05:12, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

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