Talk:UEFA Euro 2012 Group C

Spain vs. Italy starting lineups

There are some errors in the Italian team line-up: as I have edited in the text version, Giaccherini and Chiellini played on the left side, while Bonucci and Maggio played on the right one. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Brunoliegibastonliegi (talk • contribs) 19:13, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

The image went after the uefa.com reference which should be used mainly. Kante4 (talk) 19:22, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

But uefa.com site also states that "Emanuele Giaccherini made his international debut at left wing-back" http://www.uefa.com/uefaeuro/season=2012/statistics/castroledge/analysis/newsid=1814072.html Brunoliegibastonliegi (talk —Preceding undated comment added 23:12, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

I don't know for why or what purpose but someone is intent on printing the wrong information regarding the Italian football team's formation, for the benefit of those who want the correct formation....

..............................Buffon.............................

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.............................De Rossi............................

...............Bonucci.....................Chielini..............

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.Maggio..............................................Giaccherini.

..........Marchisio...........Pirlo...........T.Motta............

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................Cassano................Balotelli.................

Hopefully when the group stages are over someone will correct this idiotic and extremely childish editing.--The Mercenary 73 (talk) 18:53, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

UEFA.com MatchCentre listed Giaccherini as LM and Chiellini as LB. These sources: UEFA.com article, Yahoo! Eurosport article and ESPN article also listed Giaccherini as left wing-back. It's ridiculous that only one reference can be used, which is the incorrect UEFA.com Tactical Lineups PDF. I don't see any rule that prohibit the use of other references for the lineups. I believe wikipedia accepts multiple references from independent and reliable sources to support a statement. Surely this satisfies WP:VERIFY and these sources qualify as WP:RELIABLESOURCES. This kind of obvious misinformation will have detrimental effect on the reliability of wikipedia. My attempt to correct this has been quickly reverted with no reason and no attempt to discuss the issue. Now if somebody kind enough to correct the formation and the image based on these references, that would be very nice. Thanks. — 125.161.247.198 (talk) 05:08, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Original research

Next match day scenarios are not referenced and are a violation of WP:NOR. Dr. Vicodine (talk) 21:20, 10 June 2012 (UTC)

See the talkpages of group A and of group B to see general consensus for using scenarios Jack Bornholm (talk) 20:52, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

A general discussion about this take place on: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Football#Next match day scenarios. My guess is that the consensus made there would count in all football pages so go there and say your piece. Jack Bornholm (talk) 20:57, 12 June 2012 (UTC)

Mandžukić

uefa.com has Mandžukić with 2 goals listed so no own goal by Given, maybe they change it later on but for now leave it like it is. Kante4 (talk) 11:40, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Logos on Spanish kits

The logos are copyrighted and should be removed. --Walter Görlitz (talk) 07:05, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Scenario after the second round

All scenarios except 5-5-5-0 do not involve a three-way tiebreaker, so I only explain the 5-5-5-0 situation below.

If Spain draw with Croatia and Italy defeat the Republic of Ireland, then Spain, Croatia, and Italy will have 5 points each. Among themselves, these 5-point teams will have zero goal difference and 2 points apiece from the two draws. The scenario thus defaults to the third tie-breaker: higher number of goals scored in the matches played between the teams in question.

If Spain and Croatia draw with 2 or more goals each, then they both advance, beating Italy by having 3 or more goals each versus Italy's 2 (one from each of its draws against Spain and Croatia).

If Spain-Croatia ends 0-0, then Italy wins the group based on its 2-goal total from the draws, while Spain and Croatia tie with 1 goal each. The fourth tie-breaker reapplies the second and third tie-breakers between Spain and Croatia, but they are still tied with one point and zero goal difference in matches among themselves (the 0-0 draw). The fifth tiebreaker, goal difference in all group matches, allows Spain to advance behind Italy, as it would beat Croatia 4 to 2 in that category.

If Spain-Croatia ends 1–1, the three teams will be tied all the way down until the fifth rule, goal difference in all group matches. Because they are already tied in goal difference amongst themselves, advancement essentially rests upon which two teams achieved the better goal difference against the Republic of Ireland. Spain has a GD of 4, while Croatia has 2. Thus, given a 1-1 draw between Spain and Croatia,

• If Italy beats Ireland by more than 4 goals, it wins the group, while Spain advances in second place.
• If Italy beats Ireland by 4 goals, it ties with Spain in both goal difference and total goals scored (fifth and sixth tie-breaking criteria, respectively). Spain wins the group based on the eighth tie-breaker, the UEFA national team coefficient rankings. Italy advances in second place.
• If Italy beats Ireland by 3 goals, it advances in second place over Croatia's 2-goal difference.
• If Italy beats Ireland 2-0, it ties Croatia in goal difference but is eliminated based on the sixth tie-breaker: total number of goals scored in the group (Croatia will have 5 to Italy's 4).
• If Italy beats Ireland by 2 goals AND scores more than 2 goals (e.g. 3-1), it ties Croatia in both goal difference and total goals scored. It advances in second place over Croatia based on the eighth tie-breaker, the UEFA national team coefficient ranking. Ckhandy (talk) 20:42, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

Nearly correct, except for the last part. I believe Croatia is ahead of Italy in the UEFA rankings. Croatia is in 5th place and Italy is in 8th place. That would make a 1-1 draw between Spain and Croatia have Croatia advance in accordance with the ranking coefficient assuming Italy beats Ireland 3-1. crewcamel (talk) 23:42, 15 June 2012 (UTC)

Italy's chances -- ambiguous?

This sentence looks ambiguous to me: Italy will advance to the quarter-finals if... they defeat Republic of Ireland by two or more goals, except for a score of 2–0 and the Spain–Croatia match ending 1–1.

Is the Spain-Croatia 1-1 scenario in addition to the Italy-Ireland 2-0 scenario (i.e. they are both "excepts"), or is it part of the scenario where Italy beat Ireland by two or more goals? In other words, is a Spain-Croatia 1-1 scenario good or bad for Italy?

Maybe it could be reworded as one of the following:

• Italy defeat Ireland by two or more goals (except for a score of 2-0) and Spain-Croatia tie 1-1.
• Italy defeat Ireland by two or more goals, except for a score of 2-0 accompanied by a Spain-Croatia tie of 1-1.

... discospinster _talk 21:28, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

If Spain and Croatia tie 1-1, and Italy defeats Ireland 3-1, I see that Spain would qualify due to its overall goal difference, while Italy and Croatia would be tied in all respects up to country co-efficient. Wouldn't Italy qualify at that point? Juve2000 (talk) 22:42, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

I have correct everything and spit that between when a team win the group and when they finish second--Stigni (talk) 23:42, 14 June 2012 (UTC)

It is probably easier to understand this way: "If Croatia-Spain draw 1-1 AND if Italy wins by at least 4, scoring at least 5 goals, Italy; Spain / OR if Italy wins by at least 2, scoring at least 3 goals, Spain; Italy / otherwise Spain; Croatia". There is no point in referring ta a goal difference of 3. Rickwodz (talk) 03:29, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

Assumption.

The table is assuming that Ireland can't win by at least seven goals.

Yes, it's unlikely, but it's not impossible. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 109.158.190.130 (talk) 12:55, 16 June 2012 (UTC)

They still won't qualify. Assuming Ireland win 7-0, Ireland will be in 3rd place with 3 points, but Spain and Croatia already have 4. - filelakeshoe 11:50, 17 June 2012 (UTC)

Color-coded table

I added the color-coded table before the standings table (which appears on the main UEFA Euro 2012 page), and it was removed. I put it back, and it should remain since it is necessary to read the standings table below it. Dar5995 (talk) 21:04, 18 June 2012 (UTC)

Minus sign vs. other dash

I made an edit to correct the dashes to minus signs in the standings for goal difference, and it was removed twice. This should be put back, because in accordance with Wikipedia's style, "& minus;" (without a space in between the "&" and "minus;") is the correct script for a minus sign. Dar5995 (talk) 21:25, 18 June 2012 (UTC)