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Original research being re-added to the article

A few weeks ago, 207.108.250.158 (talk · contribs) was blocked for edit warring over the insertion of POV content that relied heavily upon original research and synthesis of sources to attempt to support the biased content. Today, 81.183.101.42 (talk · contribs) appears to be restoring the same content to the article. Some of the claims in the addition do appear to be appropriately sourced; the primary problem is that the additions attempt to synthesize/extrapolate from the data in the sources to attempt to imply a broader issue than is actually supported by the sources provided, and to suggest conclusions that are not states or directly supported by the sources. --- Barek (talk • contribs) - 15:27, 29 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Neutrality

"This article has serious POV problems. The Gypsy point of view completely predominates, slanted language is used - especially the Hungarian discrimination and Romani exodus section, the point of view of Hungarians is not taken seriously" , "it would be best if someone with more knowledge tried to fix some of these problems" written by Kostja in the talk page of Roma in Hungary article. I absolutely agree with these statements. It's true in this talk page also.--Rovibroni (talk) 18:09, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

"academic researchers and members of the mainstream press disregard" Who? There are two weasel-words in this sentence.--Rovibroni (talk) 18:29, 11 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Just to be clear, there is no one "Gypsy point of view," nor is there one "Hungarian point of view:" such an assumption is racist and insulting. It is especially insulting to the many non-Roma Hungarians who oppose discrimination against the Roma.-Darouet (talk) 21:21, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Or insulting to Hungarian villagers by the Gypsies. Darouet, try to edit without emotions. --Norden1990 (talk) 21:45, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In this case I agree with you: to assume that there is one "gypsy" and one "Hungarian" viewpoint could also be insulting to Hungarian villagers. -Darouet (talk) 22:24, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

We can't have insults to 'Hungarian villagers', or any other villagers. What insults are the problem here? RashersTierney (talk) 23:03, 29 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Duplication

I'm not sure this article is necessary as a separate article at all, as it seems to be almost identical to a section of the Roma in Hungary article that links to it. 93.96.236.8 (talk) 10:25, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Schooling rate

Really poor article. It should be deleted altogether. For one thing, it's absolute nonsense that high school drop-out rates or low enrolling rates necessarily mean discrimination against the Roma. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.194.167.167 (talk • contribs) 18:38, 29 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

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-It's absolutely unnecessary. It isn't dicrimination, it's experience. Why don't you make an article about 'Slovak discrimination against Roma people' or 'Romanian discrimination against Roma people' etc.? [[User:Rovibroni|Rovibroni]]
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+== Original research being re-added to the article ==
+A few weeks ago, {{user|207.108.250.158}} was blocked for edit warring over the insertion of [[WP:NPOV|POV]] content that relied heavily upon [[WP:NOR|original research]] and synthesis of sources to attempt to support the biased content.  Today, {{user|81.183.101.42}} appears to be restoring the same content to the article.  Some of the claims in the addition do appear to be appropriately sourced; the primary problem is that the additions attempt to synthesize/extrapolate from the data in the sources to attempt to imply a broader issue than is actually supported by the sources provided, and to suggest conclusions that are not states or directly supported by the sources. --- [[User:Barek|Barek]] <small>([[User talk:Barek|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Barek|contribs]])</small> - 15:27, 29 May 2009 (UTC)
-This article breaches the regulations regarding POV, by its title to start with. Please either rewrite or mark for deletion.
+== Neutrality ==
+"This article has serious POV problems. The Gypsy point of view completely predominates, slanted language is used - especially the Hungarian discrimination and Romani exodus section, the point of view of Hungarians is not taken seriously" , "it would be best if someone with more knowledge tried to fix some of these problems" written by Kostja in the talk page of [[Roma in Hungary]] article. I absolutely agree with these statements. It's true in this talk page also.--[[User:Rovibroni|Rovibroni]] ([[User talk:Rovibroni|talk]]) 18:09, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
+"academic researchers and members of the mainstream press disregard" Who? There are two weasel-words in this sentence.--[[User:Rovibroni|Rovibroni]] ([[User talk:Rovibroni|talk]]) 18:29, 11 June 2010 (UTC)
+:Just to be clear, there is no one "Gypsy point of view," nor is there one "Hungarian point of view:" such an assumption is racist and insulting. It is especially insulting to the many non-Roma Hungarians who oppose discrimination against the Roma.-[[User:Darouet|Darouet]] ([[User talk:Darouet|talk]]) 21:21, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
+::Or insulting to Hungarian villagers by the Gypsies. Darouet, try to edit without emotions. --[[User:Norden1990|Norden1990]] ([[User talk:Norden1990|talk]]) 21:45, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
+:::In this case I agree with you: to assume that there is one "gypsy" and one "Hungarian" viewpoint could also be insulting to Hungarian villagers. -[[User:Darouet|Darouet]] ([[User talk:Darouet|talk]]) 22:24, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
+::::We can't have insults to 'Hungarian villagers', or any other villagers. What insults are the problem here? [[User:RashersTierney|RashersTierney]] ([[User talk:RashersTierney|talk]]) 23:03, 29 April 2013 (UTC)
+==Duplication==
+I'm not sure this article is necessary as a separate article at all, as it seems to be almost identical to a section of the [[Roma in Hungary]] article that links to it. [[Special:Contributions/93.96.236.8|93.96.236.8]] ([[User talk:93.96.236.8|talk]]) 10:25, 5 August 2010 (UTC)
+==Schooling rate==
+Really poor article. It should be deleted altogether.  For one thing, it's absolute nonsense that high school drop-out rates or low enrolling rates necessarily mean discrimination against the Roma. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:87.194.167.167|87.194.167.167]] ([[User talk:87.194.167.167|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/87.194.167.167|contribs]]) 18:38, 29 March 2011 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->