Talk:Tetsuya Ishida

More information?

Nothing more is known about this artist in English? 71.53.24.224 (talk) 05:34, 11 June 2010 (UTC)ADVENT

Ishida's Wiki page

I took and rewrote the chosen bits from Wikipedia JP and online articles. There are some parts that need rephrased or clarified, particularly in the Art section. My grammatical errors are everywhere and I would appreciate assistance in clearing them up. Thank you. 0zero9nine (talk) 00:51, 12 June 2011 (UTC)

Good work! I applaud you for your addition to this article! --SweetNightmares (awaken) 19:50, 19 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you. I feel the details of auctions should have a section of its own because it's cluttering up the introduction section in an ugly way. Is this possible? Thank you. 0zero9nine (talk) 14:50, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

I've created an accomplishments section and moved that info there, as well as mention of his medal of honor. Is this appropriate?--SweetNightmares (awaken) 19:02, 27 July 2011 (UTC)

Translation

Hi, I'm proofreading and the translation of this page section by section. I've noted some things which don't appear in the Japanese page and are unsourced. I'll mark them and remove them after one month if they don't get referenced. (One month sounds reasonable)

I'll also list them here. M miyama (talk) 15:30, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

1. Manner of death M miyama (talk) 15:49, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
2. Dimensions of the painting: "Untitled 2001"M miyama (talk) 15:49, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
3. 2008 Christies auction M miyama (talk) 15:49, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
4. Numbers don't add up for a 1993 high school graduation. He was born in 1973, which sets hum up to graduate in march 1992. Universities are also four years in Japan(two years for advanced diplomas) which makes it highly likely this year should bee 1992. M miyama (talk) 16:17, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
5. Japanese translation makes no mention of him being pressured by his principal, nor mention of a possible career teaching or as a chemist. It does however talk about the pressure he faced from his parents to go to an academic highschool as opposed to an arts high school. M miyama (talk) 16:17, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
6. Comment on parents and financial support in university is absent in the Japanese version M miyama (talk) 16:20, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
7. The place of death does not appear in Japanese version M miyama (talk) 16:43, 24 June 2011 (UTC)
8. News reports do not appear in Japanese version M miyama (talk) 16:43, 24 June 2011 (UTC)

Will continue with "Art" section at another time.

Thank you for cross-checking it. I have also added a request to expand references for this article. --SweetNightmares (awaken) 16:18, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

I found a timeline on his official website, but it's in Japanese and we're supposed to use English sources (see WP:NONENG). However, it states that in 1991 he "become a senior in high school," so it appears you are correct. I have added this citation. --SweetNightmares (awaken) 16:47, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

Could we perhaps find his obituary? I've run a machine translated web search using "石田徹也" "死亡記事," but all it turned up was Twitter and a bunch of blogs. --SweetNightmares (awaken) 16:59, 25 June 2011 (UTC)

How do I make citations? Are the URLs to online videos of his interviews and local news reports acceptable?

Dimensions of the painting - obtained from the 2008 auction in which the painting was listed as lot 511 http://www.christies.com/LotFinder/lot_details.aspx?intObjectID=5154624 This should also reference the 2008 auction mention.

His comments about his parents were taken from televised interviews. I can't offer a citation for this because I don't know how to, let alone whether it's allowed because all videos are in Japanese. It's well known, though, because of critics' speculations whether it influenced his art works. Even some reviewers acknowledged the awkward relationship between him and his parents in their reviews of Tetsuya Ishida: Posthumous Works (Kyuryudo Art Publishing Co.) (Edited: the title is 石田徹也遺作集, should you want to check it yourself.) I believe even Wikipedia JP acknowledges it. His father rejected Ishida's art works until some years later when he and the mother accepted it, even though they still didn't "get it". Having said that, I understand "It's well known" is not good enough as it appears speculative. I'll try to track down an English-language source.

The circumstances of his death. Again, I'll try to track down an English-language source as the only ones I could find are in Japanese and Chinese. Thank you. 0zero9nine (talk) 14:43, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

P.S. Thank you for correcting the year of his school graduation. It was a gross mistake on my part. My apologies and my thanks. 0zero9nine (talk) 14:49, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry for cluttering this place up, but I found another source in English that has the details of his death: "He died in 2005 after being struck by a train at a pedestrian crossing." Source: AAAA (Asian Art Auction Alliance) Contemporary Auction, issue May 28 2010 7PM Hong Kong http://issuu.com/shinwa-art/docs/contemporarymainall2 Unfortunately, you need to sign up at Issuu to read this issue. However, I feel AAAA's portrayal of his death is the better version than my own because it's easily provable in English so I recommend using the AAAA version. I'm also grateful to AAAA for providing some other details I need for this -- it states that NHK televised a memorial exhibition, which received a huge response and this prompted NHK to create a special programme five months later and rebroadcast a couple of years later. This is the programme I saw. I hope this helps. Thank you. 0zero9nine (talk) 15:13, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Regarding citations, usually I just use Wikipedia:Citation templates. Scroll down to the appropriate type, and add/delete categories as necessary. For example, on the citation I added for his graduation date, I scrolled down to the website templates, copy/pasted it into the article, and filled out the information--I deleted "last" and "first" (this of course refers to the author name) since that's irrelevant here, and added "language = Japanese." You can read more about Wikipedia citation policy at WP:REF. WP:SOURCE has information about what is and isn't an acceptable source of information (hearsay is definitely out). I'd say for now that Japanese language media--televised or otherwise--would be acceptable as long as other bilingual Wikipedians can confirm it. Issuu probably wouldn't be an acceptable source per WP:SOURCEACCESS. NHK news reports, on the other hand, would be welcome. --SweetNightmares (awaken) 15:47, 28 June 2011 (UTC)

Refrencing plan B: We could edit the Japanese page, refrence it, then quote it on the English page. It gives a wider audience of Japanese speakers a better chance to critique the reliability of the Japansese language sources. I read somewhere that Wikipedia has procedures for quoting other language versions of the same article.M miyama (talk) 07:55, 29 June 2011 (UTC)

Late addition 2.5 - Are there any resources on the 2006 auction?M miyama (talk) 10:01, 29 June 2011 (UTC)Was on japanese page... M miyama (talk)

Fixed 1, 2 and 3. M miyama (talk) Created section for footnotes quoting non-english resources as prescribed in wikipedia's guidelines. Not sure if the title is fitting though.M miyama (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 11:17, 29 June 2011 (UTC).

I've removed the template that refers to this article as a rough translation, as I believe it looks pretty good now. When I first came to this article, there was a pitiful paragraph's worth of information. Now, it looks to be on par with the Japanese article (or even better!). Great work everyone! --SweetNightmares (awaken) 19:15, 27 July 2011 (UTC)