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Sorry, but this needs major work on neutrality ("''He is a multi dimensional personality excelling in all the fields he has set his foot in''") and all of it needs sourcing - the imranseries.com website doesn't work. [[User:Tearlach|Tearlach]] 16:06, 10 May 2007 (UTC |
Sorry, but this needs major work on neutrality ("''He is a multi dimensional personality excelling in all the fields he has set his foot in''") and all of it needs sourcing - the imranseries.com website doesn't work. [[User:Tearlach|Tearlach]] 16:06, 10 May 2007 (UTC |
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: I've given this a copy edit and removed the most obvious POV material and original research. I would also suggest that any remarks about the originality of this writer's work must be attributed to absolutely cast-iron impartial third-party sources since the body of the article says that he has plagiarized both [[Ibn-e-Safi]] and [[Edgar Rice Burroughs]]. [[User:Accounting4Taste|Accounting4Taste]] 17:26, 18 June 2007 (UTC) |
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This is absurd. No where in his novel he has plagiarized Safi nor he has ever used Edgar Rice ideas. Please quote if you have some critique. |
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We can remove the line and the neutrality should be restored. There is nothing exaggerated in the article that it should be disputed in neutrality.[[User:Farhansk|Farhansk]] 17:05, 3 August 2007 (UTC) |
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==Extremely Exaggerated== |
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Living nearly all my life in Pakistan, I have read many of Kaleem's books. Yes, the guy has created a lot of pseudo-original characters AND wrote a lot about the "Imran" character borrowed from Ibn-e-Safi, but quite frankly quantity does not necessarily equate quality. |
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First of all, his rendition of "Imran" is a pompous, self-righteous, racist, uber-nationalist Ronald McDonald on steroids, who is a perpetual virgin (because married people aren't apparently cool enough to be mega-spies and because anything outside of wedlock would be a great "sin" *yawn*) is only directly answerable to the president of the country, has an unlimited budget AND a license to kill, can apparently ALWAYS dodge bullets, has retractable razors in his fingernails and has been known to jump off a flying plane from a height of hundreds of feet without a parachute (he apparently starts doing gymnast flips as soon as he hits the ground, which, in the writer's opinion, would cancel out inertia..., Newton would be so happy) who's dialogue, when not spouting paranoid right wing propaganda against India, Russia and the west, usually consists of PG-13 innuendoes targeting all the available female characters and random, poorly constructed personal insults towards everyone else, especially his African bodyguard (Joseph), who's regularly taunted for having a dark complexion (Imran calls him "Kalia", as in "blacky".) The storyline is usually a very predictable, b-movie affair, based on hackneyed plot devices further weakened by multiple "dei ex machinis" that miraculously come into play whenever the protagonist is in a tight spot, and then topping it all off nicely with an absurdly stereotypical bad guy, who, |
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- Is always drinking large quantities of alcohol, because according to Islam that is a sure-fire sign of a "bad person".</sarcasm> |
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- Frequently seems to get a shot at sexually molesting the classic damsel-in-distress heroine but NEVER succeeds beyond tearing off half her cloths; thanks, in equal parts to censorship induced by social taboos and of course the mighty hero himself. |
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- Is ridiculously loud, obnoxious and cocky. |
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- Is frequently derogatory towards what Mr. Kaleem considers as 'popular beliefs'. |
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And the so-called science this man speaks of isn't really science, it's not even fiction for even that would have to be at least somewhat believable. His "science" usually ranges from illogical to downright absurd, which sadly is a theme universally prevalent in his works. |
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<Rant> The Urdu language has a rich literary heritage, with great names like Mirza Ghalib, Allama Muhammad Iqbal, Ibn-e-Insha, Ahmed Faraaz, Faiz Ahmed Faiz, Meer Taqi Meer, Saadat Hassan Munto, Parveen Shakir and so many others. This guy is nowhere near their league. His success primarily roots in a lack of better options available to the teenage male population. It is an unfortunate fact that due to the multitude of religious/social/cultural taboos in place, no serious writer would be willing to touch contemporary fiction with a 40 foot pole. |
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[[User:202.142.150.139|202.142.150.139]] 14:13, 20 May 2007 (UTC) |
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i agree with Ferhan about views of his on writer and novel.This novel is not real but the bottem line is that it builds confidence,potential to struggle,hardwork,positive thinking and heroesam in every men life. |
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In days like now these things are really necessory.His science has logic and base.His thinking is always positive. <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Doodoojan|Doodoojan]] ([[User talk:Doodoojan|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Doodoojan|contribs]]) 19:05, 7 January 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Please do not take the novels as reality. It is a pseudo world not necessarily related to original world. There is no exaggeration involved. Do not compare with real world.Just Chill man[[User:Farhansk|Farhansk]] 17:01, 3 August 2007 (UTC) |
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i have uploaded his two pictures from my personal album but i do not know how to paste them at the right place[[User:Farhansk|Farhansk]] 17:01, 3 August 2007 (UTC) |
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==plagiarism== |
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what i find obnoxious in this article that someone provide the justification of him copying and ruining ibne safi characters, mazhar kaleem lacks originality and depth he copy imran series characters and literally raping their stories, he usually insert popular believes in his novels to get them succeed yes ibne safi failed to copy righted the characters but that legal loop hole doesnt mean that mazhar kaleem is right.and also somebody mention batman, superman being written by different writers, let me tell you that why its right and mazhar kaleem is wrongs the compnay who own superman and batman give the writers "permission" to write these characters and primary owner is benefit from the writing while that bastard chor mazhar kaleem do no such thing, all the money that he earn from his bakwas imran series goes into his pocket and nto single dime is given to ibne safi state, so you mazhar kaleem fanboys dont tell me that if ibne safi didn't register his characters in copyright office so it will be ok for mazhar kaleem and safdar shaheen to write about them, stealing is stealing and sometimes its backed by the law <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/119.160.4.204|119.160.4.204]] ([[User talk:119.160.4.204|talk]]) 08:48, 2 April 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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List of Books
[edit]Please update the list of books whatever you know alongwith a brief description80.78.136.115 14:52, 26 September 2006 (UTC)
Neutrality
[edit]Sorry, but this needs major work on neutrality ("He is a multi dimensional personality excelling in all the fields he has set his foot in") and all of it needs sourcing - the imranseries.com website doesn't work. Tearlach 16:06, 10 May 2007 (UTC
- I've given this a copy edit and removed the most obvious POV material and original research. I would also suggest that any remarks about the originality of this writer's work must be attributed to absolutely cast-iron impartial third-party sources since the body of the article says that he has plagiarized both Ibn-e-Safi and Edgar Rice Burroughs. Accounting4Taste 17:26, 18 June 2007 (UTC)
This is absurd. No where in his novel he has plagiarized Safi nor he has ever used Edgar Rice ideas. Please quote if you have some critique.
We can remove the line and the neutrality should be restored. There is nothing exaggerated in the article that it should be disputed in neutrality.Farhansk 17:05, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
Extremely Exaggerated
[edit]Living nearly all my life in Pakistan, I have read many of Kaleem's books. Yes, the guy has created a lot of pseudo-original characters AND wrote a lot about the "Imran" character borrowed from Ibn-e-Safi, but quite frankly quantity does not necessarily equate quality.
First of all, his rendition of "Imran" is a pompous, self-righteous, racist, uber-nationalist Ronald McDonald on steroids, who is a perpetual virgin (because married people aren't apparently cool enough to be mega-spies and because anything outside of wedlock would be a great "sin" *yawn*) is only directly answerable to the president of the country, has an unlimited budget AND a license to kill, can apparently ALWAYS dodge bullets, has retractable razors in his fingernails and has been known to jump off a flying plane from a height of hundreds of feet without a parachute (he apparently starts doing gymnast flips as soon as he hits the ground, which, in the writer's opinion, would cancel out inertia..., Newton would be so happy) who's dialogue, when not spouting paranoid right wing propaganda against India, Russia and the west, usually consists of PG-13 innuendoes targeting all the available female characters and random, poorly constructed personal insults towards everyone else, especially his African bodyguard (Joseph), who's regularly taunted for having a dark complexion (Imran calls him "Kalia", as in "blacky".) The storyline is usually a very predictable, b-movie affair, based on hackneyed plot devices further weakened by multiple "dei ex machinis" that miraculously come into play whenever the protagonist is in a tight spot, and then topping it all off nicely with an absurdly stereotypical bad guy, who,
- Is always drinking large quantities of alcohol, because according to Islam that is a sure-fire sign of a "bad person".</sarcasm>
- Frequently seems to get a shot at sexually molesting the classic damsel-in-distress heroine but NEVER succeeds beyond tearing off half her cloths; thanks, in equal parts to censorship induced by social taboos and of course the mighty hero himself.
- Is ridiculously loud, obnoxious and cocky.
- Is frequently derogatory towards what Mr. Kaleem considers as 'popular beliefs'.
And the so-called science this man speaks of isn't really science, it's not even fiction for even that would have to be at least somewhat believable. His "science" usually ranges from illogical to downright absurd, which sadly is a theme universally prevalent in his works.
<Rant> The Urdu language has a rich literary heritage, with great names like Mirza Ghalib, Allama Muhammad Iqbal, Ibn-e-Insha, Ahmed Faraaz, Faiz Ahmed Faiz, Meer Taqi Meer, Saadat Hassan Munto, Parveen Shakir and so many others. This guy is nowhere near their league. His success primarily roots in a lack of better options available to the teenage male population. It is an unfortunate fact that due to the multitude of religious/social/cultural taboos in place, no serious writer would be willing to touch contemporary fiction with a 40 foot pole.
202.142.150.139 14:13, 20 May 2007 (UTC)
i agree with Ferhan about views of his on writer and novel.This novel is not real but the bottem line is that it builds confidence,potential to struggle,hardwork,positive thinking and heroesam in every men life. In days like now these things are really necessory.His science has logic and base.His thinking is always positive. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Doodoojan (talk • contribs) 19:05, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
Please do not take the novels as reality. It is a pseudo world not necessarily related to original world. There is no exaggeration involved. Do not compare with real world.Just Chill manFarhansk 17:01, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
pictures
[edit]i have uploaded his two pictures from my personal album but i do not know how to paste them at the right placeFarhansk 17:01, 3 August 2007 (UTC)
plagiarism
[edit]what i find obnoxious in this article that someone provide the justification of him copying and ruining ibne safi characters, mazhar kaleem lacks originality and depth he copy imran series characters and literally raping their stories, he usually insert popular believes in his novels to get them succeed yes ibne safi failed to copy righted the characters but that legal loop hole doesnt mean that mazhar kaleem is right.and also somebody mention batman, superman being written by different writers, let me tell you that why its right and mazhar kaleem is wrongs the compnay who own superman and batman give the writers "permission" to write these characters and primary owner is benefit from the writing while that bastard chor mazhar kaleem do no such thing, all the money that he earn from his bakwas imran series goes into his pocket and nto single dime is given to ibne safi state, so you mazhar kaleem fanboys dont tell me that if ibne safi didn't register his characters in copyright office so it will be ok for mazhar kaleem and safdar shaheen to write about them, stealing is stealing and sometimes its backed by the law — Preceding unsigned comment added by 119.160.4.204 (talk) 08:48, 2 April 2012 (UTC)