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==Targetting==
==Targetting==
targeting actually does effect the theraputic index as it lowers the effective dose and if it sequesters the drug well enough can increase the lethal dose <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jkuech1|Jkuech1]] ([[User talk:Jkuech1|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jkuech1|contribs]]) 16:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
targeting actually does effect the theraputic index as it lowers the effective dose and if it sequesters the drug well enough can increase the lethal dose <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Jkuech1|Jkuech1]] ([[User talk:Jkuech1|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Jkuech1|contribs]]) 16:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->



==History==
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The Therapeutic Index is the quotient of the Toxic Dose and the Effective Dose, not the Lethal Dose. [[Special:Contributions/89.146.16.26|89.146.16.26]] ([[User talk:89.146.16.26|talk]]) 09:00, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
The Therapeutic Index is the quotient of the Toxic Dose and the Effective Dose, not the Lethal Dose. [[Special:Contributions/89.146.16.26|89.146.16.26]] ([[User talk:89.146.16.26|talk]]) 09:00, 28 September 2009 (UTC)
:You are confusing it with [[protective index]], which is exactly what you describe, using TD50 instead of LD50. There is already an article about that.[[Special:Contributions/128.118.56.53|128.118.56.53]] ([[User talk:128.118.56.53|talk]]) 21:33, 1 May 2010 (UTC)
:You are confusing it with [[protective index]], which is exactly what you describe, using TD50 instead of LD50. There is already an article about that.[[Special:Contributions/128.118.56.53|128.118.56.53]] ([[User talk:128.118.56.53|talk]]) 21:33, 1 May 2010 (UTC)


I propose we remove the above refuted proposal, "Incorrect Term". -Alan <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/166.137.10.83|166.137.10.83]] ([[User talk:166.137.10.83|talk]]) 15:24, 5 October 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

:Text should never be removed from talk pages unless it is a blatant [[WP:NPA|personal attack]]. Someone might make the same mistake as the original poster, and that person could potentially learn from this thread. '''[[User:Graham87|Graham]]'''[[User talk:Graham87|<span style="color:green;">87</span>]] 16:01, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

== Examples ==

I would like to see a list of some examples. I found a few in other articles, such as [[Tetrahydrocannabinol#Toxicity|the section on toxicity in the article about Tetrahydrocannabinol]].
<br>[[User:Qbert203|Qbert203]] ([[User talk:Qbert203|talk]]) 00:19, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

==Heroin vs. Alcohol==

In this article, the therapeutic index of heroin is stated to be 10. This is the lowest estimate I have ever seen, and it has no quotations around it. Experimental studies obviously cannot be performed on humans, but the therapeutic index for monkeys has been found to be 50.

Heroin overdose might actually be most often due to mixing with synergistic depressants, instead of its own toxicity.

Furthermore, there is no evidence provided that heroin overdose is more likely than alcohol overdose, which is also very dubious. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Vivamoque|Vivamoque]] ([[User talk:Vivamoque|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Vivamoque|contribs]]) 18:28, 8 February 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

Sources to be found here: http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/studies/cu/cu12.htm

For the time being, I'm removing this section of the article, as it does not citations provided, and the review I have provided directly refutes it. <small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Vivamoque|Vivamoque]] ([[User talk:Vivamoque|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Vivamoque|contribs]]) 18:26, 8 February 2014 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Suggested Source? ==

http://pharmacologycorner.com/therapeutic-index/ <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/173.65.154.242|173.65.154.242]] ([[User talk:173.65.154.242|talk]]) 04:29, 22 May 2014 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->

== Merge with therapeutic window ==

The [[therapeutic window]] article has a huge amount of overlap and is a poor quality stub. They should be merged and if there is any difference between the two it should be detailed here. [[User:Testem|Testem]] ([[User talk:Testem|talk]]) 21:28, 5 January 2015 (UTC)

Article merged: See old talk-page [[talk:Therapeutic window|here]].[[User:Klbrain|Klbrain]] ([[User talk:Klbrain|talk]]) 20:47, 27 August 2015 (UTC)

== Two merge ins ==

Incoming merges have been completed from:
* [[Certain safety factor]]; see [[Talk:Certain safety factor]] for discussion.
* [[Maximum tolerated dose]]; see [[Talk:Maximum tolerated dose]] for discussion.
[[User:Klbrain|Klbrain]] ([[User talk:Klbrain|talk]]) 22:01, 4 October 2015 (UTC)

== MoS ==

The term [[Margin of safety (medicine)]] redirects here but is not explained nor even mentioned. This is confusing. [[Margin of safety|MoS]] is used in cosmetics and pharmaceutical APIs for risk assessments and found in Wikipedia but lacking any description.--[[User:Himbear|Himbear]] ([[User talk:Himbear|talk]]) 09:08, 14 November 2016 (UTC)

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Targetting

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targeting actually does effect the theraputic index as it lowers the effective dose and if it sequesters the drug well enough can increase the lethal dose —Preceding unsigned comment added by Jkuech1 (talkcontribs) 16:38, 26 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

History

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Does anyone have anything to add regarding the history of this phrase, when it was coined and when its use became common in the literature? Or are there any references I should look u to find this information out myself? Turkeyphant 16:05, 3 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Incorrect term

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Shouldn't LD50 be replaced by TD50? The Therapeutic Index is the quotient of the Toxic Dose and the Effective Dose, not the Lethal Dose. 89.146.16.26 (talk) 09:00, 28 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You are confusing it with protective index, which is exactly what you describe, using TD50 instead of LD50. There is already an article about that.128.118.56.53 (talk) 21:33, 1 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]


I propose we remove the above refuted proposal, "Incorrect Term". -Alan —Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.137.10.83 (talk) 15:24, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Text should never be removed from talk pages unless it is a blatant personal attack. Someone might make the same mistake as the original poster, and that person could potentially learn from this thread. Graham87 16:01, 5 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Examples

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I would like to see a list of some examples. I found a few in other articles, such as the section on toxicity in the article about Tetrahydrocannabinol.
Qbert203 (talk) 00:19, 24 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Heroin vs. Alcohol

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In this article, the therapeutic index of heroin is stated to be 10. This is the lowest estimate I have ever seen, and it has no quotations around it. Experimental studies obviously cannot be performed on humans, but the therapeutic index for monkeys has been found to be 50.

Heroin overdose might actually be most often due to mixing with synergistic depressants, instead of its own toxicity.

Furthermore, there is no evidence provided that heroin overdose is more likely than alcohol overdose, which is also very dubious. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vivamoque (talkcontribs) 18:28, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Sources to be found here: http://www.druglibrary.org/schaffer/Library/studies/cu/cu12.htm

For the time being, I'm removing this section of the article, as it does not citations provided, and the review I have provided directly refutes it. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Vivamoque (talkcontribs) 18:26, 8 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Suggested Source?

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http://pharmacologycorner.com/therapeutic-index/ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.65.154.242 (talk) 04:29, 22 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with therapeutic window

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The therapeutic window article has a huge amount of overlap and is a poor quality stub. They should be merged and if there is any difference between the two it should be detailed here. Testem (talk) 21:28, 5 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Article merged: See old talk-page here.Klbrain (talk) 20:47, 27 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Two merge ins

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Incoming merges have been completed from:

Klbrain (talk) 22:01, 4 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

MoS

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The term Margin of safety (medicine) redirects here but is not explained nor even mentioned. This is confusing. MoS is used in cosmetics and pharmaceutical APIs for risk assessments and found in Wikipedia but lacking any description.--Himbear (talk) 09:08, 14 November 2016 (UTC)[reply]