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The project seems to have brought in a surfeit of articles referring to MSPA! Let's try to hunt a few more of them down in the next few weeks. Hopefully this'll give the article its much-needed "notability". I was also pleased to note that PC World's article referenced the Newgrounds Crash - I think that that's the first time a reputable third-party source has done so. ashdenej 19:57, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wired and Kotaku have written articles on it. PBS has made a video about it. LenJates (talk) 21:36, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I know - I'm the one who edited those into the article, haha. As a further plus, Google News has started throwing up stuff under the "Homestuck" search string for the first time. Encouraging! ashdenej 21:48, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've definitely been keeping an eye out. You're just too fast with your ninja editing skills, Ashdenej. I don't have time to do anything. :( Silver seren^C 04:26, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hah, beat you to that one! Silver seren^C 04:44, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Split off Homestuck?

Should we split off Homestuck into its own article and just use a summary style paragraph here and link to it? There's more than enough references and we could definitely expand it to include information about the fandom and beyond that. Silver seren^C 21:56, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's a good idea. After all, most of the news articles are about Homestuck, not MSPA. Wehpudicabok (talk) 08:31, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Seeing as we just got almost 2.5 million dollars on Kickstarter, I think it'd be handy if there was somewhere to link to directly. Wehbudicabok makes a good point, too. It really is heartening to see the articles that keep popping up - awfully researched ones notwithstanding. ashdenej 18:47, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It'd be cool to see that happen, but I worry about contested deletions. Mizusajt (talk) 17:47, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Only if you can find enough reliable sources discussing it to build a decent article. I think it's fine as it is, personally. What more is there to say that isn't in the article already? Robofish (talk) 23:31, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

More detailed plot synopsis, brief character list, a section on the varied stylistic approaches/history, and a reception section are how I would fill a whole article just for HS. Like what we see on other comics' pages (I'm thinking of Megatokyo particularly). I think we could probably get all of that from the sources we already have here, plus that interview Hussie did with Bryan Lee O'Malley. Wehpudicabok (talk) 03:46, 6 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Though I think a character list would be kinda difficult beyond just the Beta kids, as I don't think many or any of the others have been really described in the news articles, sadly. Silver seren^C 04:26, 6 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of stuff, like what Wehpudicabok just listed, in addition to stuff about the fandom, which is not really represented in the article right now, but has been written about a lot in the news. Not to mention that since the end of the Kickstarter, there's been four more news articles written about Homestuck, including a ridiculously in-depth and long one by the creator of Scott Pilgrim vs. The World, also mentioned by Wehpudicabok, wherein O'Malley describes Homestuck and also has an interview with Hussie. Silver seren^C 04:24, 6 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, split has been enacted. We still need to change the wording in the Homestuck paragraph here so it doesn't duplicate the wording in the separate Homestuck article. But other than that, we're good. Silver seren^C 19:55, 6 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Not done - that is not a semi protected edit request - requests for protection should be made at WP:RPP - Arjayay (talk) 18:34, 3 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

However, as I do not see any vandalism for over 4 months, they won't protect the page in any case. - Arjayay (talk) 18:38, 3 July 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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-When did this get an article?  What an awesome webcomic, it totally deserves this.  I was thinking about making it but couldn't find any sources, kudos to whoever did.[[User:NexCarnifex|NexCarnifex]] ([[User talk:NexCarnifex|talk]]) 00:52, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
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-This article is much to long and full of fancruft.  I think the entire Art Section should be deleted, I just don't see why anyone would care about that if they didn't read the comic.  A description of the different adventures is fine, but the other stuff should go in order to remove fancruft, and maybe even some information taken from those descriptions. [[User:NexCarnifex|Nex Carnifex]] ([[User talk:NexCarnifex|talk]]) 12:53, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
-:Really? It looks pretty tidily-written to me. I've seen way bigger messes of webcomic articles... [[Special:Contributions/67.164.60.27|67.164.60.27]] ([[User talk:67.164.60.27|talk]]) 07:01, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
-I edited it [[User:NexCarnifex|Nex Carnifex]] ([[User talk:NexCarnifex|talk]]) 11:42, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
-== Homestuck summary ==
-"brings them into a whole new universe, containing a world of teenage trolls"
-Really? Doesn't make sense for me. The troll session is seperate, and technically, the troll session is what created the kid's world in the first place. If anything, the troll session 'contains' the kid's session, not the other way around. Either way, the summary is flawed.--[[Special:Contributions/84.137.107.251|84.137.107.251]] ([[User talk:84.137.107.251|talk]]) 20:10, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
-== Contested deletion ==
-This page should not be speedily deleted because it has had non-trivial coverage by [[Workbook Project]], as defined by the web notability page. A link to the nontrivial coverage is here. http://workbookproject.com/blog/2009/01/25/culture-hacker-how-problem-sleuth-turns-a-comic-into-a-game/--[[Special:Contributions/74.171.73.120|74.171.73.120]] ([[User talk:74.171.73.120|talk]]) 03:10, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
-:What makes you think the [[Workbook Project]] is sufficiently notable that ''mention'' of this topic in that project protects it from {{tl|db-web}}.  I added a {{tl|notability}} tag for further discussion.  — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]]  [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 02:24, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
-It's the longest web comic on the Internet and with an average of 600,000 unique views daily it's more widely read than other comics that have articles on Wikipedia, such as [[Daily Dinosaur Comics]], which has fewer references from outside sources. I think that at least qualifies this article not to be speedy deleted. [[Special:Contributions/173.57.49.119|173.57.49.119]] ([[User talk:173.57.49.119|talk]]) 08:37, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
+== Kickstarter ==
-There are several newspapers cited here... this seems like just another frivolous anti-webcomic deletion request. [[User:Endovior|Endovior]] ([[User talk:Endovior|talk]]) 23:15, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
-* I concur with Endovior. As such, I'm going to take the liberty of removing the tag. --[[User:SpecOp Macavity|Special Operative MACAVITY]]<sup>[[User talk:SpecOp Macavity|Debrief me]]</sup> 09:16, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
-* I agree that the notion that this page should be deleted is ludicrous. It is an artistic endeavor with cultural significance. People bring up Homestuck in average conversation during their everyday lives. How does that make it irrelevant, especially in comparison to the countless other arguably trivial articles on Wikipedia? Should the article about Charlie Brown also be deleted? Can you prove that it has cultural significance? Of course not, because such a thing is too subjective to define. With so many users clearly putting so much effort into this article page, we should err on the side of maintaining content over deletion. We should be asking for compelling evidence that it is worthy of deletion, rather than placing the burden of proof on the fans of the comic.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/216.67.23.197|216.67.23.197]] ([[User talk:216.67.23.197|talk]]) 11:50, 11 December 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+The project seems to have brought in a surfeit of articles referring to MSPA! Let's try to hunt a few more of them down in the next few weeks. Hopefully this'll give the article its much-needed "notability". I was also pleased to note that PC World's article referenced the Newgrounds Crash - I think that that's the first time a reputable third-party source has done so. [[User:ashdenej|<span title="Hoo hoo hoo."><span style="color: #2ED73A">ashdenej</span></span>]] 19:57, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
-== Should Homestuck Have It's Own Page? ==
+Wired and Kotaku have written articles on it. PBS has made a video about it. [[User:LenJates|LenJates]] ([[User talk:LenJates|talk]]) 21:36, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
-I believe that Homestuck should have it's own page. Homestuck has grown larger than all of the other adventures combined. Plus there are many characters (I started a characters page, but they now redirect to MS Paint Adventures) as well as many elements and locations. It's practically on the scale of a Harry Potter book. [[User:LordHyper|LordHyper]] ([[User talk:LordHyper|talk]]) 20:49, 15 August 2011 (UTC)LordHyper
+Yes, I know - I'm the one who edited those into the article, haha. As a further plus, Google News has started throwing up stuff under the "Homestuck" search string for the first time. Encouraging! [[User:ashdenej|<span title="Hoo hoo hoo."><span style="color: #2ED73A">ashdenej</span></span>]] 21:48, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
-While I don't agree with your sense of scale, I will agree that Homestuck has become a phenomenon on its own. If you think Homestuck should have its own page, I suggest you create it. I will gladly support the endeavor. [[User:Vinithehat|ViniTheHat]] ([[User talk:Vinithehat|talk]]) 17:22, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
+:I've definitely been keeping an eye out. You're just too fast with your ninja editing skills, Ashdenej. I don't have time to do anything. :( [[User:Silver seren|<span style="color:silver;">Silver</span>]][[User talk:Silver seren|<span style="color:blue;">seren</span>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]]</sup> 04:26, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
+:Hah, beat you to that one! [[User:Silver seren|<span style="color:silver;">Silver</span>]][[User talk:Silver seren|<span style="color:blue;">seren</span>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]]</sup> 04:44, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
+== Split off Homestuck? ==
+Should we split off Homestuck into its own article and just use a [[WP:SUMMARYSTYLE|summary style]] paragraph here and link to it? There's more than enough references and we could definitely expand it to include information about the fandom and beyond that. [[User:Silver seren|<span style="color:silver;">Silver</span>]][[User talk:Silver seren|<span style="color:blue;">seren</span>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]]</sup> 21:56, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
-I saw that someone tried to go ahead and make a separate Homestuck article a couple days ago, however it was removed soon after due to 'notability'.  Admittedly the initial attempt was not the best, with overemphasis on character description and nothing else (and further than that, much more emphasis placed on describing the Trolls than the Kids, to the point of imbalance of article focus).
+:I think that's a good idea.  After all, most of the news articles are about Homestuck, not MSPA.  [[User:Wehpudicabok|Wehpudicabok]] ([[User talk:Wehpudicabok|talk]]) 08:31, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
-But still, and this is just my own opinion, I really get the feeling that Homestuck (while certainly not Harry Potter scale of notability) has gotten well beyond the point of popularity where it likely does need to have its own page.  Although I would only be citing something that the author himself said on his Tumblr, the fact he anticipated around 2 million views alone for the End of Act 5 flash speaks volumes to how much attention and traffic the website gets, much less due only to Homestuck.
+:Seeing as we just got [[Kickstarter#Top_projects_by_funds_raised|almost 2.5 million dollars]] on Kickstarter, I think it'd be handy if there was somewhere to link to directly. Wehbudicabok makes a good point, too. It really is heartening to see the articles that keep popping up - awfully researched ones notwithstanding. [[User:ashdenej|<span title="Hoo hoo hoo."><span style="color: #2ED73A">ashdenej</span></span>]] 18:47, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
-Alexa Traffic Rankings, while not perhaps the most accurate all the time, further solidify that Homestuck is also the primary reason people go to MS-Paint Adventures, with the plurality of search queries that send people to the page being 'homestuck' (about 36%, with 'ms paint adventures' being a distant 2nd with 10%).
+:It'd be cool to see that happen, but I worry about contested deletions. [[User:Mizusajt|Mizusajt]] ([[User talk:Mizusajt|talk]]) 17:47, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
-I've been out of the loop for way too long concerning Wikipedia rules, guidelines, and proper coding/editing/page creating to try and do anything, sadly.  Still, I figured I would comment and hope to get something of a discussion going concerning this, and see if anyone else may have some more thorough or researched comments either for or against this. --[[User:Resident Lune|Resident Lune]] ([[User talk:Resident Lune|talk]]) 01:18, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
+:Only if you can find enough reliable sources discussing it to build a decent article. I think it's fine as it is, personally. What more is there to say that isn't in the article already? [[User:Robofish|Robofish]] ([[User talk:Robofish|talk]]) 23:31, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
-==File:Homestuck panel.gif Nominated for speedy Deletion==
+::More detailed plot synopsis, brief character list, a section on the varied stylistic approaches/history, and a reception section are how I would fill a whole article just for HS.  Like what we see on other comics' pages (I'm thinking of [[Megatokyo]] particularly).  I think we could probably get all of that from the sources we already have here, plus that interview Hussie did with Bryan Lee O'Malley.  [[User:Wehpudicabok|Wehpudicabok]] ([[User talk:Wehpudicabok|talk]]) 03:46, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
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+:::Though I think a character list would be kinda difficult beyond just the Beta kids, as I don't think many or any of the others have been really described in the news articles, sadly. [[User:Silver seren|<span style="color:silver;">Silver</span>]][[User talk:Silver seren|<span style="color:blue;">seren</span>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]]</sup> 04:26, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
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+::A lot of stuff, like what Wehpudicabok just listed, in addition to stuff about the fandom, which is not really represented in the article right now, but has been written about a lot in the news. Not to mention that since the end of the Kickstarter, there's been four more news articles written about Homestuck, including a ridiculously in-depth and long one by the creator of ''[[Scott Pilgrim vs. The World]]'', also mentioned by Wehpudicabok, wherein O'Malley describes Homestuck and also has an interview with Hussie. [[User:Silver seren|<span style="color:silver;">Silver</span>]][[User talk:Silver seren|<span style="color:blue;">seren</span>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]]</sup> 04:24, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
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+* Okay, split has been enacted. We still need to change the wording in the Homestuck paragraph here so it doesn't duplicate the wording in the separate Homestuck article. But other than that, we're good. [[User:Silver seren|<span style="color:silver;">Silver</span>]][[User talk:Silver seren|<span style="color:blue;">seren</span>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]]</sup> 19:55, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
-ive tweeted andrew hussie to see if he'll grant permission for the image, since its his. [[User:Vinithehat|ViniTheHat]] ([[User talk:Vinithehat|talk]]) 00:01, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
+== Semi protect request edit on 3 June 2016 ==
-== Deletion ==
+{{edit semi-protected|MS Paint Adventures|answered=y}}
-It's even less notable then other Web-content like Arby 'n' The Chief, in which it doesn't meet criteria to have a page. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98|talk]]) 22:10, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
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-* I came to this page because I heard people talking about it in everyday conversation and I wanted to know more about it. Isn't that what encyclopedia articles are for? Therefore, it is clearly notable, if it has become part of the common culture.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/216.67.23.197|216.67.23.197]] ([[User talk:216.67.23.197|talk]]) 11:53, 11 December 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
+Constants/possible [[Wikipedia:Vandalism|vandalism]] and possible unknown vandalism...
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+— [[Special:Contributions/2601:183:4000:D5BD:4DF6:4958:91E:FD70|2601:183:4000:D5BD:4DF6:4958:91E:FD70]] ([[User talk:2601:183:4000:D5BD:4DF6:4958:91E:FD70|talk]]) 18:31, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
+:{{Not done}} - that is not a semi protected edit request - requests for protection should be made at [[WP:RPP]] - [[User:Arjayay|Arjayay]] ([[User talk:Arjayay|talk]]) 18:34, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
+::However, as I do not see any vandalism for over 4 months, they won't protect the page in any case. - [[User:Arjayay|Arjayay]] ([[User talk:Arjayay|talk]]) 18:38, 3 July 2016 (UTC)