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Kickstarter

The project seems to have brought in a surfeit of articles referring to MSPA! Let's try to hunt a few more of them down in the next few weeks. Hopefully this'll give the article its much-needed "notability". I was also pleased to note that PC World's article referenced the Newgrounds Crash - I think that that's the first time a reputable third-party source has done so. ashdenej 19:57, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wired and Kotaku have written articles on it. PBS has made a video about it. LenJates (talk) 21:36, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I know - I'm the one who edited those into the article, haha. As a further plus, Google News has started throwing up stuff under the "Homestuck" search string for the first time. Encouraging! ashdenej 21:48, 6 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've definitely been keeping an eye out. You're just too fast with your ninja editing skills, Ashdenej. I don't have time to do anything. :( Silver seren^C 04:26, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hah, beat you to that one! Silver seren^C 04:44, 7 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Split off Homestuck?

Should we split off Homestuck into its own article and just use a summary style paragraph here and link to it? There's more than enough references and we could definitely expand it to include information about the fandom and beyond that. Silver seren^C 21:56, 2 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I think that's a good idea. After all, most of the news articles are about Homestuck, not MSPA. Wehpudicabok (talk) 08:31, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Seeing as we just got almost 2.5 million dollars on Kickstarter, I think it'd be handy if there was somewhere to link to directly. Wehbudicabok makes a good point, too. It really is heartening to see the articles that keep popping up - awfully researched ones notwithstanding. ashdenej 18:47, 4 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It'd be cool to see that happen, but I worry about contested deletions. Mizusajt (talk) 17:47, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Only if you can find enough reliable sources discussing it to build a decent article. I think it's fine as it is, personally. What more is there to say that isn't in the article already? Robofish (talk) 23:31, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

More detailed plot synopsis, brief character list, a section on the varied stylistic approaches/history, and a reception section are how I would fill a whole article just for HS. Like what we see on other comics' pages (I'm thinking of Megatokyo particularly). I think we could probably get all of that from the sources we already have here, plus that interview Hussie did with Bryan Lee O'Malley. Wehpudicabok (talk) 03:46, 6 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Though I think a character list would be kinda difficult beyond just the Beta kids, as I don't think many or any of the others have been really described in the news articles, sadly. Silver seren^C 04:26, 6 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A lot of stuff, like what Wehpudicabok just listed, in addition to stuff about the fandom, which is not really represented in the article right now, but has been written about a lot in the news. Not to mention that since the end of the Kickstarter, there's been four more news articles written about Homestuck, including a ridiculously in-depth and long one by the creator of Scott Pilgrim vs. The World, also mentioned by Wehpudicabok, wherein O'Malley describes Homestuck and also has an interview with Hussie. Silver seren^C 04:24, 6 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, split has been enacted. We still need to change the wording in the Homestuck paragraph here so it doesn't duplicate the wording in the separate Homestuck article. But other than that, we're good. Silver seren^C 19:55, 6 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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-==Awesome==
-When did this get an article?  What an awesome webcomic, it totally deserves this.  I was thinking about making it but couldn't find any sources, kudos to whoever did.[[User:NexCarnifex|NexCarnifex]] ([[User talk:NexCarnifex|talk]]) 00:52, 19 November 2010 (UTC)
-==Total garbage==
-This should not be mistakenly be listed as a webcomic, because it simply isn't. It's rather a pseudo-interactive fiction game, and a really shitty one to boot (the story I read for like half an hour was the current one). not making the slightest sense nor being funny whatsoever. avoid it like the fucking plague! <!-- Template:Unsigned IP --><small class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/ 212.183.120.197 | 212.183.120.197 ]] ([[User talk: 212.183.120.197 #top|talk]]) 21:18, 27 June 2012‎ </small>
-Yeah, well, you know, that's just like, your opinion, man. [[User:Specs112|<font color="teal">'''Specs112'''</font>]] [[User talk:Specs112|<font color="teal"><small>''t''</small></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specs112|<font color="teal"><small>''c''</small></font>]] 22:44, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
-== Too long ==
-This article is much to long and full of fancruft.  I think the entire Art Section should be deleted, I just don't see why anyone would care about that if they didn't read the comic.  A description of the different adventures is fine, but the other stuff should go in order to remove fancruft, and maybe even some information taken from those descriptions. [[User:NexCarnifex|Nex Carnifex]] ([[User talk:NexCarnifex|talk]]) 12:53, 21 March 2011 (UTC)
-:Really? It looks pretty tidily-written to me. I've seen way bigger messes of webcomic articles... [[Special:Contributions/67.164.60.27|67.164.60.27]] ([[User talk:67.164.60.27|talk]]) 07:01, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
-I edited it [[User:NexCarnifex|Nex Carnifex]] ([[User talk:NexCarnifex|talk]]) 11:42, 23 March 2011 (UTC)
-== Homestuck summary ==
-"brings them into a whole new universe, containing a world of teenage trolls"
-Really? Doesn't make sense for me. The troll session is seperate, and technically, the troll session is what created the kid's world in the first place. If anything, the troll session 'contains' the kid's session, not the other way around. Either way, the summary is flawed.--[[Special:Contributions/84.137.107.251|84.137.107.251]] ([[User talk:84.137.107.251|talk]]) 20:10, 14 June 2011 (UTC)
-The Homestuck summery needs to be rewritten. The tone could be perceived as verging on non-neutral POV, and the structure of the sentences are weird. [[User:LG Rocket|LG Rocket]] ([[User talk:LG Rocket|talk]]) 06:41, 14 May 2012 (UTC)
-== Contested deletion ==
-This page should not be speedily deleted because it has had non-trivial coverage by [[Workbook Project]], as defined by the web notability page. A link to the nontrivial coverage is here. http://workbookproject.com/blog/2009/01/25/culture-hacker-how-problem-sleuth-turns-a-comic-into-a-game/--[[Special:Contributions/74.171.73.120|74.171.73.120]] ([[User talk:74.171.73.120|talk]]) 03:10, 30 July 2011 (UTC)
-:What makes you think the [[Workbook Project]] is sufficiently notable that ''mention'' of this topic in that project protects it from {{tl|db-web}}.  I added a {{tl|notability}} tag for further discussion.  — [[User:Arthur Rubin|Arthur Rubin]]  [[User talk:Arthur Rubin|(talk)]] 02:24, 4 November 2011 (UTC)
-It's the longest web comic on the Internet and with an average of 600,000 unique views daily it's more widely read than other comics that have articles on Wikipedia, such as [[Daily Dinosaur Comics]], which has fewer references from outside sources. I think that at least qualifies this article not to be speedy deleted. [[Special:Contributions/173.57.49.119|173.57.49.119]] ([[User talk:173.57.49.119|talk]]) 08:37, 10 November 2011 (UTC)
-There are several newspapers cited here... this seems like just another frivolous anti-webcomic deletion request. [[User:Endovior|Endovior]] ([[User talk:Endovior|talk]]) 23:15, 15 November 2011 (UTC)
-* I concur with Endovior. As such, I'm going to take the liberty of removing the tag. --[[User:SpecOp Macavity|Special Operative MACAVITY]]<sup>[[User talk:SpecOp Macavity|Debrief me]]</sup> 09:16, 27 November 2011 (UTC)
-* I agree that the notion that this page should be deleted is ludicrous. It is an artistic endeavor with cultural significance. People bring up Homestuck in average conversation during their everyday lives. How does that make it irrelevant, especially in comparison to the countless other arguably trivial articles on Wikipedia? Should the article about Charlie Brown also be deleted? Can you prove that it has cultural significance? Of course not, because such a thing is too subjective to define. With so many users clearly putting so much effort into this article page, we should err on the side of maintaining content over deletion. We should be asking for compelling evidence that it is worthy of deletion, rather than placing the burden of proof on the fans of the comic.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/216.67.23.197|216.67.23.197]] ([[User talk:216.67.23.197|talk]]) 11:50, 11 December 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-== Should Homestuck Have Its Own Page? ==
-I believe that Homestuck should have its own page. Homestuck has grown larger than all of the other adventures combined. Plus there are many characters (I started a characters page, but they now redirect to MS Paint Adventures) as well as many elements and locations. It's practically on the scale of a Harry Potter book. [[User:LordHyper|LordHyper]] ([[User talk:LordHyper|talk]]) 20:49, 15 August 2011 (UTC)LordHyper
-While I don't agree with your sense of scale, I will agree that Homestuck has become a phenomenon on its own. If you think Homestuck should have its own page, I suggest you create it. I will gladly support the endeavor. [[User:Vinithehat|ViniTheHat]] ([[User talk:Vinithehat|talk]]) 17:22, 16 August 2011 (UTC)
-I saw that someone tried to go ahead and make a separate Homestuck article a couple days ago, however it was removed soon after due to 'notability'.  Admittedly the initial attempt was not the best, with overemphasis on character description and nothing else (and further than that, much more emphasis placed on describing the Trolls than the Kids, to the point of imbalance of article focus).
-But still, and this is just my own opinion, I really get the feeling that Homestuck (while certainly not Harry Potter scale of notability) has gotten well beyond the point of popularity where it likely does need to have its own page.  Although I would only be citing something that the author himself said on his Tumblr, the fact he anticipated around 2 million views alone for the End of Act 5 flash speaks volumes to how much attention and traffic the website gets, much less due only to Homestuck.
-Alexa Traffic Rankings, while not perhaps the most accurate all the time, further solidify that Homestuck is also the primary reason people go to MS-Paint Adventures, with the plurality of search queries that send people to the page being 'homestuck' (about 36%, with 'ms paint adventures' being a distant 2nd with 10%).
-I've been out of the loop for way too long concerning Wikipedia rules, guidelines, and proper coding/editing/page creating to try and do anything, sadly.  Still, I figured I would comment and hope to get something of a discussion going concerning this, and see if anyone else may have some more thorough or researched comments either for or against this. --[[User:Resident Lune|Resident Lune]] ([[User talk:Resident Lune|talk]]) 01:18, 29 October 2011 (UTC)
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-ive tweeted andrew hussie to see if he'll grant permission for the image, since its his. [[User:Vinithehat|ViniTheHat]] ([[User talk:Vinithehat|talk]]) 00:01, 9 December 2011 (UTC)
-== Deletion ==
-It's even less notable then other Web-content like Arby 'n' The Chief, in which it doesn't meet criteria to have a page. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98|talk]]) 22:10, 10 December 2011 (UTC)
-* I came to this page because I heard people talking about it in everyday conversation and I wanted to know more about it. Isn't that what encyclopedia articles are for? Therefore, it is clearly notable, if it has become part of the common culture.  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/216.67.23.197|216.67.23.197]] ([[User talk:216.67.23.197|talk]]) 11:53, 11 December 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-**Once again, stuff like Arby 'n' The Chief has been discussed in everyday conversation, yet isn't allowed to have a page. This is no exception. [[User:Jman98|Jman98]] ([[User talk:Jman98|talk]]) 01:48, 18 December 2011 (UTC)
-***It isn't even a good article anyway, people keep adding fancruft[[User:NexCarnifex|Nex Carnifex]] ([[User talk:NexCarnifex|talk]]) 16:15, 19 December 2011 (UTC)
-****At this point MSPA works have been available for-- seemingly rather successful-- sale for some time. It's a commercial success that currently supports the author as his full time job. The main page is currently racking up over 3.5 million hits a day (at least, according to their advertisers). It's an original work that has, in turn, spawned at least one thousand individual "fan adventures" of varying length. Its drawing power ended up crashing one of the internet's most trafficked entertainment websites. It's pretty much the only collection of its medium that's achieved any real success. What makes it any less notable than, for example, [[Ctrl+Alt+Del]]? [[Burnet: A Life]]?... [[Badger Badger Badger]]? I'm not at all familiar with Arby 'n' the Chief-- maybe it does deserve its own page? But the removal of a "cat" page wouldn't necessarily mean the "dog" page is irrelevant, as well. [[Special:Contributions/50.47.103.13|50.47.103.13]] ([[User talk:50.47.103.13|talk]]) 17:26, 20 December 2011 (UTC)
-****Whether it is or isn't a good article has nothing to do with notability. In this case, we're talking about a self-sustaining webcomic which gets more searches than most of the webcomics mentioned here. If a webcomic with more than fifty thousand fans (this is just the number who have signed up for the community forum, far more people than that read the comic) weren't notable, Wikipedia would be capped at a thousand pages and articles like [[Hyantiini|this]] wouldn't have even been considered. [[User:Marbles1136|Marbles1136]] ([[User talk:Marbles1136|talk]]) 15:47, 1 January 2012 (UTC)
-*****None of those arguments are relevant to notability. We don't base notability on webhits, forum members, likes on facebook, etc. We base it on significant coverage by reliable third party sources which are understood to confer notability. This article was properly deleted before and restored without satisfying the reason for being deleted. It should have been speedied. The only news paper articles here, are college newspapers (which traditionally don't confer notability on wikipedia), and trivial mentions in other publications where someone mentions wearing a costume based on this IP, that's it. There is zero notability here.--[[User:Crossmr|Crossmr]] ([[User talk:Crossmr|talk]]) 03:22, 12 February 2012 (UTC)
-******I don't know whether this counts as a reliable source, but [http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/subcultures/homestuck Know Your Meme] reports that Homestuck is extremely popular on the internet, and that it was big enough to crash two major websites (Newgrounds and Megaupload) at one point due to sheer traffic alone.  [http://www.youthcentral.vic.gov.au/Get%2BInvolved/Reviews/ViewPage.action?&repositoryName=&siteNodeId=515&CurrentFolderID=1930&ItemID=15383&BackToFolderID=1930 This site], which is operated by the government of the Australian state of Victoria, also reports that Homestuck is "skyrocketing in popularity."  Come to think of it, that latter is probably the most reliable source yet.  [[User:Wehpudicabok|Wehpudicabok]] ([[User talk:Wehpudicabok|talk]]) 21:17, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
-******[http://www.cracked.com/funny-8145-homestuck/ Also Cracked].  [[User:Wehpudicabok|Wehpudicabok]] ([[User talk:Wehpudicabok|talk]]) 21:28, 29 February 2012 (UTC)
-*My issue is, how can you argue that MS Paint Adventures in not notable when there are [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Stub_sorting/List_of_stubs so many other articles] that barely have any work on them and may be of dubious notability themselves? What is it that makes MSPA less notable than, say [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrie_Advance a weekly local Canadian newspaper] or [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bis(2-ethylhexyl)phthalate_esterase some crazy chemical thing]? Granted, it's not the best written article on the internet itself, but that's the magic of Wikipedia. Eventually, over time, it will be crafted by various writers into something that readable and of some informational merit, just like every other article on this website. The other problem is, Wikipedia isn't just supposed to be a repository of information; it's supposed to be a repository of culture. To deny the culture that MSPA has created is mere conceit. The fact that it is presented in an online medium (as opposed to say some relatively unknown TV show or anime that was not presented online) denies the cultural impact of the internet and creates a strange dichotomy between the internet and other mediums that, quite frankly, doesn't exist any more. (See: [[Penny Arcade]], [[Dr. Horrible's Sing Along Blog]]) In any case, when something has more than 2 million regular readers internationally, that alone should constitute notability. If it doesn't, then Wikipedia should really re-examine what constitutes notability, because there is something very wrong there. [[User:Bonzi77|Bonzi77]] ([[User talk:Bonzi77|talk]]) 16:16, 1 March 2012 (UTC)
-**Andrew Hussie has been [https://dhs.stanford.edu/social-media-literacy/interview-with-andrew-hussie-creator-of-homestuck/ interviewed] by the Stanford University Digital Humanities Specialist regarding his work on MSPA and its place in internet culture.  [http://torontocomics.com/update-new-exhibitors-at-tcaf-new-books-and-some-cancellations/ The Toronto Comic Arts Festival] reports that Hussie was invited to attend for the past two years.  I'm going to try and work these into the article to help establish notability.  I'm still a fairly inexperienced editor and would like some help, but I think it's safe to say that notability has been established.  [[User:Wehpudicabok|Wehpudicabok]] ([[User talk:Wehpudicabok|talk]]) 06:02, 3 March 2012 (UTC)
-==Popularity==
-* I believe that Homestuck should now be honored with it's own separate article because it has currently broken the record for the longest webcomic along with one of the largest fandoms of any webcomic and it doesn't show any signs of stopping.  So ask yourself, what is the longest and one of the most popular webcomics doing here as a one paragraph long section of another article?  <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/65.184.48.209|65.184.48.209]] ([[User talk:65.184.48.209|talk]]) 01:36, 13 February 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
-*:[[WP:ILIKEIT]], [[WP:V]], [[WP:RS]], [[WP:NPOV]], etc. There is currently no evidence that this should even have an article at this point.--[[User:Crossmr|Crossmr]] ([[User talk:Crossmr|talk]]) 23:27, 13 February 2012 (UTC)
-*While Homestuck COULD have its own article, considering the number of characters, plot elements, musical albums, impacts on popular culture, and readers, there is less than two paragraphs on it in this page. Maybe we can expand this page first? [[User:Mizusajt|Mizusajt]] ([[User talk:Mizusajt|talk]]) 19:42, 31 July 2012 (UTC)
-:* Which also means you're going to need to find more reliable sources with information on Homestuck in order to expand it here. So, news sources and the like (tech news sources like The Escapist and Gizmodo count too). <font color="silver">[[User:Silver seren|Silver]]</font><font color="blue">[[User talk:Silver seren|seren]]</font><sup>[[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]]</sup> 03:58, 1 August 2012 (UTC)
-== Seperate Page for Andrew? ==
-Andrew Hussie is a person AND famous among the internet community. I believe he deserves more recognition, as this article barely even mentions him. If not him, then Homestuck at least. [[User:Irockz|Irockz]] ([[User talk:Irockz|talk]]) 17:13, 26 March 2012 (UTC)
-:I'm not aware of Hussie having much notability outside of this project, so I think a section on him within this page should be sufficient.  [[User:Wehpudicabok|Wehpudicabok]] ([[User talk:Wehpudicabok|talk]]) 08:34, 29 March 2012 (UTC)
-== Overhaul ==
-I've overhauled the article with some of the secondary sources I cited here, and have removed the "primary sources" and "original research" templates, since I believe the article has now satisfied these criteria.  However, I'm not sure whether notability has been established, despite what I said above.  It is difficult to know when a webcomic (or any comic, for that matter) can be considered "notable," since it's such an oft-overlooked medium.  It's especially tricky with MSPA, since this comic hasn't had as long as others to permeate the culture.  What does the community think about notability now?  [[User:Wehpudicabok|Wehpudicabok]] ([[User talk:Wehpudicabok|talk]]) 05:55, 5 April 2012 (UTC)
-== Chopped part of the Homestuck Summary ==
-"As the longest comic currently hosted on MS Paint Adventures, Homestuck has developed a complicated and well-wound plot over it's three-year-plus making. The first two to three acts consist mostly of early plot involvement that sets up for later plot ideas, and many a line or event that is referenced later on in the comic. Act 4 sees the plot thicken and begin to get complicated, especially with the additional development of 'The Exiles', surviving members of the Dark and Light kingdoms who previously waged war between themselves, and a lengthy appearance from majority of the Trolls. Act 5's main focus is the trolls. They are all legitimately introduced and developed, and further interact with the kids. Also revealed are a few of the Trolls' strange customs such as their odd ways of courtship. (Quadrants, which are made up of Red Romance, Black Romance, Ashen and Pale. Depending on which quadrant a pair of Trolls are in, determines the nature of their relationship.) The biggest example being Karkat- the Troll represented by the Cancer symbol- who preposition's John for a Black Romance, which consists of a non-platonic relationship based on the feeling of Hate. Red Romance, like Black Romance, is a sexual relationship. The difference being that a Red-Rom, or 'Matespritship' is built on the feeling of pity. Pale feelings are more like a friendship than anything, although this is not a sexual relationship, (nor is Ashen) it is still a romantic involvement. The main role of a Pale partner is to provide council and emotional stability to their 'Moirail'. Ashen is linked directly with Black-Rom, or 'Kismesistude'. In order to be in an Ashen quadrant, a Troll must be a sort of mediator, or 'Auspistice', to a pair of potential Kismeses. Act 5 concludes with the long-awaited "End Of Act 5" flash, '[S] Cascade'. It goes for roughly 13 minutes and had to be uploaded to Newgrounds and MegaVideo before the MSPA website, so the influx of viewers did not crash the site. However, Hussie clearly underestimated the amount of potential viewers, as both Newgrounds and MegaVideo crashed due to the amount of traffic to that particular area of the site. Act 6 begins with the introduction of the Alpha/Post Scratch kids, who are simply older versions of the original 4 kids to play the SBurb game. However, it is not a simple trip back in time, the circumstance of 'The Scratch' was that the original kids and their paradox parents switched places in their respective timelines to create an alternate universe. 2 of the the original kids and the remaining trolls, to avoid ceasing to exist, embark on a 3-year journey on a meteor that is headed toward post-Scratch Earth, as they simultaneously attempt to avoid the Black Agent, Jack Noir, who is pursuing them. The other 2 kids, John and Jade (along with the entire populations of the planets Skaia, Prospit and Derse from the pre-Scratch universe) are headed the same direction, but on a giant battleship, which Jade sent crashing through the 4th Wall ('Fenestrated Plane') with her newly acquired God-Tier powers of manipulating space.
-Homestuck is by far the most popular comic in the MS Paint Adventures series.  At times, the sheer volume of traffic the comic takes in can overwhelm the website's servers; in order to avoid this when uploading a particularly important Flash animation, Hussie asked another website, [[Newgrounds]], to host it for him &ndash; however, that site was also crashed under the comic's traffic. Afterward, Hussie apologized using his [[Twitter]] and said that the animation would be available for download on the website [[Megaupload]]. Even then, the traffic to Megaupload crashed that website as well. <ref>{{Cite web | last = Scharfenstein | first = Ben | title = Eager fans cause site to crash as they attempt to view webcomic | work = The Bulldog Bark | date = October 27, 2011 | url = http://www.thebulldogbark.net/entertainment/2011/10/27/eager-fans-cause-site-to-crash-as-they-attempt-to-view-webcomic/ | accessdate = April 21, 2012}}</ref> The comic brought the song [[I'm A Member Of The Midnight Crew]] by [[Eddie Morton]] to internet fame."
-Don't care to rangle this into a usable section, not convinced that this rambling incoherence is necessary, seriously what the heck use does this serve to anyone that isn't already well aware of the subject?
-<small><span class="autosigned">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:209.237.94.3|209.237.94.3]] ([[User talk:209.237.94.3|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/209.237.94.3|contribs]]) 2012-06-12T05:14:05</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned -->
-:I agree with the above trivia being removed from the article; outside of blogs, forums and the student newspaper thebulldogbark.net I could not find any reliable sources mentioning this website crash. -[[User:84user|84user]] ([[User talk:84user|talk]]) 17:26, 12 June 2012 (UTC)
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-== Number of Homestuck protagonists ==
-Until very recently the Homestuck plot summary said it was about four kids. I changed it to say two groups of four kids, to reflect the introduction of the Alpha kids in Act 6. The next editor then changed that to a group of four and a group of twelve, which emphasizes the troll characters over the main protagonists in my opinion.
-I would include all three groups, but then there's the issue of a second group of trolls (fourth group of protagonists) which has been partially introduced, and a fifth group of protagonists whose status is currently uncertain.
-I'm going to leave the article as is for now, on the perhaps flimsy justification that Act 6 is in progress and it might be best to wait until there is firmer information regarding recent plot developments, due to the serial nature of the work.
-Thoughts? [[User:Specs112|<font color="teal">'''Specs112'''</font>]] [[User talk:Specs112|<font color="teal"><small>''t''</small></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specs112|<font color="teal"><small>''c''</small></font>]] 20:24, 19 June 2012 (UTC)
-:John & co. are still the main characters.  I think it was best when it just focused on them.  If we mention all of the characters who are in some way their allies the sentence is going to get unmanageably large fast.  [[User:Wehpudicabok|Wehpudicabok]] ([[User talk:Wehpudicabok|talk]]) 19:03, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
-:Also, I changed it to "teens" because they are aging over the course of the story; as of Act 6 Intermission 2, John is 14.  [[User:Wehpudicabok|Wehpudicabok]] ([[User talk:Wehpudicabok|talk]]) 19:05, 22 June 2012 (UTC)
-::Good idea. Actually, they were teens to start with, since the story began on John's 13th birthday. Although, this could cause confusion. Many fans use "kids" and "teens" even though they're the same age now. "Beta" and "alpha" avoids that.
-::But overall I agree, putting more than just the beta kids in the article overloads it with stuff that a casual reader won't get. [[User:Specs112|<font color="teal">'''Specs112'''</font>]] [[User talk:Specs112|<font color="teal"><small>''t''</small></font>]] [[Special:Contributions/Specs112|<font color="teal"><small>''c''</small></font>]] 14:00, 27 June 2012 (UTC)
-Apparently this exists. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whistles_%28graphic_novel%29 I'm not terribly wiki savvy (perhaps evidenced by the fact that there will probably be a problem with how I'm formatting this), but it doesn't seem like it warrants its own page, but since Hussie himself has no page, I can't really think of where the information would be dumped. Media has to be the weirdest thing to encyclopedize. [[Special:Contributions/50.47.125.50|50.47.125.50]] ([[User talk:50.47.125.50|talk]]) 12:40, 5 August 2012 (UTC)
 == Kickstarter ==
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 Yes, I know - I'm the one who edited those into the article, haha. As a further plus, Google News has started throwing up stuff under the "Homestuck" search string for the first time. Encouraging! [[User:ashdenej|<span title="Hoo hoo hoo."><span style="color: #2ED73A">ashdenej</span></span>]] 21:48, 6 September 2012 (UTC)
-:I've definitely been keeping an eye out. You're just too fast with your ninja editing skills, Ashdenej. I don't have time to do anything. :( <font color="silver">[[User:Silver seren|Silver]]</font><font color="blue">[[User talk:Silver seren|seren]]</font><sup>[[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]]</sup> 04:26, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
+:I've definitely been keeping an eye out. You're just too fast with your ninja editing skills, Ashdenej. I don't have time to do anything. :( [[User:Silver seren|<span style="color:silver;">Silver</span>]][[User talk:Silver seren|<span style="color:blue;">seren</span>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]]</sup> 04:26, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
-:Hah, beat you to that one! <font color="silver">[[User:Silver seren|Silver]]</font><font color="blue">[[User talk:Silver seren|seren]]</font><sup>[[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]]</sup> 04:44, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
+:Hah, beat you to that one! [[User:Silver seren|<span style="color:silver;">Silver</span>]][[User talk:Silver seren|<span style="color:blue;">seren</span>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]]</sup> 04:44, 7 September 2012 (UTC)
 == Split off Homestuck? ==
-Should we split off Homestuck into its own article and just use a [[WP:SUMMARYSTYLE|summary style]] paragraph here and link to it? There's more than enough references and we could definitely expand it to include information about the fandom and beyond that. <font color="silver">[[User:Silver seren|Silver]]</font><font color="blue">[[User talk:Silver seren|seren]]</font><sup>[[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]]</sup> 21:56, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
+Should we split off Homestuck into its own article and just use a [[WP:SUMMARYSTYLE|summary style]] paragraph here and link to it? There's more than enough references and we could definitely expand it to include information about the fandom and beyond that. [[User:Silver seren|<span style="color:silver;">Silver</span>]][[User talk:Silver seren|<span style="color:blue;">seren</span>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]]</sup> 21:56, 2 October 2012 (UTC)
 :I think that's a good idea.  After all, most of the news articles are about Homestuck, not MSPA.  [[User:Wehpudicabok|Wehpudicabok]] ([[User talk:Wehpudicabok|talk]]) 08:31, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
 :Seeing as we just got [[Kickstarter#Top_projects_by_funds_raised|almost 2.5 million dollars]] on Kickstarter, I think it'd be handy if there was somewhere to link to directly. Wehbudicabok makes a good point, too. It really is heartening to see the articles that keep popping up - awfully researched ones notwithstanding. [[User:ashdenej|<span title="Hoo hoo hoo."><span style="color: #2ED73A">ashdenej</span></span>]] 18:47, 4 October 2012 (UTC)
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 :Only if you can find enough reliable sources discussing it to build a decent article. I think it's fine as it is, personally. What more is there to say that isn't in the article already? [[User:Robofish|Robofish]] ([[User talk:Robofish|talk]]) 23:31, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
 ::More detailed plot synopsis, brief character list, a section on the varied stylistic approaches/history, and a reception section are how I would fill a whole article just for HS.  Like what we see on other comics' pages (I'm thinking of [[Megatokyo]] particularly).  I think we could probably get all of that from the sources we already have here, plus that interview Hussie did with Bryan Lee O'Malley.  [[User:Wehpudicabok|Wehpudicabok]] ([[User talk:Wehpudicabok|talk]]) 03:46, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
-:::Though I think a character list would be kinda difficult beyond just the Beta kids, as I don't think many or any of the others have been really described in the news articles, sadly. <font color="silver">[[User:Silver seren|Silver]]</font><font color="blue">[[User talk:Silver seren|seren]]</font><sup>[[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]]</sup> 04:26, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
+:::Though I think a character list would be kinda difficult beyond just the Beta kids, as I don't think many or any of the others have been really described in the news articles, sadly. [[User:Silver seren|<span style="color:silver;">Silver</span>]][[User talk:Silver seren|<span style="color:blue;">seren</span>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]]</sup> 04:26, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
-::A lot of stuff, like what Wehpudicabok just listed, in addition to stuff about the fandom, which is not really represented in the article right now, but has been written about a lot in the news. Not to mention that since the end of the Kickstarter, there's been four more news articles written about Homestuck, including a ridiculously in-depth and long one by the creator of ''[[Scott Pilgrim vs. The World]]'', also mentioned by Wehpudicabok, wherein O'Malley describes Homestuck and also has an interview with Hussie. <font color="silver">[[User:Silver seren|Silver]]</font><font color="blue">[[User talk:Silver seren|seren]]</font><sup>[[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]]</sup> 04:24, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
+::A lot of stuff, like what Wehpudicabok just listed, in addition to stuff about the fandom, which is not really represented in the article right now, but has been written about a lot in the news. Not to mention that since the end of the Kickstarter, there's been four more news articles written about Homestuck, including a ridiculously in-depth and long one by the creator of ''[[Scott Pilgrim vs. The World]]'', also mentioned by Wehpudicabok, wherein O'Malley describes Homestuck and also has an interview with Hussie. [[User:Silver seren|<span style="color:silver;">Silver</span>]][[User talk:Silver seren|<span style="color:blue;">seren</span>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]]</sup> 04:24, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
-* Okay, split has been enacted. We still need to change the wording in the Homestuck paragraph here so it doesn't duplicate the wording in the separate Homestuck article. But other than that, we're good. <font color="silver">[[User:Silver seren|Silver]]</font><font color="blue">[[User talk:Silver seren|seren]]</font><sup>[[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]]</sup> 19:55, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
+* Okay, split has been enacted. We still need to change the wording in the Homestuck paragraph here so it doesn't duplicate the wording in the separate Homestuck article. But other than that, we're good. [[User:Silver seren|<span style="color:silver;">Silver</span>]][[User talk:Silver seren|<span style="color:blue;">seren</span>]]<sup>[[Special:Contributions/Silver seren|C]]</sup> 19:55, 6 October 2012 (UTC)
 == Semi protect request edit on 3 June 2016 ==
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 :{{Not done}} - that is not a semi protected edit request - requests for protection should be made at [[WP:RPP]] - [[User:Arjayay|Arjayay]] ([[User talk:Arjayay|talk]]) 18:34, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
 ::However, as I do not see any vandalism for over 4 months, they won't protect the page in any case. - [[User:Arjayay|Arjayay]] ([[User talk:Arjayay|talk]]) 18:38, 3 July 2016 (UTC)
-==References==