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== Discussion about merging with [[Age of Empires II HD]] == |
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*https://web.archive.org/web/20141207111224/https://news.microsoft.com/1999/11/12/microsoft-age-of-empires-ii-the-age-of-kings-crowned-best-selling-pc-game/ |
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I'm opening discussion on merging [[Age of Empires II HD]] into this article. Due to a lack of distinct information and there being very few changes between the HD and the original version. There are some reviews for an adequate reception section but there is nothing to write about development or design. I don't think a reception section is enough to warrant a separate article. [[User:The1337gamer|The1337gamer]] ([[User talk:The1337gamer|talk]]) 21:51, 3 March 2015 (UTC) |
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*https://web.archive.org/web/20030422012926/http://www.vud.de:80/presse/februar2000.php3 |
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== Suggestions for edit == |
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:Yeah, there's really nothing different between the expansion pack and the actual game, and the Hd article really isn't an article. It would make total sense to just make a small section for it in the main article. Possibly put it in the Development or Sequel section? To me that's the only problem we're facing here: where are we going to merge it? Thatguytestw 19:11, 11 March 2015 (UTC) |
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::Actually, now that I think about it, this is a FEATURED ARTICLE we're dealing with here. We'll/you'll need to be extremely careful to make sure that the new section looks featured-article worthy. Thatguytestw 19:16, 11 March 2015 (UTC) <small><span class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Thatguytestw|Thatguytestw]] ([[User talk:Thatguytestw|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Thatguytestw|contribs]]) </span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Please do look at section [[Age of Empires II#Buildings]], where it says that |
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The Town Center can fire arrows at enemy units within range if villagers or archers are garrisoned while under attack. |
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It is not true that there is necessarily any "attack", whereas it simply fires when any unit enters the line of sight. |
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This only seems accurate to me. Please share your thought about it :) |
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[[User:Hands of the vision|Hands of the vision]] ([[User talk:Hands of the vision|talk]]) 14:31, 17 July 2019 (UTC) |
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Also, please review my edit int the [[Age of Empires II#Units and civilizations]], where I have changed "Seige Weaponry" to "Seige Weapons" |
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:::Merge it, HD article has no body as it is, and if we were to expand it, it would be a copy-past from the original version's article. --[[User:Soetermans|Soetermans]]. [[User talk: Soetermans|'''T''']] / [[Special:Contributions/Soetermans|'''C''']] 11:42, 1 April 2015 (UTC) |
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because that's the form it is referred to in the game. |
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[[User:Hands of the vision|Hands of the vision]] ([[User talk:Hands of the vision|talk]]) 15:05, 17 July 2019 (UTC) |
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:Okay, I understand that the two articles have been merged already, but I think now with the African Kingdoms DLC and more in the works, it would make more sense if AoE2:HD had it's own article. The two games are vastly different in the time they were released, who published them, the ecosystem (Steam), the reception, etc. --[[User:Waqqashanafi|Waqqashanafi]] ([[User talk:Waqqashanafi|talk]]) 04:58, 20 March 2016 (UTC) |
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== Merger proposal == |
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I propose to merge [[Age of Empires II: Definitive Edition]] into this article. Per the consesnsus [[Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Video games/Archive 144#Efforts to split out ports/remakes/sequels from the main article|here]] and [[Talk:The Last of Us Remastered|here]], remasters generally shouldn't have its own article unless the changes are very significant (which is not the case here). [[User:OceanHok|OceanHok]] ([[User talk:OceanHok|talk]]) 12:16, 9 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:Based on what's in the article and the cursory search for more info, it doesn't seem like there's a ton of separate information and distinct development/reception details that couldn't be summarized, so I'd be fine with a merge. [[User:David Fuchs|<span style="color: #cc6600;">Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs</span>]] <sup><small>[[User talk:David Fuchs|<span style="color: #cc6600;">talk</span>]]</small></sup> 18:39, 9 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose''' the changes from original are signficant enough to warrant its own article (I mean this game was released 2 decades after the original so this is not a [[Talk:The Last of Us Remastered]] situation either). The coverage garnered by this game also satifies [[WP:GNG]] as laid out in its [[Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Age of Empires II: Definitive Edition|AFD]] which was a resounding keep and that was even before the game was released. Regards [[User:Spy-cicle|<span style='color: 4019FF;'><b> Spy-cicle💥 </b></span>]] [[User talk:Spy-cicle#top|<sup><span style='color: #1e1e1e;'><b>'''''Talk'''''?</b></span></sup>]] 17:08, 10 December 2020 (UTC) |
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*'''Neutral comment''' I posted this at the other remake article. I think the determinative factor would be whether there is significant coverage of the development of this remake, to show that it has a distinct story from the original. That or an expansion of the reception. Otherwise you could very easily just add the re-release and reception to the main article, as they're currently very short. [[User:Shooterwalker|Shooterwalker]] ([[User talk:Shooterwalker|talk]]) 05:29, 14 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose''' as per Spy-Cicle. [[User:Mark49s|Mark49s]] ([[User talk:Mark49s|talk]]) 16:04, 20 December 2020 (UTC) |
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::*A development section doesn't exist right now. I am not seeing a very strong justification to have it as a standalone article when the parent article can accommodate all these information in a more coherant manner. [[User:OceanHok|OceanHok]] ([[User talk:OceanHok|talk]]) 18:59, 22 December 2020 (UTC) |
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:'''Oppose''' - unlike with the HD Edition, which was basically just porting the game over to Steam and updating the game to work on Windows 8/10, the Definitive Edition is actually a new game in itself. The changes made in the Definitive Edition (graphics, sounds, UI, main menu, new campaigns) are significant enough that the Definitive Edition should have its own article. [[Age of Empires II: Definitive Edition]] has its own separate article for the same reason [[Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen]] has its own separate article. It's an enhanced remake (with enough new features to distinguish itself from the original game) and not just a remaster.—[[User:Mythdon|<span style="color:green">Mythdon</span>]] ([[User talk:Mythdon|<span style="color:teal">talk</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/Mythdon|<span style="color:teal">contribs</span>]]) 19:48, 5 February 2021 (UTC) |
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According to an old [http://www.macworld.com/article/1019227/aoe2.html Macworld article], the Mac OS version was in beta in 2001 and [http://web.archive.org/web/20011102073250/http://www.westlakeinteractive.com/projectstat.html the porter's website] says it hit final by November 1, 2001, so how could it have been released in 1999? -[[User:Einstein95|Logan]] ([[User talk:Einstein95|talk]]) 01:48, 29 April 2015 (UTC) |
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*I have withdrawn the merge request for ''Definitive Edition''. While I still feel that the parent article can handle the information much better, it seems that there is a consensus to keep it. [[User:OceanHok|OceanHok]] ([[User talk:OceanHok|talk]]) 11:15, 4 May 2021 (UTC) |
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== New redirect (for now) for the soon to be new expansion article == |
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As new details and a tease was released for ''The African Kingdoms'' expansion, I decided to make a redirect of it to this article, as a redirect for now, until even more details are released so we can begin working on that article as a whole. The redirect is [[Age of Empires II: The African Kingdoms]]. As its slated for a fall release, we can expect to be able to work on this article sometime in the coming months. —[[User:Mythdon|<font color="green">Mythdon</font>]] 20:16, 24 June 2015 (UTC) |
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The result of the move request was: '''Move.''' Unopposed after 7 days. [[User:Cuchullain|Cúchullain]] [[User talk:Cuchullain|<sup>t</sup>]]/[[Special:Contributions/Cuchullain|<small>c</small>]] 17:34, 14 December 2015 (UTC) |
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[[:Age of Empires II: The Age of Kings]] → {{no redirect|Age of Empires II}} – This game's [[WP:COMMONNAME|common name]], as invoked in the major sources, is not the subtitle (as used throughout this article) but ''Age of Empires 2'' (or II). The official name can be listed in the lede, but otherwise, the game is best known by its shorter version. <span style="background:#F0F0FF; padding:3px 9px 4px">[[User talk:Czar|<span style='font:bold small-caps 1.2em Avenir;color:#B048B5'>czar</span>]]</span> 07:00, 7 December 2015 (UTC) |
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Since the HD release and its multiple expansions, the article was pretty much outdated. The new content, which has sentences like "It includes new maps, campaigns, and units, a new game mode, and numerous balance and gameplay adjustments" appearing twice exactly the same, does not correspond to the quality of the rest of the article. Nevertheless, its biggest problem is sourcing. There are entire sections without any footnote, namely [[Age of Empires II#Singleplayer campaigns|#Singleplayer campaigns]]. Things like "Deathmatch mode allows players to begin with large amounts of resources, creating a focus on military dominance, while in the regicide mode each player is given a king unit, winning by killing all of the other monarchs." also needed a citation, for example. [[User:Épico|<span style="color:black;font-family:Comic Sans;">Épico</span>]] <sup>[[User talk:Épico|(talk)]] [[Special:Contributions/Épico|(contribs)]]</sup> 05:04, 24 January 2017 (UTC) |
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:Don't disagree really, but in the particular case of the Singleplayer campaign section, which basically serves at the plot section of this article, there typically isn't any sourcing. Plot is typically viewed as being sourced to the game itself, so there's usually no need to denote it. -- [[User:Ferret|ferret]] ([[User_talk:Ferret|talk]]) 12:35, 24 January 2017 (UTC) |
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[edit]Hello, Please do look at section Age of Empires II#Buildings, where it says that
The Town Center can fire arrows at enemy units within range if villagers or archers are garrisoned while under attack.
It is not true that there is necessarily any "attack", whereas it simply fires when any unit enters the line of sight. This only seems accurate to me. Please share your thought about it :) Hands of the vision (talk) 14:31, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Also, please review my edit int the Age of Empires II#Units and civilizations, where I have changed "Seige Weaponry" to "Seige Weapons" because that's the form it is referred to in the game.
Hands of the vision (talk) 15:05, 17 July 2019 (UTC)
Merger proposal
[edit]I propose to merge Age of Empires II: Definitive Edition into this article. Per the consesnsus here and here, remasters generally shouldn't have its own article unless the changes are very significant (which is not the case here). OceanHok (talk) 12:16, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Based on what's in the article and the cursory search for more info, it doesn't seem like there's a ton of separate information and distinct development/reception details that couldn't be summarized, so I'd be fine with a merge. Der Wohltemperierte Fuchs talk 18:39, 9 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose the changes from original are signficant enough to warrant its own article (I mean this game was released 2 decades after the original so this is not a Talk:The Last of Us Remastered situation either). The coverage garnered by this game also satifies WP:GNG as laid out in its AFD which was a resounding keep and that was even before the game was released. Regards Spy-cicle💥 Talk? 17:08, 10 December 2020 (UTC)
- Neutral comment I posted this at the other remake article. I think the determinative factor would be whether there is significant coverage of the development of this remake, to show that it has a distinct story from the original. That or an expansion of the reception. Otherwise you could very easily just add the re-release and reception to the main article, as they're currently very short. Shooterwalker (talk) 05:29, 14 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose as per Spy-Cicle. Mark49s (talk) 16:04, 20 December 2020 (UTC)
- A development section doesn't exist right now. I am not seeing a very strong justification to have it as a standalone article when the parent article can accommodate all these information in a more coherant manner. OceanHok (talk) 18:59, 22 December 2020 (UTC)
- Oppose - unlike with the HD Edition, which was basically just porting the game over to Steam and updating the game to work on Windows 8/10, the Definitive Edition is actually a new game in itself. The changes made in the Definitive Edition (graphics, sounds, UI, main menu, new campaigns) are significant enough that the Definitive Edition should have its own article. Age of Empires II: Definitive Edition has its own separate article for the same reason Pokémon FireRed and LeafGreen has its own separate article. It's an enhanced remake (with enough new features to distinguish itself from the original game) and not just a remaster.—Mythdon (talk • contribs) 19:48, 5 February 2021 (UTC)
- I have withdrawn the merge request for Definitive Edition. While I still feel that the parent article can handle the information much better, it seems that there is a consensus to keep it. OceanHok (talk) 11:15, 4 May 2021 (UTC)