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In this english version of Wikipedia, there seems to be a few Swedish patriots who desire to color the history of neighboring countries and the Swedish position by introducing and maintaining Swedish forms of names, in cases where the locals certainly used other languages. |
In this english version of Wikipedia, there seems to be a few Swedish patriots who desire to color the history of neighboring countries and the Swedish position by introducing and maintaining Swedish forms of names, in cases where the locals certainly used other languages. |
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I have noticed this trend too, but I at least try to keep all names to their English varieties, even in the cases wehere they are most definitely Swedish names, as in the case of Gustavus Adolphus which I as a swede most definitely know as Gustav II Adolf. |
I have noticed this trend too, but I at least try to keep all names to their English varieties, even in the cases wehere they are most definitely Swedish names, as in the case of Gustavus Adolphus which I as a swede most definitely know as Gustav II Adolf. |
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I assume anglifying names is the correct way of doing things (?) |
I assume anglifying names is the correct way of doing things (?) (unsigned) |
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Being one of those Swedish patriots, I'll rather refrain from editing this topic, so I'll just comment here. Is the final line relevant? It refers to the third war between the two states after this treaty, a whole century later. (Petrograd from Swedish Wikipedia, 16 Nov 2006) |
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== StolbovA - StolbovO == |
== StolbovA - StolbovO == |
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: Please do not forget to sign your entries by typing four tildas like this <nowiki>~~~~</nowiki> |
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: --[[User:Gene s|Gene s]] 14:01, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC) |
: --[[User:Gene s|Gene s]] 14:01, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC) |
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::Well alright, then I stand corrected. I was under the impression that the Russian name too was Stolbova, but you obviously know this better than I do. I stand corrected and enlightened. |
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::Stolbovo it is :) |
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::[[User:Moquel|Moquel]] 04:42, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC) |
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== Date == |
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The date in the article (27 February) is according the the New Style/Gregorian Calendar. However, both Sweden and Russia were at this time using the Old Style/Julian Calendar, in which it was 17 February. Shouldn't this at least be noted somehow? In my opinion, it should be listed as 17 February, with (possibly) 27 February in parenthesis. /[[User:Ludde23|Ludde23]] <sup>[[User talk:Ludde23|Talk]] [[Special:Contributions/Ludde23|Contrib]]</sup> 23:38, 10 January 2012 (UTC) |
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A fact from Treaty of Stolbovo appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 16 May 2004. The text of the entry was as follows:
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[edit]In this english version of Wikipedia, there seems to be a few Swedish patriots who desire to color the history of neighboring countries and the Swedish position by introducing and maintaining Swedish forms of names, in cases where the locals certainly used other languages.
213.243.157.114 23:23, 3 Jul 2004 (UTC)
I have noticed this trend too, but I at least try to keep all names to their English varieties, even in the cases wehere they are most definitely Swedish names, as in the case of Gustavus Adolphus which I as a swede most definitely know as Gustav II Adolf. I assume anglifying names is the correct way of doing things (?) (unsigned)
Being one of those Swedish patriots, I'll rather refrain from editing this topic, so I'll just comment here. Is the final line relevant? It refers to the third war between the two states after this treaty, a whole century later. (Petrograd from Swedish Wikipedia, 16 Nov 2006)
StolbovA - StolbovO
[edit]Encyclopædia Britannica has this entry as Stolbovo. --Gene s 06:06, 21 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Stolbovo?
[edit]What? Seriously? When entering "Stolbovo" into google it even asks if I typed "Stolbova" wrong. Likewise, a search for "Treaty of Stolbova" turns up 5 times as many hits as "Treaty of Stolbovo", which should mean it's the probably predominant spelling used in the English language for the city in question, right?
- "What? Seriously?". Yes, seriously. What makes you think it's a joke? Enc Brit has it as StolbovO http://www.britannica.com/eb/article?tocId=9069785
- When you look at the google stats, keep in mind that a lot of hits are copies of this article. Until recently, this article had it as StolbovA thus greatly contributing to overall numbers. The Russian name of the town is also StolbovO.
- Please do not forget to sign your entries by typing four tildas like this ~~~~
- --Gene s 14:01, 23 Jan 2005 (UTC)
- Well alright, then I stand corrected. I was under the impression that the Russian name too was Stolbova, but you obviously know this better than I do. I stand corrected and enlightened.
- Stolbovo it is :)
- Moquel 04:42, 24 Jan 2005 (UTC)
Date
[edit]The date in the article (27 February) is according the the New Style/Gregorian Calendar. However, both Sweden and Russia were at this time using the Old Style/Julian Calendar, in which it was 17 February. Shouldn't this at least be noted somehow? In my opinion, it should be listed as 17 February, with (possibly) 27 February in parenthesis. /Ludde23 Talk Contrib 23:38, 10 January 2012 (UTC)
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