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==Awards pages== |
== Awards pages == |
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This article links to several different pages addressing PWI awards. Is there any reason the awards pages can't be streamlined into a single page? It's really not that much information, and each page linked to in the awards section ends up being quite small. Call it an annoyance if you will, but I was just looking through Wrestling Observer's awards list, and I personally find that format much prefered over the format used to list former PWI award winners. [[User:Smokachu|Smokachu]] 2:39, 19 May 2007 (UTC) |
This article links to several different pages addressing PWI awards. Is there any reason the awards pages can't be streamlined into a single page? It's really not that much information, and each page linked to in the awards section ends up being quite small. Call it an annoyance if you will, but I was just looking through Wrestling Observer's awards list, and I personally find that format much prefered over the format used to list former PWI award winners. [[User:Smokachu|Smokachu]] 2:39, 19 May 2007 (UTC) |
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Aren't the PWI awards just given out by staff writers? I've read several times that the results are chosen by the staff and the fans votes aren't actually counted. Has anyone else heard this? |
Aren't the PWI awards just given out by staff writers? I've read several times that the results are chosen by the staff and the fans votes aren't actually counted. Has anyone else heard this? |
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[[middleeasternfilms|middleeasternfilms]] 23:04, 21 July 2007 |
[[middleeasternfilms|middleeasternfilms]] 23:04, 21 July 2007 |
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==Sweeping Statments== |
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The article seems to make a lot of sweeping statements of dubious veracity, without backing any of it up, and sometimes contradicting itself. For instance, "PWI has always been a big seller," followed later by "But PWI still has enough sales to stay alive." In addition, the article reeks of bias, with statements like "They always have good pictures." According to whom? I am going to do some cleanup and try and make it more NPOV. Any thoughts? --[[User:Pathogen1014|Pathogen]] 05:38, 9 May 2005 (UTC) |
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:I think you're right. The History section is particularly biased. Also, what are the "PWI years"? Is that just "since the early 70s"? [[User:Gwalla|<nowiki></nowiki>]] — [[User:Gwalla|Gwalla]] | [[User talk:Gwalla|Talk]] 21:45, 18 May 2005 (UTC) |
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:::Not having ever read PWI, I would imagine it means "Years in which PWI has been published." --[[User:Pathogen1014|Pathogen]] 19:34, 24 May 2005 (UTC) |
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::::The PWI years mentioned in the special was the 20 years the magazine had been published. I don't know why the 500 of the PWI years is listed as being in 03. I believe it was in the winter months between 98 and 99. --Talison 02:48, 8 January 2007 (UTC) |
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:::::Actually, PWI is still around to this date. It's hard to find recent issues like the wrestling boom years of 1998-2001, but they're still around.--[[User:Raderick|Raderick]] 05:01, 21 May 2006 (UTC) |
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==Publishing Date== |
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Someone please explain, if PWI began publication in 1979, then why are there awards going back to 1972.?[[User:Vinnyxvincent|Vinnyxvincent]] 00:46, 3 August 2006 (UTC) |
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:Because PWI is part of a family of Wrestling Magazines that predate 79. The Awards are now exclusive to PWI, but I believe they were carried by the other magazines originally. --Talison 02:48, 8 January 2007 (UTC) |
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== Top 500 in 2006 == |
== Top 500 in 2006 == |
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The top 500 of 2006 has not been published, so Cena can't be the winner... (or Joe like I read weeks ago). I deleted it. |
The top 500 of 2006 has not been published, so Cena can't be the winner... (or Joe like I read weeks ago). I deleted it. |
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:::And one more, this time it's a warning. (14 september 2006). |
:::And one more, this time it's a warning. (14 september 2006). |
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== PWI did not recognize three world titles to begin with == |
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I'm 99% sure that the WWWF title was NOT recognized as a world title by PWI until well into Hulk Hogan's first title reign. Anyone back me up on that? <small>—The preceding [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|unsigned]] comment was added by [[Special:Contributions/66.188.8.159|66.188.8.159]] ([[User talk:66.188.8.159|talk]]) 03:18, 11 December 2006 (UTC).</small><!-- HagermanBot Auto-Unsigned --> |
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::Actually they recognized it from the beginning. At one point in Backlund's reigh they stripped recognition because Backlund had not defended against enough "scientific competitors." Recognition was restored around the time of Hogan's first reign and PWI has since stated that it was a mistake to remove recognition. They now consider the WWE Title's entire history as being a World Title. --Talison 02:48, 8 January 2007 (UTC) |
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The table currently has the title recognised as a world championship from January 25, 1963 onwards, despite the fact that the WWE Championship didnt even come into existance until April 29, 1963. How did they manage to recognise a championship which didnt exist as a World Title? Then again we all know the PWI guidelines as to what makes a "World Title" are not taken seriously by anybody in the wrestling business anyway. [[User:SubzeroWrestling|SubzeroWrestling]] ([[User talk:SubzeroWrestling|talk]]) 22:04, 29 July 2008 (UTC) |
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:January 25 (24 actually) is the date NWA champion Lou Thesz defeated Buddy Rodgers which led to the wwwf spliting from the nwa. I guess someone made a mistake. I've corrected the dates. As for PWI not being take seriously, I can see why, but the article never states that what PWI claims is the truth. This is simply an article about a magazine and its personal criteria. [[User:Secretaria|Secretaria]] ([[User talk:Secretaria|talk]]) 02:20, 30 July 2008 (UTC) |
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== Someone changed the Top 500 section == |
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<blockquote> |
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Singles Wrestlers |
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The top five singles wrestlers were: |
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1. Flag of United States The Shockmaster |
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2. Flag of Argentina Giant Gonzalez |
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3. Flag of United States Bastion Booger |
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4. Template:Country data parts unknown The Zombie |
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5. Flag of United States Brian Christopher |
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Who ever is in charge of this page should probably fix that. |
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[[User:Nhceltics|Nhceltics]] 18:17, 31 May 2007 (UTC) |
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* The list of 2007 is completely wrong. --[[Special:Contributions/84.185.97.36|84.185.97.36]] ([[User talk:84.185.97.36|talk]]) 03:27, 30 November 2007 (UTC) |
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== I've brought in the tables from the merged articles == |
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Seems like a no-brainer. That's what people who voted 'keep' wanted to keep, and we were starting to have a consensus formed when the AFD closed. I'm certainly fine with this, and at, now, 42 KB the article is big, but not excessively so. The placement and the heading hierarchy on the tables could probably use some work, but otherwise I think this arrangement ought to be satisfactory all around. It was certainly not helpful to simply redirect the old article titles to the sections of this one, which contained almost none of the content the old articles had (my apologies if further movement of content was planned but not yet executed), and as I said the article now is big but hardly massive. Sounds like win-win to me. [[User:Tromboneguy0186|Tromboneguy0186]] ([[User talk:Tromboneguy0186|talk]]) 10:07, 21 January 2008 (UTC) |
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== What Happend To This Table == |
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i used to view a pwi list of world championships regine by lenth but a few days ago i tryed to find it and got reverted to this artical could some one tell me where that table is i found the table of world champions and how many they have but i'm after the one that says john cena 770 days <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/172.202.181.53|172.202.181.53]] ([[User talk:172.202.181.53|talk]]) 23:20, 8 March 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:I've added the list of world title reigns by length in the number of reigns list. [[User:Secretaria|Secretaria]] 18:10, 13 April 2008 (UTC) |
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::where is The table exactly? and why was it remove in The first place??? |
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:::that's whay I'd like to know...--[[Special:Contributions/74.178.227.26|74.178.227.26]] ([[User talk:74.178.227.26|talk]]) 01:10, 12 January 2010 (UTC) |
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== Link redirects Here == |
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refering to the messiage above there was a table that states each world champions lenght in days and everytime i find the link it redirects here --[[User:Devil Thunderbolt|KCDavis]] ([[User talk:Devil Thunderbolt|talk]]) 23:24, 15 March 2008 (UTC) |
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==PWI Recognizes Angles NWA Title Win== |
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http://pwi-online.com/pages/readastoryleft.html <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.139.11.251|71.139.11.251]] ([[User talk:71.139.11.251|talk]]) 19:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:I think the nwa mentio is a mistake. The article calls him an 8-time world champion ( WWE (4), (1), World Heavyweight (1) and TNA (2)) so they must've put nwa by mistake. It's weird. PWI can't recognise a reign that's not recognised by the NWA. I always assumed that angle's victory had been nullified when cornette stripped him of the title (like jericho when he won the wwe championship in 00, owen hart in 94 or goldberg in wcw in 00). Since the article contradicts itself I don't think it should be accountable. [[User: Secretaria|Secretaria]] 23:43, 3 April 2008 (UTC) |
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Well this page is about what PWI thinks, not the NWA, TNA also recognizes it. And maybe they wrote this article before he won back the TNA title, hell sting had it for only 2 weeks so maybe they just forgot. But it does say NWA--[[User:Tboneangle|Tboneangle]] ([[User talk:Tboneangle|talk]]) 21:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:Well, that's just your guess. An article with contradictions is not valid proof. This is an encyclopedia not the "user's guesses website". Until PWI makes a clear statement about it we should just say we don't know PWI's view on the subject. [[User: Secretaria|Secretaria]] 16:45, 4 April 2008 (UTC) |
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I just ordered the PWI 2008 Almanac,if this says he was an NWA champion then it will be final!--[[User:Tboneangle|Tboneangle]] ([[User talk:Tboneangle|talk]]) 22:46, 25 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:How do you figure that? PWI's interpretation of the history of a wrestling championship doesn't supercede that of a promotion or governing body that owns it. In every article, the view of the promotion or governing body which owns a title takes prescadent over the views of any other source, even if it's a view that PWI might not necessarily agree with. The fact that the National Wrestling Alliance considers the NWA World Championship to be a "world" title and PWI doesn't is a good example of that. You don't see the NWA dropping "world" from the title's name just because PWI doesn't recognize it's "world" title status.[[User:Odin's Beard|Odin's Beard]] ([[User talk:Odin's Beard|talk]]) 00:42, 28 April 2008 (UTC) |
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well this article is about what PWI considers,so if pwi considers Angle to be a former NWA champion, then we put it in.Im not saying NWA considers it,but sincce thsi IS the PWI page, even if PWI said they consider Shark Boy to be a WWE champion, we put it in.--[[User:Tboneangle|Tboneangle]] ([[User talk:Tboneangle|talk]]) 19:08, 28 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Wikipedia is an online encyclopedia, not a PWI forum. Information that is knowingly false can't go into the articles. Kurt Angle can't be referred to as a former NWA World Champion if the NWA doesn't recognize him as one.[[User:Odin's Beard|Odin's Beard]] ([[User talk:Odin's Beard|talk]]) 22:35, 28 April 2008 (UTC) |
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::Odin's Beard has a point. The article lists what Pro Wrestling Illustrated is about, it's various awards, and which championships it recognizes as World championships. PWI, however, doesn't determine who wins a championship and who doesn't. That falls squarely within the boundaries of whoever owns the championship in question, not industry trade magazines.[[Special:Contributions/4.225.11.8|4.225.11.8]] ([[User talk:4.225.11.8|talk]]) 01:04, 29 April 2008 (UTC) |
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then why have a list of wrestlers who have held belts and how many times they have had it?--[[Special:Contributions/71.139.15.212|71.139.15.212]] ([[User talk:71.139.15.212|talk]]) 07:37, 12 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:It takes more than merely having physical possession of a championship belt to be recognized as a champion. The promotion or governing body that controls a championship must recognize the win and reign. By PWI's recognition, Ric Flair is a 16 time World Champion. WWE also calls him a 16 time World Champion, but these view points aren't "official" because there's nothing or no one in pro wrestling that can ultimately dictate which title is or isn't a "world" championship. It's something that', technically, is completely arbitrary. Flair's actual tally of winning championships bearing the name of a "World Heavyweight Championship" is 21. Wikipedia doesn't exclude the "World Heavyweight Championship" wins and reigns with championships PWI doesn't recognize. There are wrestlers listed in the championship history of some articles that aren't officially recognized by the promotions because they did have physical possession of the titles after winning matches. As I aluded to earlier, however, a championship is just a hunk of metal and leather without company recognition. We can include those wrestlers and mention in their articles, like Antonio Inoki, the incident regarding the WWE Championship. But Inoki can't be called a former WWE Champion by us because the WWE doesn't recognize him as so. Doing otherwise would be substituting our personal opinions over that of WWE, which owns and controls the WWE Championship. Exact same thing goes with PWI and the NWA World Heavyweight Championship. It's mentioned in Kurt Angle's article the incident involving the NWA World Heavyweight Championship, but that's it. He can't be a former NWA World Heavyweight Champion, at least by Wikipedia, if the NWA doesn't recognize him as one.[[User:Odin's Beard|Odin's Beard]] ([[User talk:Odin's Beard|talk]]) 23:43, 15 May 2008 (UTC) |
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:: This discussion can finally be settled. From PWI: '''June 17: Kurt Angle defeats Samoa Joe, A.J. Styles, Christian Cage, and Chris Harris in a “King Of The Mountain” match at Slammiversary to become the first official TNA World heavyweight champion one month after his NWA World title victory had been declared null and void.''' [[User:Secretaria|Secretaria]] ([[User talk:Secretaria|talk]]) 03:00, 11 July 2008 (UTC) |
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But where is your link? [[Special:Contributions/41.245.156.70|41.245.156.70]] ([[User talk:41.245.156.70|talk]]) 10:14, 21 September 2008 (UTC) |
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:Sorry, here's the link: [http://pwi-online.com/pages/wrestlingframe.html]. Then you have to search for '''June 17, 2007'''. [[User:Secretaria|Secretaria]] ([[User talk:Secretaria|talk]]) 20:45, 21 September 2008 (UTC) |
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== Kane? == |
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Should not be listed as a 2-time World Champion. I would edit it, but am not sure how to do it without messing everything else up.... <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/137.158.152.207|137.158.152.207]] ([[User talk:137.158.152.207|talk]]) 09:56, 29 April 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Currently, PWI doesn't recognize the ECW Championship as a "World" championship. Labeling a title as a "World" title is something that is completely artitrary. There is no one source for all of pro wrestling that decides which titles are "World" titles and which aren't. What that means is that if I ever began a wrestling promotion, I could declare my primary singles and tag titles to be "World" titles and it would technically have as much validity as any "World" title that PWI recognizes. The WWE, I believe, does consider the ECW Championship to be a "World" title. At WrestleMania, the Big Show was referred to as a 5-time World Champion. As a singles wrestler, he's won the WCW and WWE Championships each twice. So, the fifth "World" title the WWE referred to has to be the ECW Championship. But, we can't state in this article that Kane is a 2 time "World" Champion because we can't dictate PWI's standards for world title recognition. Now, if there was one single entity or organization or official governing body or committee or something that all of pro wrestling could agree upon to recognize "World" titles, then that'd be a different story.[[User:Odin's Beard|Odin's Beard]] ([[User talk:Odin's Beard|talk]]) 13:15, 29 April 2008 (UTC) |
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The table isn't consistant anyways because it also says Rob Van Dam and Vince McMahon won the ECW title when it had world status, but Big Show, Lashley, Nitro, Punk and Chavo aren't on the list. (I'm not saying they should be on, I'm just saying the table is wrong.) [[User:Kirby17|Kirby17]] ([[User talk:Kirby17|talk]]) 16:35, 29 April 2008 (UTC) |
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:The table is fixed. [[User:Secretaria|Secretaria]] ([[User talk:Secretaria|talk]]) 21:59, 29 April 2008 (UTC) |
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The ECW title is NOT considered a world title by PWI, because it isn't even recognized by WWE. Two examples for you: 1. ECW's champion not only is placed into the Royal Rumble, but ECW's champion competed in Money in the Bank, which means that the ECW champion is not a highest-level WWE title. 2. On the 3 hour Raw with the Trump sale, CM Punk told Matt Hardy, a former ECW champion, that he had never held a world title. That's proof enough for me that ECW is a major brand title, but not a world title. seantherebel 1 July 2009 <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Seantherebel|Seantherebel]] ([[User talk:Seantherebel|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Seantherebel|contribs]]) 06:10, 2 July 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:You're forgetting about the time when the Undertaker won the Royal Rumble. After he won the 2007 Rumble, it was said he got a championship match at WM. On Raw, about a week after the Rumble, WWE Champ John Cena, World Champ Batista, and ECW Champ Bobby Lashley all out in the ring, where Taker made his choice by chokeslamming Batista.[[User:Odin's Beard|Odin's Beard]] ([[User talk:Odin's Beard|talk]]) 22:34, 2 July 2009 (UTC) |
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::Plus before this year's mania, an article regarding Christian Cage was posted by WWE saying he has yet to win a world championship (bullshit). After he won the ECW Belt at Backlash, WWE stated he finally accomplished that dream.--[[User:Wrestlinglover|<font color="Red">'''Will'''</font>]][[User talk:Wrestlinglover|<font color="Blue">'''C'''</font>]] 23:03, 2 July 2009 (UTC) |
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==Gold Standard== |
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What makes the PWI the gold standard why do they get to decide what a World Championship is? Isn't a World Championhip a title that is defended around the world? <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/76.202.133.230|76.202.133.230]] ([[User talk:76.202.133.230|talk]]) 23:59, 9 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:It's their own criteria, it doesn't mean anything nor is official. But this is a page about PWI and their criteria should be included. [[User: Secretaria|Secretaria]] 05:50, 10 July 2008 (UTC) |
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== 2008 PWI 500 == |
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Randy Orton is #1 according to the PWI website, not Edge. <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/71.173.51.246|71.173.51.246]] ([[User talk:71.173.51.246|talk]]) 03:09, 20 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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==ECW championship== |
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PWI now recognises the WWE's version of this championship from June 13th last year onwards, someone needs to add these previous and the current ECW champions to the table of world champions <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Nosnekid|Nosnekid]] ([[User talk:Nosnekid|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Nosnekid|contribs]]) 17:02, 24 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Post a source and I'll do it. [[User: Secretaria|Secretaria]] 2:56, 25 July 2008 (UTC) |
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Is this mentioned in a magazine, or online? Also, why June 13 2007? [[Special:Contributions/41.245.156.10|41.245.156.10]] ([[User talk:41.245.156.10|talk]]) 07:15, 25 July 2008 (UTC) |
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I noticed it in the paragraph above the table of world champions, but I am unaware of it's source or who posted it. Although since then this information has been changed to July 1st 2008. I don't know which is true but did feel there needed to be something done about it [[User:Nosnekid|Nosnekid]] ([[User talk:Nosnekid|talk]]) 12:51, 25 July 2008 (UTC) |
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:Yeah some guy made several edits claiming that PWI started to recognize the ecw championship as a world title since July 1 a few days ago without a source. Until someone give a source I'm gonna revert the info. [[User: Secretaria|Secretaria]] 17:10, 25 July 2008 (UTC) |
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June 13th, 2006 was the night that Rob Van Dam was presented with the ECW World Title on the very first episode of ECW on Sci-Fi live in Trenton, NJ. He won the WWE Championship on 11/6/06 at One Night Stand for the ECW Brand, but was not declared the ECW Champion until Tuesday the 13th when Paul Heyman awarded him the ECW title and made him a dual champion. http://www.wwe.com/shows/ecw/archive/061320061/ - June 13th 2006 ECW Report http://www.wwe.com/shows/ecw/history/ecwchampionship/ - ECW Title History from the WWE Website (which incidentally, is the correct version as accepted by the wrestling industry and traces the lineage back to the original ECW) [[User:SubzeroWrestling|SubzeroWrestling]] ([[User talk:SubzeroWrestling|talk]]) 21:58, 29 July 2008 (UTC) |
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==Jerry Lawler== |
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Could someone please explain why Jerry lawler is listed as having 2 AWAv World Championship reigns please. His page, the AWA Championship page and the USWA Unified World Heavyweight Championship page all indicate that he only held the AWA World Championship once, and i don't believe (which i know counts for nothing but nevertheless)that PWI ever recognised the USWA Champinship or the WCCW Championship as World Championships, and if they did that would mean Lawlers World Championship count would be far greater than 2. [[User:Theincomparablebigci|Theincomparablebigci]] <small>—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/86.149.17.102|86.149.17.102]] ([[User talk:86.149.17.102|talk]]) 16:26, 31 July 2008 (UTC)</small><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Well, actually you saw it wrong. Lawler is listed as a one time AWA world champion, but he's also a former TWO time AWA tag team champion so it's you probably saw the wrong board.[[User:Secretaria|Secretaria]] ([[User talk:Secretaria|talk]]) 20:00, 31 July 2008 (UTC) |
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== Way too long == |
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I think we should put the lists back into their own articles, it takes too long to scroll down and just looks cumbersome, especially the Tag title list, because everyone has a tag title and doesn't need to be mentioned on this page. This page should just be about PWI the magazine, with links to both lists. It's just more convenient to make this shorter, but then again, the wrestling pages have really steered clear from convenience in favor of stupid rules these days. |
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[[User:Donco|Donco]] ([[User talk:Donco|talk]]) 21:15, 31 August 2008 (UTC) |
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==Umm.. Just curious== |
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Is it really up to PWI as to weather or not a Wrestling Championship is considered World Status or not? --[[User:Gtadood|Gtadood]] ([[User talk:Gtadood|talk]]) 20:50, 5 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:No... But this is a page about PWI and its criteria not wrestling in general. [[User:Secretaria|Secretaria]] 21:34, 5 October 2008 (UTC) |
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So, is The [[ECW Championship]] Considered [[World Championship (Wrestling)|World Championship]] Status or Not? --[[User:Gtadood|Gtadood]] ([[User talk:Gtadood|talk]]) 18:56, 6 October 2008 (UTC) |
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:By PWI it's not. By WWE it is. It's really up to you to decide if given belt has a world title status. I mean the ecw championship never main evented on his own at a wwe ppv but ecw has better ratings than tna so you decide on your own. [[User:Secretaria|Secretaria]] 00:16, 6 October 2008 (UTC) |
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Well it was the main event to December to dismember in an elimination chamber match so i guess it is, even though it doesn't mean as much as the Original ECW Title. ANYWAYS, i'm not going to continue here. --[[User:Gtadood|Gtadood]] ([[User talk:Gtadood|talk]]) 02:20, 7 October 2008 (UTC) |
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== Sting's first WCW World Heavyweight reign == |
== Sting's first WCW World Heavyweight reign == |
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Why doesn't PWI recognize this one? [[Special:Contributions/41.245.165.219|41.245.165.219]] ([[User talk:41.245.165.219|talk]]) 10:38, 13 October 2008 (UTC) |
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::It is recognized. It's on the list. |
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Dear, anonymous poster...it's NOT on the list! PWI begins the WCW World Title's existence as of January 11 1991. But Stine had a WCW World Title reign BEFORE that. I understand why they don't recognize the ECW World Title before mid-1999, but why not the original WCW World Title before January 11 1991. Strange indeed! [[Special:Contributions/41.245.129.121|41.245.129.121]] ([[User talk:41.245.129.121|talk]]) 12:55, 19 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:The wcw championship lineage begun on january 11, 1991. before that wcw used the nwa championship as their world title so that reign you're talking about it's sting's first nwa championship reign. [[User:Secretaria|Secretaria]] ([[User talk:Secretaria|talk]]) 17:00, 19 November 2008 (UTC) |
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The NWA ceased functioning as an organization as of late 1990. Sting was even called "WCW Champion" around Starrcade 1990(am searching for thing to upload...). By the time Flair pinned him on January 11 1991, the NWA championship was history, and Sting was WCW World Champion. [[Special:Contributions/41.245.129.121|41.245.129.121]] ([[User talk:41.245.129.121|talk]]) 09:59, 20 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:Actually the NWA still exists today. WCW might have called Sting a WCW champion and the nwa name might have been phased out at the time but ultimately there was still a nwa board of directors recognizing sting as their champion. The two companies only officialy split after ric flair left wcw for the wwf when the nwa didn't want to recognize lex luger as their champion and recognized Masa Chono instead. Some years later, they recognized Tatsumi Fujinami's ghost reign from march to may 1991. Since it was with flair's reign which begun on january 11, 1991 that the two lineages split that's when the wcw championship history officialy begun. Also that's they way its recognized by the WWE, who now own WCW and have the final say on who was and wasn't wcw champion (like rectroactively recognizing benoit as a former wcw champion when wcw never did). Also, it has been said above in this page that flair was called the nwa/wcw champion by PWI. [[User:Secretaria|Secretaria]] ([[User talk:Secretaria|talk]]) 20:00, 20 November 2008 (UTC) |
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Actually the NWA ceased functioning from cDecember 1990 until mid-1992. Sting was only the WCW World Champion as of January 10 1991. I accept that this is '''PWI''' 's version of history, but it should be noted that their take is not entirely accurate. Also, Luger was WCW Champion from July 1991 to February 1992, and Chono only won the revived NWA Title in August 1992 when Luger was under contract to the WWF. The NWA(and PWI) have rewritten history to make themselves look better, WCW look worse, and WWE have promoted it as fact. So, yes since this is the PWI page it should reflect PWI's (inaccurate) version, but a footnote should be added explaining what really happened and didn't happen. [[Special:Contributions/41.245.166.168|41.245.166.168]] ([[User talk:41.245.166.168|talk]]) 12:45, 21 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:Ok, I guess you seem to know more about it than me, but this might be a disscussion for the wcw and nwa world championship pages before it's adressed in this one since this page is following the lineages on the pages of those championships. [[User:Secretaria|Secretaria]] ([[User talk:Secretaria|talk]]) 17:30, 22 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::Alright, I was just checking out the history pages and the thing is if the nwa closed c. december 1990, sting still won the championship on july as a nwa champion so i guess it's counted as an nwa championship reign. Also, there's that whole flair/fujinami debacle in 91, so I'm not sure the nwa really closed between 90 an 92. [[User:Secretaria|Secretaria]] ([[User talk:Secretaria|talk]]) 17:50, 22 November 2008 (UTC) |
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it's sorta like the Team 3D Tag Title reign in TNA. They won the NWA titles in TNA, then the TNA-NWA business arrangement ended(albeit under very different circumstances). TNA continued to recognize them as "Tag Team Champions", and even today credit them with a single Tag Title reign in TNA. But it's 2 different titles. They never lost the first or really ever won the second, the one just took over from the other as a continuous reign. [[Special:Contributions/41.245.166.168|41.245.166.168]] ([[User talk:41.245.166.168|talk]]) 09:16, 23 November 2008 (UTC) |
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== The Sandman == |
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The Sandman is a FIVE -time ECW World Heavyweight Champion, yet isn't listed as such here! What is the story with that? [[User:Lmeso|Lmeso]] ([[User talk:Lmeso|talk]]) 14:24, 27 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:Though PWI recognizes the sandman as a former five-time ecw champion, it only gives world title status to that championship from 1999 to 2001, ence the sandman is listed once on the list of world champions. [[User:Secretaria|Secretaria]] ([[User talk:Secretaria|talk]]) 8:12, 28 November 2008 (UTC) |
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== WCW World Title after March 2001 == |
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How come Chris Jericho is listed with a WCW World Title reign? If PWI stopped recognizing the WCW World Heavyweight Title after March 2001, then Chris Jericho was never a WCW World Heavyweight Champion, right? By the same token.. the Dudleyz Tag Title reigns, and a few other title reigns should be edited accordingly...[[Special:Contributions/64.136.26.230|64.136.26.230]] ([[User talk:64.136.26.230|talk]]) 09:33, 7 January 2009 (UTC) |
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The title was controlled by WCW until March 2001. That's all the table says. WWF controlled the title until December 2001. Pwi recognizes the belt during this period(but not curiously, prior to January 11 1991). [[Special:Contributions/41.245.155.132|41.245.155.132]] ([[User talk:41.245.155.132|talk]]) 10:30, 8 January 2009 (UTC) |
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::That is because Mid-Atlantic's NWA World Tag Team Championship was a territorial title until WCW split from the NWA and the title was renamed to WCW World Tag Team Championship.<sup>--[[User:3bulletproof16|<font color="blue">'''Unquestionable'''</font>]][[User talk:3bulletproof16|<font color="green">'''Truth'''</font>]]--</sup> 10:28, 9 January 2009 (UTC) |
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Er, this is about the WCW World Heavyweight Championship. [[Special:Contributions/41.245.155.132|41.245.155.132]] ([[User talk:41.245.155.132|talk]]) 12:58, 9 January 2009 (UTC) |
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== What About Raven? == |
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I don't know how to edit a page, and would feel bad messing up the list of World Champions. However I did find that Raven isn't listed on PWI list of champions. He was a 2 time ECW and 1 time NWA champion. When PWI restored world title status to the NWA title, I read in an issue that they were recogizing Champions from 1994 to when TNA controlled the title. If they did the same for ECW, then Raven should be in the table as a 3 time champion. I just wanted to point that out. Thank you. Josh dje9@yahoo.com <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/99.190.80.74|99.190.80.74]] ([[User talk:99.190.80.74|talk]]) 22:53, 12 February 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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: PWI restored the NWA world title status since the birth of TNA, that is since 2002. The same never happened to the ECW championship, ence PWI only recognizes Raven as a 1 time world champion. [[User:Secretaria|Secretaria]] 12:50, 1# February 2009 (UTC) |
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==World Titles currently recognized by PWI== |
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It is well documented that PWI has recognized the WWE and World Heavyweight titles in WWE as world titles (differentiated as Raw World Championship and SmackDown World Championship) as well as the TNA World title. However, I recently subscribed to PWI and a concern was soon brought to my attention. Looking through the past issue I noticed that PWI's differentiation of WWE's Raw and SmackDown world titles has been abandoned. In fact, the only use of the term "world title" has only been in reference to the World Heavyweight Championship of SmackDown and the TNA World Heavyweight Championship. PWI now refers to prominent heavyweight titles as follows with only the TNA and SmackDown titles being referred to as world titles... |
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*WWE World Championship - currently held by Edge |
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*WWE Heavyweight Championship - currently held by Triple H |
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*ECW Heavyweight Championship - currently held by Jack Swagger |
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*TNA World Championship - currently held by Sting |
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*ROH Heavyweight Championship - currently held by Nigel McGuinness |
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*NWA Heavyweight Championship - currently held by Blue Demon, Jr. |
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Now, could this mean that PWI now only recognize 2 world championships, those currently defended on SmackDown and TNA?<sup>--[[User:3bulletproof16|<font color="blue">'''Unquestionable'''</font>]][[User talk:3bulletproof16|<font color="green">'''Truth'''</font>]]--</sup> 03:41, 18 February 2009 (UTC) |
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:While my concern regarding PWI's recognition of the two world titles mentioned above has yet to be addressed, I have made some changes to the article to reflect the views of PWI from their recent issue. <sup>--[[User:3bulletproof16|<font color="blue">'''Unquestionable'''</font>]][[User talk:3bulletproof16|<font color="green">'''Truth'''</font>]]--</sup> 03:19, 22 February 2009 (UTC) |
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== Disruptive edits == |
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Someone is repeatedly removing tables, deleting the word "World" and generally just creating havoc with this article. Could an administrator or suchlike please do something about this editor? Thank you. [[Special:Contributions/41.245.143.119|41.245.143.119]] ([[User talk:41.245.143.119|talk]]) 06:39, 30 March 2009 (UTC) |
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I found this on PWI's blog: http://prowrestlingillustrated.blogspot.com/2009/12/new-pwi-blog.html |
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To clear things up, here is a listing of the titles PWI has recognized as "world titles": |
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AWA: 8/16/60-12/12/90 |
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NWA: 7/48-1/11/91; 5/8/06-5/13/07 |
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TNA: 5/13/07-present |
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ECW: 7/6/99-4/11/01 |
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WCW: 1/11/91-3/26/01 |
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W/WWF/E (including World and WWE champions): 4/63-present |
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I hope this settles the debate. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/74.12.168.163|74.12.168.163]] ([[User talk:74.12.168.163|talk]]) 01:33, 3 January 2012 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Including the word "World" in the names of Titles == |
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What is going on with this? Why is there some sort od edit war over whether or not to call titles "World"? [[User:K'Anpo|K'Anpo]] ([[User talk:K'Anpo|talk]]) 12:46, 1 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:Read the article. |
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"''Pro Wrestling Illustrated has recognized select singles championships of six professional wrestling promotions as "world" level accomplishments, which include those of the National Wrestling Alliance (NWA), World Wrestling Entertainment (WWE), Total Nonstop Action Wrestling (TNA), the American Wrestling Association (AWA), Extreme Championship Wrestling (ECW), and World Championship Wrestling (WCW). Of the six entities, only WWE, TNA, and the NWA remain as active organizations. Though different championships within these promotions have been recognized by the magazine, its criteria for selection remains unexplained. As there is no actual method of determining what constitutes a "world" level accomplishment in professional wrestling, or World Championship, it should be noted that the views presented in the following list are solely those of Pro Wrestling Illustrated and are not authoritative. The following championships are listed '''by what they are currently referred to in Pro Wrestling Illustrated''' and currently are or previously were recognized by the magazine."'' |
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:If you pick up PWI and turn all the way to the back, you'll see how each title is referred to. <sup>--[[User:3bulletproof16|<font color="blue">'''Unquestionable'''</font>]][[User talk:3bulletproof16|<font color="green">'''Truth'''</font>]]--</sup> 22:46, 1 April 2009 (UTC) |
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==List of Reigns== |
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Why was this removed? [[User:Muhand|Muhand]] ([[User talk:Muhand|talk]]) 04:24, 24 April 2009 (UTC) |
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:PWI now only recognizes one WWE title as a world title and thus the list was deemed trivial as PWI doesn't dictate reigns.<sup>--[[User:3bulletproof16|<font color="blue">'''Unquestionable'''</font>]][[User talk:3bulletproof16|<font color="green">'''Truth'''</font>]]--</sup> 06:27, 24 April 2009 (UTC) |
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your wrong they recongize both the wwe and world heavyweight title in wwe. That is a lie that they only recognize one of the titles. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/74.93.167.109|74.93.167.109]] ([[User talk:74.93.167.109|talk]]) 19:29, 26 April 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:As of 2008, only two championships are recognized by the magazine.[http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/3bulletproof16/PWI1a.jpg][http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/3bulletproof16/PWI2a.jpg] Additionally, only the [[World Heavyweight Championship (WWE)|WWE World Championship]] and the [[TNA World Heavyweight Championship|TNA World Championship]] are referred to as world titles in the magazine.<sup>--[[User:3bulletproof16|<font color="blue">'''Unquestionable'''</font>]][[User talk:3bulletproof16|<font color="green">'''Truth'''</font>]]--</sup> 01:31, 27 April 2009 (UTC) |
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yeah but who cares what PWI say. Its still a world title just because a magazine says it isn't does not make that a fact <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/90.197.63.137|90.197.63.137]] ([[User talk:90.197.63.137|talk]]) 12:23, 9 June 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:Well it does matter because this is an article abnout PWI. |
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Could we not just redo the table but not include World Heavyweight Championship title reigns from 2008 onwards. [[User:L14M-J|L14M-J]] ([[User talk:L14M-J|talk]]) 12:14, 25 June 2009 (UTC) |
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== Should the company of the wrestler be added to the tables? == |
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I believe that the company(ies) the wrestler worked for be added to the PWI 500 and Women's 50. e.g. |
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{| class="wikitable" style="font-size:85%;" |
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!style="background: #e3e3e3;" width=0%|Year |
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!style="background: #e3e3e3;" width=10%|1 || style="background: #e3e3e3;" width=10%|2 || style="background: #e3e3e3;" width=10%|3 || style="background: #e3e3e3;" width=10%|4 || style="background: #e3e3e3;" width=10%|5 || style="background: #e3e3e3;" width=10%|6 || style="background: #e3e3e3;" width=10%|7 || style="background: #e3e3e3;" width=10%|8 || style="background: #e3e3e3;" width=10%|9 || style="background: #e3e3e3;" width=10%|10 |
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|2008 || '''[[Kia Stevens|Awesome Kong]]''' <br /><small>[[Total Nonstop Action Wrestling|TNA]]<small> || [[Beth Phoenix]] <br /><small>[[World Wrestling Entertainment|WWE]]<small> || [[Gail Kim]] <br /><small>TNA<small> || [[Mickie James]] <br /><small>WWE<small> || [[MsChif]] <br /><small>[[Shimmer Women Athletes|SHIMMER]] / [[Ring of Honor|ROH]]<small> || [[Sara Del Rey]]<br /><small>SHIMMER / ROH || [[Nicole Raczynski|Roxxi Laveaux]] <br /><small>TNA<small> || [[Melina Perez|Melina]] <br /><small>WWE<small> || [[Michelle McCool]] <br /><small>WWE<small> || [[Candice Michelle]] <br /><small>WWE<small> |
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[[User:L14M-J|L14M-J]] ([[User talk:L14M-J|talk]]) 11:39, 25 June 2009 (UTC) |
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<ref>http://hubpages.com/hub/Top-Female-Wrestlers-of-2008</ref> |
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Somebody replaced MsChiff With Maryse |
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== not real womans top 500 == |
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i think we should only trust reliable sources which is the offical website not some fan site <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Samtherofl|Samtherofl]] ([[User talk:Samtherofl|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Samtherofl|contribs]]) 20:38, 12 September 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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==Dumb question== |
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How was Batista in the pwi 500 in the top ten from 91-2000? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.15.191.119|70.15.191.119]] ([[User talk:70.15.191.119|talk]]) 03:00, 2 October 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:It was vandalism.--[[User:Wrestlinglover|<font color="Red">'''Will'''</font>]][[User talk:Wrestlinglover|<font color="Blue">'''C'''</font>]] 03:03, 2 October 2009 (UTC) |
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since it was vandalised and theres possibility of other vandalism might I suggest that Each person is checked to insure the information is correct.[[Special:Contributions/70.15.191.119|70.15.191.119]] ([[User talk:70.15.191.119|talk]]) 03:06, 2 October 2009 (UTC) |
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== Recorded Accomplishments == |
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"Of the six organizations, only WWE, TNA, ECW and the NWA remain active. Though different championships within these promotions have been recorded by the magazine, its criteria for selection remains undefined and unexplained. As there is no collectively official method of determining what constitutes a "world" level accomplishment in professional wrestling, it should be noted that the views presented in the following list are solely those of Pro Wrestling Illustrated and are neither authoritative nor definitive. The following championships are listed by what they are currently referred to in Pro Wrestling Illustrated and currently are or previously were recorded by the magazine." |
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I'm sorry but how does the Organization ECW exist? I thought it was a subsidiary of The WWE (oe a brand of WWE if you will) and not a separate organization. I must ask if PWI currently recognizes the ECW as a world championship as it doesn't even seem the wwe does. Perhaps the list should be changed to show active championships they currently recognize and a section that shows those they once recognized. I'm not sure they currently recognize the NwA Title since those belts left TNA. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/70.15.191.119|70.15.191.119]] ([[User talk:70.15.191.119|talk]]) 03:20, 2 October 2009 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:The inclusion of "ECW" in the note regarding active professional wrestling promotions was added by an IP address. That particular note has now been corrected. World Wrestling Entertainment currently recognizes Three world championships (WWE, ECW, World Heavyweight). According to a recent issue, in regards to the championships of the current three professional wrestling promotions (NWA, TNA, and WWE), the Pro Wrestling Illustrated magazine recognizes [http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y64/3bulletproof16/PWI1a.jpg ONLY TWO championships] out of the Five possible (ECW, NWA, TNA, World Heavyweight, and WWE). Due to the ambiguity of their views it was decided to compose a list of all known accomplishments to have ever been recorded by the magazine instead. <sup>--[[User:3bulletproof16|<font color="blue">'''Unquestionable'''</font>]][[User talk:3bulletproof16|<font color="green">'''Truth'''</font>]]--</sup> 03:43, 2 October 2009 (UTC) |
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== Maybe make the page semi protected == |
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due to constant vandalism |
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early today i changed eve torres in the PWI top womens back to michelle mccool <small><span class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Samtherofl|Samtherofl]] ([[User talk:Samtherofl|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Samtherofl|contribs]]) 21:18, 16 November 2009 (UTC)</span></small><!-- Template:Unsigned --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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Can someone please put the all time top 5 back how it should be? <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/81.97.252.151|81.97.252.151]] ([[User talk:81.97.252.151|talk]]) 04:39, 19 February 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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== Tables == |
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Where do they keep going? Why can't we have them? --[[Special:Contributions/74.178.227.26|74.178.227.26]] ([[User talk:74.178.227.26|talk]]) 07:41, 12 January 2010 (UTC) |
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:Lack of sufficient reliable sources seems to be the cause...<sup>--[[User:3bulletproof16|<font color="blue">'''Unquestionable'''</font>]][[User talk:3bulletproof16|<font color="green">'''Truth'''</font>]]--</sup> 04:43, 13 January 2010 (UTC) |
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== A.J, Styles as number one == |
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I just wanted to pass along in here that I listed A.J. Styles as number one in the Top 500 table. Someone had changed it out with EDGE, not the wrestler, but something else. I just want to let people know that I have corrected it and to keep and eye out for it, in case someone changes it back to what it was before. On a side note, congrats to A.J. Styles. |
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[[User:Drunknesmonsta|Drunknesmonsta]] ([[User talk:Drunknesmonsta|talk]]) 02:40, 16 July 2010 (UTC) |
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:And...someone changed it to Nancy Benoit. Okay, this page needs some kind of protection, because the vandalism's getting annoy, and this last one was just plain bad taste. |
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[[User:Takerfoxx|Takerfoxx]] ([[User talk:Takerfoxx|talk]]) 23:00, 18 July 2010 (UTC) |
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== Recent Vandalism aka The Hoard has descended on this page == |
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There is a group of wrestling fans whom have descended upon this page a joke. This started Friday Midnight EST. They will continue to vandalize the page until further protection is provided to the page. This is a heads up for WP editors. <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/24.61.224.247|24.61.224.247]] ([[User talk:24.61.224.247|talk]]) 03:49, 19 July 2010 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:UnsignedIP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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:A form coordinated attack? OHHHHHH NOOOOOOOOO............<sup>--[[User:3bulletproof16|<font color="blue">'''Unquestionable'''</font>]][[User talk:3bulletproof16|<font color="green">'''Truth'''</font>]]--</sup> 04:02, 19 July 2010 (UTC) |
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this article should be protected right now if people are trying to vandalise it.--[[Special:Contributions/89.204.248.106|89.204.248.106]] ([[User talk:89.204.248.106|talk]]) 23:02, 7 August 2010 (UTC) |
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Nancy And Chris Benoit ??? |
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== 1991 number 10 == |
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Well it's currently listed as "KENTA" which is clearly vandalism as KENTA would of been 10 years old, i'm not too sure about PWI so if someone could correct it, just thought i'd give a heads up <span style="font-size: smaller;" class="autosigned">— Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/77.98.121.195|77.98.121.195]] ([[User talk:77.98.121.195|talk]]) 03:49, 24 July 2011 (UTC)</span><!-- Template:Unsigned IP --> <!--Autosigned by SineBot--> |
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I think #10 that year was Rick Steiner. Someone will have to dig out the magazine to check. [[User:HappHazzard|HappHazzard]] ([[User talk:HappHazzard|talk]]) 22:59, 26 July 2011 (UTC) |
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:::Dear, anonymous poster...it's NOT on the list! PWI begins the WCW World Title's existence as of January 11 1991. But Stine had a WCW World Title reign BEFORE that. I understand why they don't recognize the ECW World Title before mid-1999, but why not the original WCW World Title before January 11 1991. Strange indeed! [[Special:Contributions/41.245.129.121|41.245.129.121]] ([[User talk:41.245.129.121|talk]]) 12:55, 19 November 2008 (UTC) |
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== Number 1 for 2011 == |
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::::The wcw championship lineage begun on january 11, 1991. before that wcw used the nwa championship as their world title so that reign you're talking about it's sting's first nwa championship reign. [[User:Secretaria|Secretaria]] ([[User talk:Secretaria|talk]]) 17:00, 19 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::The NWA ceased functioning as an organization as of late 1990. Sting was even called "WCW Champion" around Starrcade 1990(am searching for thing to upload...). By the time Flair pinned him on January 11 1991, the NWA championship was history, and Sting was WCW World Champion. [[Special:Contributions/41.245.129.121|41.245.129.121]] ([[User talk:41.245.129.121|talk]]) 09:59, 20 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::Actually the NWA still exists today. WCW might have called Sting a WCW champion and the nwa name might have been phased out at the time but ultimately there was still a nwa board of directors recognizing sting as their champion. The two companies only officialy split after ric flair left wcw for the wwf when the nwa didn't want to recognize lex luger as their champion and recognized Masa Chono instead. Some years later, they recognized Tatsumi Fujinami's ghost reign from march to may 1991. Since it was with flair's reign which begun on january 11, 1991 that the two lineages split that's when the wcw championship history officialy begun. Also that's they way its recognized by the WWE, who now own WCW and have the final say on who was and wasn't wcw champion (like rectroactively recognizing benoit as a former wcw champion when wcw never did). Also, it has been said above in this page that flair was called the nwa/wcw champion by PWI. [[User:Secretaria|Secretaria]] ([[User talk:Secretaria|talk]]) 20:00, 20 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::Actually the NWA ceased functioning from cDecember 1990 until mid-1992. Sting was only the WCW World Champion as of January 10 1991. I accept that this is '''PWI''' 's version of history, but it should be noted that their take is not entirely accurate. Also, Luger was WCW Champion from July 1991 to February 1992, and Chono only won the revived NWA Title in August 1992 when Luger was under contract to the WWF. The NWA(and PWI) have rewritten history to make themselves look better, WCW look worse, and WWE have promoted it as fact. So, yes since this is the PWI page it should reflect PWI's (inaccurate) version, but a footnote should be added explaining what really happened and didn't happen. [[Special:Contributions/41.245.166.168|41.245.166.168]] ([[User talk:41.245.166.168|talk]]) 12:45, 21 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::::Ok, I guess you seem to know more about it than me, but this might be a disscussion for the wcw and nwa world championship pages before it's adressed in this one since this page is following the lineages on the pages of those championships. [[User:Secretaria|Secretaria]] ([[User talk:Secretaria|talk]]) 17:30, 22 November 2008 (UTC) |
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:::::::::Alright, I was just checking out the history pages and the thing is if the nwa closed c. december 1990, sting still won the championship on july as a nwa champion so i guess it's counted as an nwa championship reign. Also, there's that whole flair/fujinami debacle in 91, so I'm not sure the nwa really closed between 90 an 92. [[User:Secretaria|Secretaria]] ([[User talk:Secretaria|talk]]) 17:50, 22 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::::::it's sorta like the Team 3D Tag Title reign in TNA. They won the NWA titles in TNA, then the TNA-NWA business arrangement ended(albeit under very different circumstances). TNA continued to recognize them as "Tag Team Champions", and even today credit them with a single Tag Title reign in TNA. But it's 2 different titles. They never lost the first or really ever won the second, the one just took over from the other as a continuous reign. [[Special:Contributions/41.245.166.168|41.245.166.168]] ([[User talk:41.245.166.168|talk]]) 09:16, 23 November 2008 (UTC) |
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::::::::::: For a very long time PWI and its sister publications continued to refer to WCW as "The NWA" even when it was clear that WCW itself had ceased to do so. Eventually in spring 1991 they announced that they would refer to the title overall as the NWA/WCW World Heavyweight Title, using the more specific terms "NWA World title" for its past history and "WCW World Title" for the then-current and then-future situation. During the Flair/Fujinami controversy, PWI continued to recognise Flair as champion, but acknowledged that some promoters in Japan were recognising Fujinami at the time. When Flair was stripped of the WCW title on July 1 1991 and Lex Luger subsequently beat Barry Windham in a cage match for the vacant title, PWI (and WCW) recognised Luger as the incumbent holder of the same title that Lou Thesz, Harley Race and Flair had all held and just completely ignored the fact that there was still an NWA board that recognised Flair as champion until August 1991 when it was clear that he would be using the title as a WWF gimmick. PWI were able to carry on with their stance though early 1992 with Sting's second reign and Vader's first. When Masa Chono beat Rick Rude in Japan to fill the year long NWA World title vacancy, PWI refused to recognise Chono as a world champion, recognising him - and Muta, Windham and Flair afterwards - only as "NWA Champion." One of the Aptermags also printed an article denouncing the tournament and Chono's title as an irrelevance which would only cause confusion! After the final split between WCW and the NWA, PWI grudgingly recognised Rude, Sasake and Sting as being holders of the WCW International Championship. For the rest of the 1990s, PWI continued to regard the title rejected by Shane Douglas and later held by Chris Candido and Dan Severn as "the NWA Championship". [[Special:Contributions/2.24.71.25|2.24.71.25]] ([[User talk:2.24.71.25|talk]]) 19:39, 11 March 2018 (UTC) |
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The 2014 Cover Picture with Daniel Bryan is reliable and should be kept. Removing it vandals add unlicensed pictures that violate copy right guidelines. [[User talk:Mishi dar]] has been engaging in such activity in not just this but many articles without even discussing on talk page and has been warned multiple times by various users and bots for it. Furthermore cover photos of PWI magazines changes every year, it is neither possible nor necessary to keep changing it every now and then. PWI has had many cover photos since then, but this has been very reliable. The Daniel Bryan picture establishes the main theme of the article and I believe that is a sufficient reason for continuing using it for a longer time. For changes there should be a discussion. No one should change crucial pictures without even bothering to discuss on talk page of the article let alone the project page [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling]]. [[User:Dilbaggg|Dilbaggg]] ([[User talk:Dilbaggg|talk]]) 19:17, 5 November 2019 (UTC) |
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Where has the information on the rest of the top 10 for 2011 come from? The link given just links to an image of the cover, which just says that Miz is #1. [[User:HappHazzard|HappHazzard]] ([[User talk:HappHazzard|talk]]) 22:59, 26 July 2011 (UTC) |
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This should be a base standard on any magazine's article. Publishers are required by law to include a statement of ownership somewhere within the magazine once a year. It is a summary of the average copies sold monthly (through both retailer and subscriptions) for the prior year of issues. For most magazines it is usually found somewhere among the last several pages of an issue, although it can be printed anywhere. The time of year that it is printed will usually remain consistent once established (i.e. If the statement appears in the July issue of a particular magazine then it will usually be found in every July issue of that magazine.[[Special:Contributions/2601:602:880:4C10:3D35:37C1:20A3:B4CC|2601:602:880:4C10:3D35:37C1:20A3:B4CC]] ([[User talk:2601:602:880:4C10:3D35:37C1:20A3:B4CC|talk]]) 04:44, 24 January 2020 (UTC) |
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Okay this page is getting frequently vandalized. Apparently Batista was a successful wrestler during the 90's coming 1st on practically every occasion. I request that this page be locked as this page is clearly being frequently targeted by immature very bored people. [[Special:Contributions/77.98.121.195|77.98.121.195]] ([[User talk:77.98.121.195|talk]]) 16:56, 11 October 2011 (UTC) |
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Awards pages
[edit]This article links to several different pages addressing PWI awards. Is there any reason the awards pages can't be streamlined into a single page? It's really not that much information, and each page linked to in the awards section ends up being quite small. Call it an annoyance if you will, but I was just looking through Wrestling Observer's awards list, and I personally find that format much prefered over the format used to list former PWI award winners. Smokachu 2:39, 19 May 2007 (UTC)
Aren't the PWI awards just given out by staff writers? I've read several times that the results are chosen by the staff and the fans votes aren't actually counted. Has anyone else heard this? middleeasternfilms 23:04, 21 July 2007
Top 500 in 2006
[edit]The top 500 of 2006 has not been published, so Cena can't be the winner... (or Joe like I read weeks ago). I deleted it. (11/09/2006)
- One more time I deleted the results of top 500 in 2006 ! Stop put Cena or anyone else because nobody has the results !(12 september 2006).
- I change it one more time... It's vandalism, and I will tell it to the people concerned.(12 september 2006).
- And one more, this time it's a warning. (14 september 2006).
Sting's first WCW World Heavyweight reign
[edit]Why doesn't PWI recognize this one? 41.245.165.219 (talk) 10:38, 13 October 2008 (UTC)
- It is recognized. It's on the list.
- Dear, anonymous poster...it's NOT on the list! PWI begins the WCW World Title's existence as of January 11 1991. But Stine had a WCW World Title reign BEFORE that. I understand why they don't recognize the ECW World Title before mid-1999, but why not the original WCW World Title before January 11 1991. Strange indeed! 41.245.129.121 (talk) 12:55, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
- The wcw championship lineage begun on january 11, 1991. before that wcw used the nwa championship as their world title so that reign you're talking about it's sting's first nwa championship reign. Secretaria (talk) 17:00, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
- The NWA ceased functioning as an organization as of late 1990. Sting was even called "WCW Champion" around Starrcade 1990(am searching for thing to upload...). By the time Flair pinned him on January 11 1991, the NWA championship was history, and Sting was WCW World Champion. 41.245.129.121 (talk) 09:59, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
- Actually the NWA still exists today. WCW might have called Sting a WCW champion and the nwa name might have been phased out at the time but ultimately there was still a nwa board of directors recognizing sting as their champion. The two companies only officialy split after ric flair left wcw for the wwf when the nwa didn't want to recognize lex luger as their champion and recognized Masa Chono instead. Some years later, they recognized Tatsumi Fujinami's ghost reign from march to may 1991. Since it was with flair's reign which begun on january 11, 1991 that the two lineages split that's when the wcw championship history officialy begun. Also that's they way its recognized by the WWE, who now own WCW and have the final say on who was and wasn't wcw champion (like rectroactively recognizing benoit as a former wcw champion when wcw never did). Also, it has been said above in this page that flair was called the nwa/wcw champion by PWI. Secretaria (talk) 20:00, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
- Actually the NWA ceased functioning from cDecember 1990 until mid-1992. Sting was only the WCW World Champion as of January 10 1991. I accept that this is PWI 's version of history, but it should be noted that their take is not entirely accurate. Also, Luger was WCW Champion from July 1991 to February 1992, and Chono only won the revived NWA Title in August 1992 when Luger was under contract to the WWF. The NWA(and PWI) have rewritten history to make themselves look better, WCW look worse, and WWE have promoted it as fact. So, yes since this is the PWI page it should reflect PWI's (inaccurate) version, but a footnote should be added explaining what really happened and didn't happen. 41.245.166.168 (talk) 12:45, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
- Ok, I guess you seem to know more about it than me, but this might be a disscussion for the wcw and nwa world championship pages before it's adressed in this one since this page is following the lineages on the pages of those championships. Secretaria (talk) 17:30, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
- Alright, I was just checking out the history pages and the thing is if the nwa closed c. december 1990, sting still won the championship on july as a nwa champion so i guess it's counted as an nwa championship reign. Also, there's that whole flair/fujinami debacle in 91, so I'm not sure the nwa really closed between 90 an 92. Secretaria (talk) 17:50, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
- it's sorta like the Team 3D Tag Title reign in TNA. They won the NWA titles in TNA, then the TNA-NWA business arrangement ended(albeit under very different circumstances). TNA continued to recognize them as "Tag Team Champions", and even today credit them with a single Tag Title reign in TNA. But it's 2 different titles. They never lost the first or really ever won the second, the one just took over from the other as a continuous reign. 41.245.166.168 (talk) 09:16, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
- For a very long time PWI and its sister publications continued to refer to WCW as "The NWA" even when it was clear that WCW itself had ceased to do so. Eventually in spring 1991 they announced that they would refer to the title overall as the NWA/WCW World Heavyweight Title, using the more specific terms "NWA World title" for its past history and "WCW World Title" for the then-current and then-future situation. During the Flair/Fujinami controversy, PWI continued to recognise Flair as champion, but acknowledged that some promoters in Japan were recognising Fujinami at the time. When Flair was stripped of the WCW title on July 1 1991 and Lex Luger subsequently beat Barry Windham in a cage match for the vacant title, PWI (and WCW) recognised Luger as the incumbent holder of the same title that Lou Thesz, Harley Race and Flair had all held and just completely ignored the fact that there was still an NWA board that recognised Flair as champion until August 1991 when it was clear that he would be using the title as a WWF gimmick. PWI were able to carry on with their stance though early 1992 with Sting's second reign and Vader's first. When Masa Chono beat Rick Rude in Japan to fill the year long NWA World title vacancy, PWI refused to recognise Chono as a world champion, recognising him - and Muta, Windham and Flair afterwards - only as "NWA Champion." One of the Aptermags also printed an article denouncing the tournament and Chono's title as an irrelevance which would only cause confusion! After the final split between WCW and the NWA, PWI grudgingly recognised Rude, Sasake and Sting as being holders of the WCW International Championship. For the rest of the 1990s, PWI continued to regard the title rejected by Shane Douglas and later held by Chris Candido and Dan Severn as "the NWA Championship". 2.24.71.25 (talk) 19:39, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
- it's sorta like the Team 3D Tag Title reign in TNA. They won the NWA titles in TNA, then the TNA-NWA business arrangement ended(albeit under very different circumstances). TNA continued to recognize them as "Tag Team Champions", and even today credit them with a single Tag Title reign in TNA. But it's 2 different titles. They never lost the first or really ever won the second, the one just took over from the other as a continuous reign. 41.245.166.168 (talk) 09:16, 23 November 2008 (UTC)
- Alright, I was just checking out the history pages and the thing is if the nwa closed c. december 1990, sting still won the championship on july as a nwa champion so i guess it's counted as an nwa championship reign. Also, there's that whole flair/fujinami debacle in 91, so I'm not sure the nwa really closed between 90 an 92. Secretaria (talk) 17:50, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
- Ok, I guess you seem to know more about it than me, but this might be a disscussion for the wcw and nwa world championship pages before it's adressed in this one since this page is following the lineages on the pages of those championships. Secretaria (talk) 17:30, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
- Actually the NWA ceased functioning from cDecember 1990 until mid-1992. Sting was only the WCW World Champion as of January 10 1991. I accept that this is PWI 's version of history, but it should be noted that their take is not entirely accurate. Also, Luger was WCW Champion from July 1991 to February 1992, and Chono only won the revived NWA Title in August 1992 when Luger was under contract to the WWF. The NWA(and PWI) have rewritten history to make themselves look better, WCW look worse, and WWE have promoted it as fact. So, yes since this is the PWI page it should reflect PWI's (inaccurate) version, but a footnote should be added explaining what really happened and didn't happen. 41.245.166.168 (talk) 12:45, 21 November 2008 (UTC)
- Actually the NWA still exists today. WCW might have called Sting a WCW champion and the nwa name might have been phased out at the time but ultimately there was still a nwa board of directors recognizing sting as their champion. The two companies only officialy split after ric flair left wcw for the wwf when the nwa didn't want to recognize lex luger as their champion and recognized Masa Chono instead. Some years later, they recognized Tatsumi Fujinami's ghost reign from march to may 1991. Since it was with flair's reign which begun on january 11, 1991 that the two lineages split that's when the wcw championship history officialy begun. Also that's they way its recognized by the WWE, who now own WCW and have the final say on who was and wasn't wcw champion (like rectroactively recognizing benoit as a former wcw champion when wcw never did). Also, it has been said above in this page that flair was called the nwa/wcw champion by PWI. Secretaria (talk) 20:00, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
- The NWA ceased functioning as an organization as of late 1990. Sting was even called "WCW Champion" around Starrcade 1990(am searching for thing to upload...). By the time Flair pinned him on January 11 1991, the NWA championship was history, and Sting was WCW World Champion. 41.245.129.121 (talk) 09:59, 20 November 2008 (UTC)
- The wcw championship lineage begun on january 11, 1991. before that wcw used the nwa championship as their world title so that reign you're talking about it's sting's first nwa championship reign. Secretaria (talk) 17:00, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
- Dear, anonymous poster...it's NOT on the list! PWI begins the WCW World Title's existence as of January 11 1991. But Stine had a WCW World Title reign BEFORE that. I understand why they don't recognize the ECW World Title before mid-1999, but why not the original WCW World Title before January 11 1991. Strange indeed! 41.245.129.121 (talk) 12:55, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
Cover Photo
[edit]The 2014 Cover Picture with Daniel Bryan is reliable and should be kept. Removing it vandals add unlicensed pictures that violate copy right guidelines. User talk:Mishi dar has been engaging in such activity in not just this but many articles without even discussing on talk page and has been warned multiple times by various users and bots for it. Furthermore cover photos of PWI magazines changes every year, it is neither possible nor necessary to keep changing it every now and then. PWI has had many cover photos since then, but this has been very reliable. The Daniel Bryan picture establishes the main theme of the article and I believe that is a sufficient reason for continuing using it for a longer time. For changes there should be a discussion. No one should change crucial pictures without even bothering to discuss on talk page of the article let alone the project page Wikipedia:WikiProject Professional wrestling. Dilbaggg (talk) 19:17, 5 November 2019 (UTC)
No circulation numbers?
[edit]This should be a base standard on any magazine's article. Publishers are required by law to include a statement of ownership somewhere within the magazine once a year. It is a summary of the average copies sold monthly (through both retailer and subscriptions) for the prior year of issues. For most magazines it is usually found somewhere among the last several pages of an issue, although it can be printed anywhere. The time of year that it is printed will usually remain consistent once established (i.e. If the statement appears in the July issue of a particular magazine then it will usually be found in every July issue of that magazine.2601:602:880:4C10:3D35:37C1:20A3:B4CC (talk) 04:44, 24 January 2020 (UTC)