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== Accolades ==
Hi, WandaVision won an award at the "Clio Awards" and two awards at the "Sec Awards", could someone please add them? --[[User:Jeremy0818|Jeremy0818]] ([[User talk:Jeremy0818|talk]]) 06:03, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
:As the Sec Awards do not have their own Wikipedia article, they aren't considered notable for inclusion. do you have a source for the Clio Award ''WandaVision'' won? I didn't find anything. —''[[User:Facu-el Millo|El Millo]]'' ([[User talk:Facu-el Millo|talk]]) 06:16, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
::Too bad that the "Sec Awrds" are not taken into account, this is the source of the "Clio Award" (https://clios.com/music/winner/93473) --[[User:Jeremy0818|Jeremy0818]] ([[User talk:Jeremy0818|talk]]) 06:20, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
:::{{Done}} —''[[User:Facu-el Millo|El Millo]]'' ([[User talk:Facu-el Millo|talk]]) 06:45, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
::::Hello me again, today the Irish Film & Television Awards were held and Jim O'Hagan and Ed Bruce were nominated by WandaVision in the VFX category, they did not win, so someone could add your nomination please.--[[User:Jeremy0818|Jeremy0818]] ([[User talk:Jeremy0818|talk]]) 02:12, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
:::::{{Done}} —''[[User:Facu-el Millo|El Millo]]'' ([[User talk:Facu-el Millo|talk]]) 02:56, 5 July 2021 (UTC)
Hi, Wandavision has 5 Dorian Awards nominations. The nominations are credited on IMDB and the Dorian Awards itself has a wikipedia page. I hope someone add them. (https://deadline.com/2021/06/pose-wandavision-galeca-lgbtq-critics-dorian-tv-award-nominations-1234777545/) <!-- Template:Unsigned --><span class="autosigned" style="font-size:85%;">—&nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:CocoBrei835|CocoBrei835]] ([[User talk:CocoBrei835#top|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/CocoBrei835|contribs]]) 17:57, 9 July 2021 (UTC)</span> <!--Autosigned by SineBot-->
:{{Done}} —''[[User:Facu-el Millo|El Millo]]'' ([[User talk:Facu-el Millo|talk]]) 20:00, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello again, I have seen that they added several nominations with the result of "pending" so I wanted to say that WandaVision has 4 nominations in the [[Gold Derby Awards]] and in the [[Golden Trailer Awards]], just in case someone wants to add them.<br/>
-(https://www.goldderby.com/feature/2021-gold-derby-tv-awards-nominations-list-1204332987/)
<br/>-(https://goldentrailer.com/gta21-nominees/) --[[User:Jeremy0818|Jeremy0818]] ([[User talk:Jeremy0818|talk]]) 22:47, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

:I forgot, it also has a nomination in the [[MTV Millennial Awards]] under the category Killer TV Series --[[User:Jeremy0818|Jeremy0818]] ([[User talk:Jeremy0818|talk]]) 22:55, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
::{{Done}} and {{done}}. —''[[User:Facu-el Millo|El Millo]]'' ([[User talk:Facu-el Millo|talk]]) 23:25, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, WandaVision won at the MTV Millennial Awards, could someone change it from pending to winner please? --[[User:Jeremy0818|Jeremy0818]] ([[User talk:Jeremy0818|talk]]) 16:51, 14 July 2021 (UTC)
:If someone might need the reference, here. (https://trome.pe/celebrities/mtv-en-vivo-miaw-2021-fecha-horario-cuando-es-como-votar-por-artistas-nominado-lista-de-categorias-mtv-millenial-awards-ver-online-transmision-resultados-en-directo-danna-paola-rauw-alejandro-mexico-noticia/) --[[User:CocoBrei835|CocoBrei835]] ([[User talk:CocoBrei835|talk]]) 05:26, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
::{{Done}} —''[[User:Facu-el Millo|El Millo]]'' ([[User talk:Facu-el Millo|talk]]) 05:42, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, today the [[TCA Awards]] nominations came out and WandaVision got four
(https://variety.com/2021/tv/news/2021-tca-awards-nominations-list-ted-lasso-wandavision-1235020447/) --[[User:Jeremy0818|Jeremy0818]] ([[User talk:Jeremy0818|talk]]) 19:41, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
:{{Added}} —''[[User:Facu-el Millo|El Millo]]'' ([[User talk:Facu-el Millo|talk]]) 20:01, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Could you add that WandaVision was nominated in the Best Adaptation from Comic Book / Graphic Novel category at the [[Harvey Awards]], Loki's series was also nominated in the same category if you like to add it, Thank you very much.
(https://www.comicsbeat.com/2021-harvey-awards-nominees-revealed-and-voting-is-now-open/) --[[User:Jeremy0818|Jeremy0818]] ([[User talk:Jeremy0818|talk]]) 01:41, 17 July 2021 (UTC)
:{{Done}} —''[[User:Facu-el Millo|El Millo]]'' ([[User talk:Facu-el Millo|talk]]) 02:32, 17 July 2021 (UTC)

Hello, Actress Teyonah Parris has a nomination at the [[Black Reel Awards|Black Reel TV Awards]], and WandaVision has two nominations at the International Online Cinema Awards (The International Online Cinema Awards do not have a wiki page but I have seen that sometimes they are added as in [[Fifty Shades Darker (film)]], [[mother!]], [[List of awards and nominations received by Anya Taylor-Joy]] and many more). The Falcon and The Winter Soldier series also has nominations at the Black Reel TV Awards and the International Online Cinema Awards, Thank you so much.<br/>
-(https://m.imdb.com/event/ev0004817/2021/1)<br/>
-(https://www.imdb.com/event/ev0003084/2021/1?ref_=ttawd_ev_6) --[[User:Jeremy0818|Jeremy0818]] ([[User talk:Jeremy0818|talk]]) 23:18, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
:{{Added}} Black Reel Awards. The International Online Cinema Awards don't have an article and I haven't found they've been reported by main outlets, so it is not notable for inclusion. —''[[User:Facu-el Millo|El Millo]]'' ([[User talk:Facu-el Millo|talk]]) 00:07, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

Since it keeps changing, can we please settle on one order for the accolades table? I feel it should be by date of ceremony, then in the sourced category order, then alphabetically by nominee (though by episode if there is one is also fine). - [[User:Adamstom.97|adamstom97]] ([[User talk:Adamstom.97|talk]]) 23:51, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
:If you are referring to the order of the Emmys, I initially put it in the order in which it was in the official file that's used as a reference. Someone else came and reordered it, apparently on perceived "relevance" for them. —''[[User:Facu-el Millo|El Millo]]'' ([[User talk:Facu-el Millo|talk]]) 23:55, 18 July 2021 (UTC)
::I am referring to the order changing in general, but I haven't been checking all the diffs and just saw the back-and-forth in edit summaries. Just wanted to make sure the order we are using makes sense. - [[User:Adamstom.97|adamstom97]] ([[User talk:Adamstom.97|talk]]) 00:00, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
:::I wouldn't make any further edits to change the Emmy order as it is now. Regarding the order in general, we should stick to ceremony date, until most or almost all awards have been given, then we'll change to alphabetical order by Award name as we commonly do. —''[[User:Facu-el Millo|El Millo]]'' ([[User talk:Facu-el Millo|talk]]) 00:05, 19 July 2021 (UTC)

WandaVision won [[The ReFrame Stamp]]
-(https://deadline.com/2021/07/reframe-tv-stamp-recipients-wandavision-bridgerton-lovecraft-country-pose-1234796290/) --[[User:Jeremy0818|Jeremy0818]] ([[User talk:Jeremy0818|talk]]) 06:15, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
:I have added this in prose at the top of the section since it isn't really an award to be won like those in the table. - [[User:Adamstom.97|adamstom97]] ([[User talk:Adamstom.97|talk]]) 07:11, 21 July 2021 (UTC)


== Dick Van Dyke show details ==
Hello, the winners of the Golden Trailer Awards have already been announced, someone could change it please.
-(https://goldentrailer.com/gta21-winners/) --[[User:Jeremy0818|Jeremy0818]] ([[User talk:Jeremy0818|talk]]) 05:18, 23 July 2021 (UTC)
:{{Done}} —''[[User:Facu-el Millo|El Millo]]'' ([[User talk:Facu-el Millo|talk]]) 06:10, 23 July 2021 (UTC)


In the Writing §, under "Sitcom influences", it is claimed "... the first episode pays homage to ''The Dick Van Dyke Show'', which ran from the late 1950s to the early 1960s, and was meant to have a general 1950s time period."
Hi, WandaVision and Loki are nominated in the [[BreakTudo Awards]], someone add them please?
-(https://www.breaktudoawards.com/aqui-estao-os-indicados-do-breaktudo-awards-2021/) --[[User:Jeremy0818|Jeremy0818]] ([[User talk:Jeremy0818|talk]]) 02:41, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
:The award's article is currently nominated for deletion, so it's best to wait until that's finished. —''[[User:Facu-el Millo|El Millo]]'' ([[User talk:Facu-el Millo|talk]]) 03:18, 31 July 2021 (UTC)
:The nomination for deletion has been closed as delete, so we won't be adding it. —''[[User:Facu-el Millo|El Millo]]'' ([[User talk:Facu-el Millo|talk]]) 07:39, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
Hello, the [[Gold Derby Awards]] have already announced their date for August 18, and also [[Christophe Beck]] and [[Natalie Holt]] are nominated in the [[World Soundtrack Awards]] for WandaVision and Loki, in case anyone likes to add them, Thank you very much.
-(https://www.goldderby.com/article/2021/gold-derby-tv-awards-winners-voting-deadline/)
-(https://www.worldsoundtrackawards.com/news/discover-the-first-nominees-for-the-21st-world-soundtrack-awards) --[[User:Jeremy0818|Jeremy0818]] ([[User talk:Jeremy0818|talk]]) 17:57, 9 August 2021 (UTC)
:{{Done}}. —''[[User:Facu-el Millo|El Millo]]'' ([[User talk:Facu-el Millo|talk]]) 18:16, 9 August 2021 (UTC)


The source on this point is unreliable as to airdates, as the original pilot dates from 1960, while the show itself began airing in 1961.
Hi, WandaVision received a nomination at the [[TV Choice Awards]] in the Best Family Drama category.
-(https://www.bauermedia.co.uk/newsroom/press-releases/tv-choice-awards-2021-shortlist-nominations-announced) --[[User:Jeremy0818|Jeremy0818]] ([[User talk:Jeremy0818|talk]]) 18:15, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
:{{Done}} —''[[User:Facu-el Millo|El Millo]]'' ([[User talk:Facu-el Millo|talk]]) 19:18, 2 September 2021 (UTC)


The source, while incorrect about show run dates, does NOT claim that either The Dick Van Dyke Show or WandaVision is meant to represent the 1950s. To claim this is Original Research. [[User:Chaswmsday|Chaswmsday]] ([[User talk:Chaswmsday|talk]]) 00:47, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi, WandaVision and The Falcon and the Winter soldier recived nominations at the Online Film & Television Association Awards, could these awards be added? The [[Daredevil_(TV_series)#Accolades|Daredevil series]] does have them credited.
:The first episode is set in the 50s, and the first two episodes were inspired by the ''Dick Van Dyke Show'', so the content isn't entirely inaccurate, but it's already included elsewhere. —''[[User:Facu-el Millo|El Millo]]'' ([[User talk:Facu-el Millo|talk]]) 03:24, 8 August 2022 (UTC)
-(http://www.oftaawards.com/television-awards/25th-annual-tv-awards-2020-21/) --[[User:Jeremy0818|Jeremy0818]] ([[User talk:Jeremy0818|talk]]) 03:20, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:These awards seem not to pass the threshold for notability, as they do not have a Wikipedia article of their own. —''[[User:Facu-el Millo|El Millo]]'' ([[User talk:Facu-el Millo|talk]]) 17:24, 17 September 2021 (UTC)
:I have updated the wording and source to hopefully address these concerns. - [[User:Adamstom.97|adamstom97]] ([[User talk:Adamstom.97|talk]]) 03:32, 8 August 2022 (UTC)


== RFC about what to refer to Wanda Maximoff as ==
== Ready for GA? ==
{{archive top|status=Wanda|result=In this discussion, editors discussed whether to refer to the fictional character Wanda Maximoff by her surname ("Maximoff") or by her given name ("Wanda"). Editors in support of calling her by her first name provided a series of arguments, saying that is the most common name by which the character is referred, that the Wikipedia-wide [[MOS:SAMESURNAME|manual of style]] states that given names may be used to refer to individuals who share the surname of another individual mentioned in the same article, and that [[WP:IAR|occasional exceptions may apply]] to any general guidance relating to the use of surnames to refer to characters. Opposition to the use of the given name focused substantially on a [[WP:CONLEVEL|local consensus]] among [[Wikipedia:WikiProject Film/Marvel Cinematic Universe task force|MCU task force]] participants, and procedurally argued that there was insufficient discussion before the RfC for an RfC to be held. The majority of participants supported the use of "Wanda" in this article, the results of [[WP:NOTDEMOCRACY|discussions are not determined by voting]], but are instead [[WP:DETCON|ascertained by examining the arguments in light of relevant policies and guidelines]]. And, through that lens, this discussion obtained '''consensus to refer to Wanda Maximoff as "Wanda", rather than as "Maximoff"'''. {{nac}} — [[User:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: #660000">Red-tailed&nbsp;hawk</span>]]&nbsp;<sub>[[User talk:Red-tailed hawk|<span style="color: #660000">(nest)</span>]]</sub> 00:37, 8 July 2023 (UTC) }}
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Should Wanda Maximoff be referred to as Wanda or Mazimoff? <span style="color:green;">[[User:JDDJS|<span style="color:green;">JDDJS</span>]] ([[User talk:JDDJS|<span style="color:purple;">talk to me</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/JDDJS|<span style="color:purple;">see what I've done</span>]])</span> 14:50, 25 May 2023 (UTC)


*'''Wanda''' For real people, policy is very clear to refer to them by their last name opposed to their first name in the majority of situations. However, that policy has never supposed to apply to fictional characters. Sure, we can use it when there isn't a clear common name, but that isn't the case here. The character is referred to as just Wanda all the time and is extremely referred to as just Maximoff. The name of the show is literally '''Wanda'''Vision. The [[WP:COMMONNAME]] is extremely clearly Wanda over Maximoff. There is simply no reason to keep referring to her as Maximoff instead. <span style="color:green;">[[User:JDDJS|<span style="color:green;">JDDJS</span>]] ([[User talk:JDDJS|<span style="color:purple;">talk to me</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/JDDJS|<span style="color:purple;">see what I've done</span>]])</span> 14:50, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
{{u|Adamstom.97}} what are you thinking about this and some or all of the episode articles? I don't know if I'll be able to get another c/e in myself for this article, but I'm not against how the article currently stands and feel any absolutely glaring issues will hopefully be brought up by the GA reviewer. - [[User:Favre1fan93|Favre1fan93]] ([[User talk:Favre1fan93|talk]]) 01:44, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
*'''Speedy close''' The RfC initiator has made zero attempts to discuss this matter beforehand, as mandated by [[WP:RFCBEFORE]]. Secondly, there is existing [[WP:LOCALCONSENSUS]] to use last names on MCU articles when referring to characters for consistency, as documented at [[WP:MCU#Miscellaneous]]. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 15:55, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
:I am feeling pretty good about all of the episode articles, and am just doing some work on the reception section for this article at the moment. If you are happy not to look over everything first then I might set up the noms once I've done this last pass. Agree that any glaring issues should get picked up then, but I've been over all of the articles quite a few times now. - [[User:Adamstom.97|adamstom97]] ([[User talk:Adamstom.97|talk]]) 01:50, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
:*It's been nearly a year since the last activity on this talk page. Starting a regular conversation wouldn't have gone anywhere. That local consensus is not policy and has never been universally applied. In fact, [[Wanda Maximoff (Marvel Cinematic Universe)]] uses Wanda over Maximoff to refer to the character, and has so for over a year. <span style="color:green;">[[User:JDDJS|<span style="color:green;">JDDJS</span>]] ([[User talk:JDDJS|<span style="color:purple;">talk to me</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/JDDJS|<span style="color:purple;">see what I've done</span>]])</span> 16:55, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
::This is done now. I added a little bit more analysis info, but we are still at 72kb of readable prose so I think we can be happy with that. I'll be bold and nominate the articles now. Let me know if there are any concerns with this. - [[User:Adamstom.97|adamstom97]] ([[User talk:Adamstom.97|talk]]) 03:42, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
::*There are a handful of editors watching this article still, so presuming a regular discussion would not receive responses does not hold up. It is bad form to go against the local consensus at [[WP:MCU#Miscellaneous]]. The MCU character articles have not been as closely watched for following the local consensus of the MCU taskforce. {{Strikethrough|and that article refers to other characters such as Rogers and Stark by their surnames, so it should be consistent in that approach, as is the case with other MCU articles, and should follow this article's approach as an extension of that.}} [[User:Trailblazer101|Trailblazer101]] ([[User talk:Trailblazer101|talk]]) 17:36, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
:::Nope, fine with me! - [[User:Favre1fan93|Favre1fan93]] ([[User talk:Favre1fan93|talk]]) 14:41, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
::*No, no, no. The Wanda character article uses Wanda because Pietro has the same last name and is extensively discussed on that page. This is done in accordance with policy, and [[WP:MCU#Miscellaneous]] touches on that as well. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 18:16, 25 May 2023 (UTC)
*'''Wanda''' per [[MOS:SAMESURNAME]] and [[Wikipedia:WikiProject_Film/Marvel_Cinematic_Universe_task_force#Miscellaneous]], since Pietro Maximoff is also referenced on this page and because she is consistently called Wanda, almost never Maximoff, in-universe. I'm baffled by the argument above that the MCU Task Force consensus would support using her last name - she hits both the criteria that it says would require a first name (possible confusion with her brother, ''and'' her last name is rarely used in-universe, presumably for that same reason.) --[[User:Aquillion|Aquillion]] ([[User talk:Aquillion|talk]]) 18:44, 29 May 2023 (UTC)
*'''Comment''' – I think we should be more open to not ''always'' using last names. We can still have that general rule of using last names by default, but when it starts to become clear a character is primarily referred to by something other than their last name, we should treat it accordingly. It seems that Wanda is one of those characters, just as Ned and MJ from the ''Spider-Man'' trilogy are, for whom we've already implemented this. This, however, does ''not'' mean we should be checking whether each character has a common name other than their last name every time a new one appears, ''just'' that we should do it when it becomes obvious. Otherwise, it would be too much. —''[[User:Facu-el Millo|El Millo]]'' ([[User talk:Facu-el Millo|talk]]) 01:25, 30 May 2023 (UTC)
*:It might become troublesome if this list continues to grow... [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 22:00, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
*::How so? <span style="color:green;">[[User:JDDJS|<span style="color:green;">JDDJS</span>]] ([[User talk:JDDJS|<span style="color:purple;">talk to me</span>]] • [[Special:Contributions/JDDJS|<span style="color:purple;">see what I've done</span>]])</span> 17:06, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
*:::I mean, as more and more characters appear in the films, yes, the list will likely grow with time, but that's reasonable and expected. What we wouldn't want to happen is for wandering editors to just start creating RfCs left and right about any character they think "actually" has had their first name used 51 times and their last name "only" used 49 times. I think the consensus we established still prevents that from happening and this change from "Maximoff" to "Wanda" is still within that consensus. —''[[User:Facu-el Millo|El Millo]]'' ([[User talk:Facu-el Millo|talk]]) 17:36, 2 June 2023 (UTC)
*'''Wanda''' because she is not a real person and is much more frequently called "Wanda" rather than "Mazimoff". Also there's a bonus point for disambiguating with Pietro Mazimoff (aka Quicksilver). [[User:CactiStaccingCrane|CactiStaccingCrane]] ([[User talk:CactiStaccingCrane|talk]]) 10:16, 31 May 2023 (UTC)
*'''Wanda''', [[WP:COMMONNAME]]... [[User:Merko|Merko]] ([[User talk:Merko|talk]]) 18:29, 1 June 2023 (UTC)
*'''Wanda''', per previous comments, "Wanda" is more commonly used AND the character needs to be differentiated from her brother who has the same last name. [[User:JoseJan89|JoseJan89]] ([[User talk:JoseJan89|talk]]) 09:26, 6 June 2023 (UTC)
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== Awards split ==
== The Vision ==


In the info about Vision, it was written that Bettany plays an '''original version'''. Can you define the term original? I do not think it means created for the show since White Vision also appears in the comics. [[User:JEDIMASTER2008|JEDIMASTER2008]] ([[User talk:JEDIMASTER2008|talk]]) 03:44, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
Hey everyone, I've noticed that this article is quite lengthy (~73 kB prose size), putting it into the range where a [[WP:SPLIT|split]] might be warranted. I think the awards list in particular can be moved out; it currently takes up three and a half "screens" of height on my monitor, and I suspect there will be some end-of-year awards that expand the list further. (It's also worth noting that the prose size doesn't take tables into account, so the list makes the article even longer than it first appears.) Therefore, I am proposing a split of that section to [[List of awards and nominations received by WandaVision]]. Thoughts? [[User:RunningTiger123|RunningTiger123]] ([[User talk:RunningTiger123|talk]]) 03:09, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
:We state {{tq|the original character}} which refers to the character described in the first sentence of his description. - [[User:Favre1fan93|Favre1fan93]] ([[User talk:Favre1fan93|talk]]) 23:53, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
:I hadn't considered this when we started talking about trying to reduce the article size because it isn't yet at the size that I feel like other awards tables are when they get split off, and because it won't help with the readable prose size (it will actually increase it a little when we replace the table with a short prose summary). But, it would help with the general page size that is not reflected in the readable page size, and I agree that there will likely be more awards to add over the coming months, so I'm not against it. Interested to hear what others think. - [[User:Adamstom.97|adamstom97]] ([[User talk:Adamstom.97|talk]]) 04:54, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
::I do not get it [[User:JEDIMASTER2008|JEDIMASTER2008]] ([[User talk:JEDIMASTER2008|talk]]) 03:24, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
:{{u|RunningTiger123}}, wouldn't be opposed to it. I think the only major industry award left would be SAG + guilds it didn't qualify for during its initial run back in the beginning of the year, which'll happen January-ish. The page is definitely fairly long and the table would only help with actual length rather than prose size, but I'm not opposed. <span style="font-weight:bold;text-shadow:1px 1px 45px black">[[User:QueerFilmNerd|<span style="color:#e52929">QueerFilmNerd</span>]]<small><sup>[[User talk:QueerFilmNerd|<span style="color:#2863e5;">talk</span>]]</sup></small></span> 06:22, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
:::It is referring to the original version of the Vision, who died in ''Infinity War'' and has now been rebuilt as White Vision. [[User:InfiniteNexus|InfiniteNexus]] ([[User talk:InfiniteNexus|talk]]) 03:51, 9 June 2023 (UTC)
::The guild awards are exactly what I was thinking about – there are a few guilds that seem quite likely to nominate the show ([[Visual Effects Society|VFX]], [[Art Directors Guild|art direction]], [[Costume Designers Guild|costumes]], etc.). I also wouldn't be surprised if a few more popular awards come up, particularly the [[People's Choice Awards]]. [[User:RunningTiger123|RunningTiger123]] ([[User talk:RunningTiger123|talk]]) 16:03, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
:I have the same feelings as {{u|Adamstom.97}} that it will help with page length, but not actual prose size. {{u|Facu-el Millo}} as one of the editors working more on that table, what are your thoughts? - [[User:Favre1fan93|Favre1fan93]] ([[User talk:Favre1fan93|talk]]) 13:18, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
::I was going to say the table is not large enough for a split ''yet'', but checking both [[List of accolades received by Avengers: Endgame]] and [[List of accolades received by The Avengers (2012 film)]], they seem to be about as long as this table, so it would be fine to split it as it currently is. One correction is that it should be at [[List of accolades received by WandaVision]], to be consistent with the aforementioned lists and [[List of accolades received by Black Panther (film)]]. —''[[User:Facu-el Millo|El Millo]]'' ([[User talk:Facu-el Millo|talk]]) 17:09, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
:::I would argue it should be "awards and nominations" instead of "accolades"; the former seems to be the norm for TV shows, while the latter is used for films. [[User:RunningTiger123|RunningTiger123]] ([[User talk:RunningTiger123|talk]]) 19:34, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
::::But within the MCU set of articles, there should be consistency amongst the titles if possible, and in this case, it can be. - [[User:Favre1fan93|Favre1fan93]] ([[User talk:Favre1fan93|talk]]) 21:20, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
:::::I agree that we should be consistent with the other MCU articles, and this isn't the first time where we have walked the line a little bit in terms of following film vs. TV standards because of the way Marvel Studios made this like a long film. {{ping|Some Dude From North Carolina}} having just reviewed the article for GA, do you have any thoughts on us splitting out the awards table to its own list? - [[User:Adamstom.97|adamstom97]] ([[User talk:Adamstom.97|talk]]) 10:23, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
:::::: I would support a move since the article ''is'' a bit long. [[User:Some Dude From North Carolina|Some Dude From North Carolina]] ([[User talk:Some Dude From North Carolina|talk]]) 11:29, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
{{od|::::::}}There seems to be consensus for this split, so I have gone ahead and made the new list at [[List of accolades received by WandaVision]] based on the formatting for the other MCU accolades lists. - [[User:Adamstom.97|adamstom97]] ([[User talk:Adamstom.97|talk]]) 10:44, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
:Are there any awards that can be removed from the prose here and included in added "among others" text? I feel some are definitely more minor that aren't worth mentioning here while we now have the split article. - [[User:Favre1fan93|Favre1fan93]] ([[User talk:Favre1fan93|talk]]) 14:11, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
::We hadn't discussed that yet so I just put all of them in for now. I couldn't remember what criteria we used to determine that at other articles. - [[User:Adamstom.97|adamstom97]] ([[User talk:Adamstom.97|talk]]) 20:00, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
::For the prose, I think Emmys should be the main focus, since those are the biggest awards in American television. (That part will probably be easier to write once the Emmys happen.) Past that, it's probably a matter of consensus, but I would generally emphasize guilds/professional orgs (i.e., the DGA and IFTA awards) and critics' awards (Dorian, HCA, TCA) over others. Major popular awards (i.e., the MTV awards) probably also deserve a mention. [[User:RunningTiger123|RunningTiger123]] ([[User talk:RunningTiger123|talk]]) 20:15, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
:::Are we happy with this? {{tq|WandaVision was nominated for eight Primetime Emmy Awards and fifteen Primetime Creative Arts Emmy Awards, as well as one Directors Guild of America Award, seven Hollywood Critics Association TV Awards (winning two), one Irish Film & Television Award, six MTV Movie & TV Awards (winning four), and four TCA Awards, among others.}} - [[User:Adamstom.97|adamstom97]] ([[User talk:Adamstom.97|talk]]) 21:29, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
::::I think that's good for now. If it wins any Emmys, we can probably specify those later. [[User:RunningTiger123|RunningTiger123]] ([[User talk:RunningTiger123|talk]]) 22:02, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
:::::{{done}} - [[User:Adamstom.97|adamstom97]] ([[User talk:Adamstom.97|talk]]) 22:12, 2 September 2021 (UTC)


== Good Topic ==
== Edit War Prevention: Evan Peters role as Ralph Bohner vs "Pietro Maximoff" ==


The [[List of accolades received by WandaVision|accolades]] article is getting close to [[Wikipedia:Featured list candidates/List of accolades received by WandaVision/archive1|becoming a FL]], which should make WandaVision eligible to become a GT. The topic would include this article, the episodes, and the accolades for sure. Should that be all, or should any of these also be included?
{{Ping|Lashana Lynch}} There was a discussion about writing Evan Peters' role in the cast list (see [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:WandaVision/Archive_2#Name_of_Evan_Peeters'_character_isn't_%22Ralph_Bhoner%22 here]). For one thing, Ralph Bohner is an existing actual character in the Marvel Cinematic Universe world, hence the format of Peters' role in the cast list. The character's description already laid out him posing as "Pietro Maximoff" so no need to change Peters' main role into that and just keep Ralph Bohner as it is.


#[[Agatha All Along]]
To avoid an edit war, kindly refrain from making changes without discussing it here. Thank you for your understanding. [[User:Centcom08|Centcom08]] ([[User talk:Centcom08|talk]]) 22:58, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
#[[Marvel Cinematic Universe]]
#[[List of Marvel Cinematic Universe television series]]
#[[List of Marvel Cinematic Universe television series actors (Marvel Studios)]] (including this because I know the former films GT included the actors article)


I have the basics set up in my [[User:ZooBlazer/sandbox4|in my sandbox]] to prep for the nomination, not that I have to be the one to nominate since others were more involved overall with getting the articles to GA. The blurb, or whatever it's called, probably needs touched up since I just copied parts of the lead from this article for the most part, so anyone can feel free to edit that to clean it up. [[User:ZooBlazer|<span style="color:red">'''Zoo'''</span>]][[User talk:ZooBlazer|<span style="color:black">'''Blazer'''</span>]] 23:50, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
:{{Ping|Centcom08}} How do I discuss it here? The name Ralph Bohner was only used once, and he primarily portrayed him as "Pietro" under Agatha's control, really portraying Agatha speaking through him if anything. It makes more sense to say "Pietro Maximoff" up-top then mention his real name immediately below, the next sentence. [[User:Lashana Lynch|Lashana Lynch]] ([[User talk:Lashana Lynch|talk]]) 23:02, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
:Agatha All Along, yes. The MCU articles, no. There might be merit to having the Wanda and Vision character articles in this, but that's hard to say since they are franchise characters and not solely related to this series. - [[User:Favre1fan93|Favre1fan93]] ([[User talk:Favre1fan93|talk]]) 17:07, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
::To answer your question, kindly wait for other editors to respond to have a [[WP:CONSENSUS]]. Despite his name being only mentioned once, the writing of events in the fiction world (i.e. MCU world) remains that the actual character's existence is a resident of West View named Ralph Bohner. If the character returns in future installments then he will return as Ralph Bohner and not "Pietro Maximoff". Here are the sources that confirms Evan Peters' role is actually Ralph Bohner only posing as "Pietro Maximoff", which is already beautifully laid-out in the character description: [https://www.inverse.com/entertainment/wandavision-ralph-bohner-evan-peters-pietro 1], [https://www.menshealth.com/entertainment/a35739385/wandavision-ralph-bohner-pietro-explained/ 2]. [[User:Centcom08|Centcom08]] ([[User talk:Centcom08|talk]]) 23:17, 4 May 2022 (UTC)
::I was originally thinking the character articles may be needed, but I noticed GTs for things like the Supernatural seasons don't include their main characters even though they have wiki articles, but I'm not sure if seasons of a show is the same as a whole miniseries in the GT process. [[User:ZooBlazer|<span style="color:red">'''Zoo'''</span>]][[User talk:ZooBlazer|<span style="color:black">'''Blazer'''</span>]] 17:17, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
::It's too confusing to have his credits swapped around from every other Westview resident in the list. - [[User:Adamstom.97|adamstom97]] ([[User talk:Adamstom.97|talk]]) 09:23, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
:::My argument though say with your Supernatural example, their character articles apply to that series only. Wanda and Vision's apply to the entire MCU, not just their WandaVision appearances. So I'd lean towards we probably don't need to include them. - [[User:Favre1fan93|Favre1fan93]] ([[User talk:Favre1fan93|talk]]) 18:20, 10 November 2023 (UTC)
::::Makes sense to me. I think MCU characters would probably be best as the main articles of a GT/FT. Like Iron Man and Thor, who both have multiple movies, plus Iron Man has an article for his armor and Thor has one for his weapons. Vision may be good to save until after Vision Quest releases (obviously both articles would need to eventually be GAs) then include this article for a smaller GT. [[User:ZooBlazer|<span style="color:red">'''Zoo'''</span>]][[User talk:ZooBlazer|<span style="color:black">'''Blazer'''</span>]] 06:12, 11 November 2023 (UTC)
The awards are now a FL, so we can probably now go through the GT process. I know @[[User:Adamstom.97|adamstom97]] and @[[User:Favre1fan93|Favre1fan93]] were heavily involved in getting the articles to GAs, so you guys should have first choice of nominating or not. I'm willing to do it if neither of you want to. [[User:ZooBlazer|<span style="color:red">'''Zoo'''</span>]][[User talk:ZooBlazer|<span style="color:black">'''Blazer'''</span>]] 00:51, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
:Nominated. - [[User:Favre1fan93|Favre1fan93]] ([[User talk:Favre1fan93|talk]]) 18:05, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
::A reviewer will likely bring up the lack of an image. Since WandaVision images can't be used due to being non-free, [[:File:Elizabeth Olsen & Paul Bettany (48469160767).jpg]] is probably the best option, at least that I've come across. [[User:ZooBlazer|<span style="color:red">'''Zoo'''</span>]][[User talk:ZooBlazer|<span style="color:black">'''Blazer'''</span>]] 18:22, 4 December 2023 (UTC)
:::I don't necessarily know if images are needed. They can be helpful, but if it's an image for an image's sake, maybe not. But yes, that one is good to use if it is needed. - [[User:Favre1fan93|Favre1fan93]] ([[User talk:Favre1fan93|talk]]) 18:34, 4 December 2023 (UTC)

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Dick Van Dyke show details

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In the Writing §, under "Sitcom influences", it is claimed "... the first episode pays homage to The Dick Van Dyke Show, which ran from the late 1950s to the early 1960s, and was meant to have a general 1950s time period."

The source on this point is unreliable as to airdates, as the original pilot dates from 1960, while the show itself began airing in 1961.

The source, while incorrect about show run dates, does NOT claim that either The Dick Van Dyke Show or WandaVision is meant to represent the 1950s. To claim this is Original Research. Chaswmsday (talk) 00:47, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The first episode is set in the 50s, and the first two episodes were inspired by the Dick Van Dyke Show, so the content isn't entirely inaccurate, but it's already included elsewhere. —El Millo (talk) 03:24, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have updated the wording and source to hopefully address these concerns. - adamstom97 (talk) 03:32, 8 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

RFC about what to refer to Wanda Maximoff as

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Should Wanda Maximoff be referred to as Wanda or Mazimoff? JDDJS (talk to mesee what I've done) 14:50, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

  • Wanda For real people, policy is very clear to refer to them by their last name opposed to their first name in the majority of situations. However, that policy has never supposed to apply to fictional characters. Sure, we can use it when there isn't a clear common name, but that isn't the case here. The character is referred to as just Wanda all the time and is extremely referred to as just Maximoff. The name of the show is literally WandaVision. The WP:COMMONNAME is extremely clearly Wanda over Maximoff. There is simply no reason to keep referring to her as Maximoff instead. JDDJS (talk to mesee what I've done) 14:50, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Speedy close The RfC initiator has made zero attempts to discuss this matter beforehand, as mandated by WP:RFCBEFORE. Secondly, there is existing WP:LOCALCONSENSUS to use last names on MCU articles when referring to characters for consistency, as documented at WP:MCU#Miscellaneous. InfiniteNexus (talk) 15:55, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • There are a handful of editors watching this article still, so presuming a regular discussion would not receive responses does not hold up. It is bad form to go against the local consensus at WP:MCU#Miscellaneous. The MCU character articles have not been as closely watched for following the local consensus of the MCU taskforce. and that article refers to other characters such as Rogers and Stark by their surnames, so it should be consistent in that approach, as is the case with other MCU articles, and should follow this article's approach as an extension of that. Trailblazer101 (talk) 17:36, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • No, no, no. The Wanda character article uses Wanda because Pietro has the same last name and is extensively discussed on that page. This is done in accordance with policy, and WP:MCU#Miscellaneous touches on that as well. InfiniteNexus (talk) 18:16, 25 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wanda per MOS:SAMESURNAME and Wikipedia:WikiProject_Film/Marvel_Cinematic_Universe_task_force#Miscellaneous, since Pietro Maximoff is also referenced on this page and because she is consistently called Wanda, almost never Maximoff, in-universe. I'm baffled by the argument above that the MCU Task Force consensus would support using her last name - she hits both the criteria that it says would require a first name (possible confusion with her brother, and her last name is rarely used in-universe, presumably for that same reason.) --Aquillion (talk) 18:44, 29 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment – I think we should be more open to not always using last names. We can still have that general rule of using last names by default, but when it starts to become clear a character is primarily referred to by something other than their last name, we should treat it accordingly. It seems that Wanda is one of those characters, just as Ned and MJ from the Spider-Man trilogy are, for whom we've already implemented this. This, however, does not mean we should be checking whether each character has a common name other than their last name every time a new one appears, just that we should do it when it becomes obvious. Otherwise, it would be too much. —El Millo (talk) 01:25, 30 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    It might become troublesome if this list continues to grow... InfiniteNexus (talk) 22:00, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    How so? JDDJS (talk to mesee what I've done) 17:06, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I mean, as more and more characters appear in the films, yes, the list will likely grow with time, but that's reasonable and expected. What we wouldn't want to happen is for wandering editors to just start creating RfCs left and right about any character they think "actually" has had their first name used 51 times and their last name "only" used 49 times. I think the consensus we established still prevents that from happening and this change from "Maximoff" to "Wanda" is still within that consensus. —El Millo (talk) 17:36, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wanda because she is not a real person and is much more frequently called "Wanda" rather than "Mazimoff". Also there's a bonus point for disambiguating with Pietro Mazimoff (aka Quicksilver). CactiStaccingCrane (talk) 10:16, 31 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wanda, WP:COMMONNAME... Merko (talk) 18:29, 1 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Wanda, per previous comments, "Wanda" is more commonly used AND the character needs to be differentiated from her brother who has the same last name. JoseJan89 (talk) 09:26, 6 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
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The Vision

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In the info about Vision, it was written that Bettany plays an original version. Can you define the term original? I do not think it means created for the show since White Vision also appears in the comics. JEDIMASTER2008 (talk) 03:44, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

We state the original character which refers to the character described in the first sentence of his description. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 23:53, 7 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I do not get it JEDIMASTER2008 (talk) 03:24, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
It is referring to the original version of the Vision, who died in Infinity War and has now been rebuilt as White Vision. InfiniteNexus (talk) 03:51, 9 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Good Topic

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The accolades article is getting close to becoming a FL, which should make WandaVision eligible to become a GT. The topic would include this article, the episodes, and the accolades for sure. Should that be all, or should any of these also be included?

  1. Agatha All Along
  2. Marvel Cinematic Universe
  3. List of Marvel Cinematic Universe television series
  4. List of Marvel Cinematic Universe television series actors (Marvel Studios) (including this because I know the former films GT included the actors article)

I have the basics set up in my in my sandbox to prep for the nomination, not that I have to be the one to nominate since others were more involved overall with getting the articles to GA. The blurb, or whatever it's called, probably needs touched up since I just copied parts of the lead from this article for the most part, so anyone can feel free to edit that to clean it up. ZooBlazer 23:50, 9 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Agatha All Along, yes. The MCU articles, no. There might be merit to having the Wanda and Vision character articles in this, but that's hard to say since they are franchise characters and not solely related to this series. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 17:07, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I was originally thinking the character articles may be needed, but I noticed GTs for things like the Supernatural seasons don't include their main characters even though they have wiki articles, but I'm not sure if seasons of a show is the same as a whole miniseries in the GT process. ZooBlazer 17:17, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
My argument though say with your Supernatural example, their character articles apply to that series only. Wanda and Vision's apply to the entire MCU, not just their WandaVision appearances. So I'd lean towards we probably don't need to include them. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:20, 10 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Makes sense to me. I think MCU characters would probably be best as the main articles of a GT/FT. Like Iron Man and Thor, who both have multiple movies, plus Iron Man has an article for his armor and Thor has one for his weapons. Vision may be good to save until after Vision Quest releases (obviously both articles would need to eventually be GAs) then include this article for a smaller GT. ZooBlazer 06:12, 11 November 2023 (UTC)[reply]

The awards are now a FL, so we can probably now go through the GT process. I know @adamstom97 and @Favre1fan93 were heavily involved in getting the articles to GAs, so you guys should have first choice of nominating or not. I'm willing to do it if neither of you want to. ZooBlazer 00:51, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Nominated. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:05, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
A reviewer will likely bring up the lack of an image. Since WandaVision images can't be used due to being non-free, File:Elizabeth Olsen & Paul Bettany (48469160767).jpg is probably the best option, at least that I've come across. ZooBlazer 18:22, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't necessarily know if images are needed. They can be helpful, but if it's an image for an image's sake, maybe not. But yes, that one is good to use if it is needed. - Favre1fan93 (talk) 18:34, 4 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]